2024-03-23 22:42:07

eagalon you're a carbon copy of religious teachers in Iran who're brainwashing children as young as 7. I can't believe your words  are exactly the same LMAO.

Imagine if your kids had to go to school to  listen to  his bullshit every day.
What's funny is that these people actually have not read the Quran before. For them death to America is more important than reading what the book actually says. You can't tell me that you've read Surah Al-Baqarah and have not realized what it's telling you to do with women.

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2024-03-24 01:57:11

Yeah, it isn't just the wives I'm concerned about, it's the women in general and the way they're treated, especially the lower status they are.

@98: Good on your parents, we need more people like that in general who aren't too proud to acknowledge when they're wrong and apologize.

2024-03-24 03:00:41

The majority of people from where I live are muslim, but thankfully I never seen men beating women in real life. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some country's that normalized those kind of acts and use that verse as an excuse sad

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2024-03-24 18:28:39

@97, if men go too far, and I agree with your statement that they would be tempted to, it's not the Quran's fault, but theirs. The Quran forbids the act if she obays, and if she doesn't, then the Quran encourages other muslims to reconcile between them, and if that doesn't work, devorcement is the absolute last resort when the first last resort fails. (lol weird wording, I know)
@muhammad Hajjar, I'm not against entertainment, but the things they are doing by excuse of entertainment, like freely allowing couples and the like, which is forbidden by the Quran. Not saying the other countries don't have them, oh they do and it's all the western media's plans and our squared heads that are causing this, making us follow them in everything that's against us and not doing so in what matters. We're buying their things and giving them control over us, yet we haven't attempted to develop like they are doing, until recently, and only with some countries, Saudi Arabia being one of them.
@hadi.gsf, please, please don't treat what they are doing like they are truely following Islam, they are a bunch of extremists. So don't go "religion of peace, everyone" like it's what Islam itself decrees, because it's not, and what you're doing is insulting to muslims. We aren't bloodthirsty warmongerers who violate women and excecute random people on the streets or whatever the extremists are doing, because they are ruining the reputation of Islam.
Also, Kenshira, the one about women in the Quran, it's not about being lower-class or whatever, but because of the views of the arabs at that time. They hated them and barried them alive or treated them as slaves, then Islam came and improved their standing. I don't know what you think, but women have rights in Islam. Islam isn't about just equality, but justice. Equality can be justice in certain situations, but they have different definitions.
We know equality as everyone having equal rights, and we know justice as giving everyone what they deserve.
If you're referring to how the Quran states that women inherrit half of what men do, then that's because men spend a lot more than women, spending the money on caring for them and for children and such. On the other hand, the husband is obliged to spend from his own money on this if the wife doesn't want to share her own, because she has the right to spend her own money how she likes, within the bounds of ethics of course. So even if she's wealthier than him, if she doesn't want to share then he must spend his own without objection.
I'm not very knowledgeable of the deeper depths of my religion, so I am stating what I understand. Someone more knowledgeable is more qualified than me in those aspects. I might not understand the full picture so my knowledge is limited. I'm sorry for what you have gone through @kenshira, and this is bad by any ethical standard. My parents do hit us, but only if we do something extremely bad and they had told us not to do that thing beforehand. Otherwise, they are perfectly fine, and they don't get into fights with each other, so no verbal insults, much less beatings, are involved.

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2024-03-24 18:52:40

@104:

Now that makes me want to get someone else from a different sect for want of a better word of Islam to explain the differences from their point of view however

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2024-03-24 18:57:24

As I said, I am not the best tool in the shed when it comes to this. I am not saying that this is exactly what the situation is, but rather my own understanding and what I have been tought and what I accepted as truth after thinking about it. So by all means, take more perspectives into consideration.

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2024-03-24 19:28:14

That's what I want to do since I keep seeing oh country X and Y have different stances on versions or parts of Islam, and then you got country Z has a much more hardline versionn of Islam, sort of comments. I wish I could remember the one Pakistan uses since that keeps coming up in terms of a very hard line version of the religion however, so yes I am after more perspectives

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2024-03-24 19:44:30

As I demonstrated before, and I'll put it in plane english here, I don't care that the beating of wives and women in general is an absolute  last resort, I care that its even an option at all. Were it so that prophet Mohamad did not grant such liberty for men to beat their wives, even lightly, or that he gave his nephew permission to veat his revelious women in the name of Allah, I would have less to object to.

The status of women I was referring to previously was in regards to whether they were considered slave or free. From the source I sited on the previous page of this thread, it always seemed like slabe women were often being punched and strangled. Slavery in general is a whole other objectionable can of worms I don't want to open right now, but even without factoring that, its still the violence against women that bothers me.

2024-03-24 20:08:06

E-t-i-eloquence wrote:

@muhammad Hajjar, I'm not against entertainment, but the things they are doing by excuse of entertainment, like freely allowing couples and the like, which is forbidden by the Quran.

I don't get it, what do you mean by that?

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2024-03-24 23:40:37

According to the source of my information, which I again emphacize you not hold it against me, those so-called entertainment parties have a lot of couples and stuff that are against our religion, where wine and music that insults God are fair game. According to those sources, they hosted a singer called Iggy Azalea, who did a song insulting God clearly and without being hidden. Here are the lyrics.
Lord, lemme know if you got thisPreaching about prophetsIt ain't no one man can stop usBow down to a Goddess, bow down to a Goddess, bow down to a GoddessIt ain't no one man can stop usBow down to a GoddessGoddess! Got it?
Bow downBow downBow downBow downBow downBow downBow downBow down.
What is this then?
Also, according to the sources, the government would put you in jale if you so much as mention Palestine or pray to Ghazza out loud. Is this true or is it fantasy? I've also listened to a video from an Algerian, who said he had been put under investigation for hours just for praying out loud for the people of Palestine. Is this also false? I don't want to know anything but the truth, and may God punnish those in the wrong, whether it be the government of the country you live in, or everyone else who opposes them..

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2024-03-25 18:12:57 (edited by Muhammad Hajjar 2024-03-25 19:24:35)

@110 absolute rumors. Everyone here prays for Palestine, including imams in Friday sermons on pulpits, and no one has even been asked why they do it. You see? I don't know where you get your information from, probably Whatsapp lol

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2024-03-27 12:55:25 (edited by eagalon 2024-03-27 13:30:29)

hadi.gsf wrote:

eagalon you're a carbon copy of religious teachers in Iran who're brainwashing children as young as 7. I can't believe your words  are exactly the same LMAO.

Imagine if your kids had to go to school to  listen to  his bullshit every day.
What's funny is that these people actually have not read the Quran before. For them death to America is more important than reading what the book actually says. You can't tell me that you've read Surah Al-Baqarah and have not realized what it's telling you to do with women.

Its interesting to know that. I might be mistaken  however, I must assure you that I have never been to any Iranian school nor have I been taught by any of those people. What I have said is based on what I have gathered from my own findings.

As for the reference to Surah Baqrah, you are not the only one to throw dirt on such things, I suggest you try to do some self research before making such absurd claims, just to help you I did a google search, and found this very helpful explaination. If all that is written here doesn't convince you, then I don't know what will.
Also,  Tell me if I am wrong but wasnt it the United states which  created and funded the mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight against the USSR, the ones which later became Talibaan? there are also plain evidences which state that Alqaida was also created by the US. There is also on record the fact where Donald Trump said that in the creation of ISIS, Obama administration was also responsible. the fact that these extremist organizations only work for the benefit of the US and its allies is quite interesting, why havent they attacked the interests of the US and Israel, not even in the perefery. why have they only attacked  the innocent muslims and only muslim countries? as I said that I might be wrong but tell me with proofs if I am.
@Muhammad Hajjar: I was wondering why were you so much aggressive towards me, now that I have learned that you are from Saudi Arabia then it makes sense that you were offended by my remarks I made.
which I must clarify that it was not my intention. as for whether Saudi Arabia is a secular  country or not, anyone reading this can search for themselves about Wahabism and whether saudi arabia promotes the faith or not.
Just to sum it up, its the most radicalised form of Islam, where many of the people of the different sects of Islam are considered Kafirs(akin to paigans) are not even allowed to practice their beliefs. If I am wrong then can you tell me why did your kings of old destroyed the holy sights in Madina and its surroundings? why are not Shiaites allowed to even practice their beliefs in the open?  I can say a lot on this but I think that anyone reading this should get the picture. ?
If you still think that I am wrong about the financial control of the western countries, tell me wasnt it saudi arabia which paved the way for the petro-dollar , I suggest reading the history of that and how did the USD became the world's trading currency.
You are also quite mistaken when you state that it was secularism  which made those countries prosper,  where in fact it was quite contrary to that. it was their industrial might which made them prosper. I suggest you read up on history before you make such claims. I understand that you are heavily influenced with the western culture but I advise you to check your facts. and do not be insulted, that's my honest advice.

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People discard the concept of God by saying that God is the creation of man and according to science no God exists however, they conveniently forget that science itself is the creation and knowledge that man possesses, not the knowledge of everything in existance.

2024-03-27 13:20:57 (edited by eagalon 2024-03-27 15:13:12)

@KenshiraTheTrinity:
I am sorry to know that you were that much abused when you were children. In my family, I have never been slapped much yet touched in a harsh manner ever by my family. same is the case for my siblings. as for the verse you quoted, the part where it says light beating, in the explaination of that verse, Holy Prophet said that "the light beating" should be light enough not to even leave a mark. which means not even a reddening of the skin.
The reason I decided not to continue that dialog was because I considered this a light hearted place and not a place to discuss this sort of heavy topics, because eventually this kind of discussion leads to much  more harsh and harsher stances and similar language, which may spoil the overall atmosphere of the platform. However, allow me to answer the remark about Quran:9. before I give you a perspective, let me share the fact that Muslims believe in all of the Abrahamic texts, which include Torah (revealed to Prophet Moses) Zaboor (revealed to Prophet David), Injeel also known as Gospal, (revealed to Prophet Esa or Jesus) and Quran (revealed to Prophet Muhammad) peace be upon all of them. therefore, many of Quranic teachings are similar to the ones sent down by the Almighty in the previously revealed books.
Now, after reading your reference to read Quran:9, I decided to do a comparative study between Quran and the Bible and I found this very helpful page which nicely sums it up :

100 Bible Verses aboutKilling Non Believers
2 Chronicles 15:12-13 ESV / 4,576 helpful votes
And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.
Luke 19:27 ESV / 4,311 helpful votes
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”
2 Corinthians 6:14 ESV / 3,998 helpful votes
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
John 3:16 ESV / 3,967 helpful votes
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Deuteronomy 17:1-20 ESV / 3,840 helpful votes
“You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep in which is a blemish, any defect whatever, for that is an abomination to the Lord your God. “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. ...
Leviticus 20:10 ESV / 3,703 helpful votes
“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 3,697 helpful votes
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Exodus 22:19 ESV / 3,645 helpful votes
“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death.
Leviticus 20:27 ESV / 3,611 helpful votes
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”
Exodus 20:13 ESV / 3,576 helpful votes
“You shall not murder.
Revelation 21:8 ESV / 3,427 helpful votes
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
1 Corinthians 15:33 ESV / 3,364 helpful votes
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”
Revelation 1:1 ESV / 3,332 helpful votes
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV / 3,230 helpful votes
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV / 3,182 helpful votes
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ESV / 3,154 helpful votes
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
Leviticus 21:9 ESV / 3,115 helpful votes
And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
Deuteronomy 17:12 ESV / 3,025 helpful votes
The man who acts presumptuously by not obeying the priest who stands to minister there before the Lord your God, or the judge, that man shall die. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.
John 9:30-33 ESV / 2,975 helpful votes
The man answered, “Why, this is an amazing thing! You do not know where he comes from, and yet he opened my eyes. We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him. Never since the world began has it been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a man born blind. If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.”
Deuteronomy 13:13-18 ESV / 2,971 helpful votes
That certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently. And behold, if it be true and certain that such an abomination has been done among you, you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword. You shall gather all its spoil into the midst of its open square and burn the city and all its spoil with fire, as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. It shall be a heap forever. It shall not be built again. None of the devoted things shall stick to your hand, that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his anger and show you mercy and have compassion on you and multiply you, as he swore to your fathers, ...
1 Corinthians 7:13-14 ESV / 2,937 helpful votes
If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
Psalm 14:1 ESV / 2,928 helpful votes
To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good.
Exodus 22:17 ESV / 2,902 helpful votes
If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride-price for virgins.
2 John 1:9-11 ESV / 2,899 helpful votes
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Proverbs 3:5-7 ESV / 2,894 helpful votes
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
1 Corinthians 7:12-16:24 ESV / 2,889 helpful votes
To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace. For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife? ...
Deuteronomy 13:7-12 ESV / 2,749 helpful votes
Some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. And all Israel shall hear and fear and never again do any such wickedness as this among you. ...
Psalm 23:1-6 ESV / 2,702 helpful votes
A Psalm of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. ...
Luke 1:37 ESV / 2,696 helpful votes
For nothing will be impossible with God.”
Jeremiah 48:10 ESV / 2,683 helpful votes
“Cursed is he who does the work of the Lord with slackness, and cursed is he who keeps back his sword from bloodshed.
Deuteronomy 17:2-5 ESV / 2,675 helpful votes
“If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones.
Exodus 23:7 ESV / 2,646 helpful votes
Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.
Luke 19:11-27 ESV / 2,570 helpful votes
As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’ When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business. ...
John 3:16-17 ESV / 2,487 helpful votes
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
John 3:17 ESV / 2,412 helpful votes
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV / 2,407 helpful votes
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
1 Timothy 2:4 ESV / 2,402 helpful votes
Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Romans 13:4 ESV / 2,344 helpful votes
For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
John 3:18 ESV / 2,323 helpful votes
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Revelation 20:10 ESV / 2,307 helpful votes
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 1:1-20 ESV / 2,276 helpful votes
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood ...
Romans 13:9 ESV / 2,260 helpful votes
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Esther 5:1-14 ESV / 2,257 helpful votes
On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king's palace, in front of the king's quarters, while the king was sitting on his royal throne inside the throne room opposite the entrance to the palace. And when the king saw Queen Esther standing in the court, she won favor in his sight, and he held out to Esther the golden scepter that was in his hand. Then Esther approached and touched the tip of the scepter. And the king said to her, “What is it, Queen Esther? What is your request? It shall be given you, even to the half of my kingdom.” And Esther said, “If it please the king, let the king and Haman come today to a feast that I have prepared for the king.” Then the king said, “Bring Haman quickly, so that we may do as Esther has asked.” So the king and Haman came to the feast that Esther had prepared. ...
Isaiah 3:1-26 ESV / 2,210 helpful votes
For behold, the Lord God of hosts is taking away from Jerusalem and from Judah support and supply, all support of bread, and all support of water; the mighty man and the soldier, the judge and the prophet, the diviner and the elder, the captain of fifty and the man of rank, the counselor and the skillful magician and the expert in charms. And I will make boys their princes, and infants shall rule over them. And the people will oppress one another, every one his fellow and every one his neighbor; the youth will be insolent to the elder, and the despised to the honorable. ...
Deuteronomy 13:6-10 ESV / 2,195 helpful votes
“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
Romans 13:8-10 ESV / 2,186 helpful votes
Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Exodus 21:15 ESV / 2,171 helpful votes
“Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.
1 Samuel 15:2-3 ESV / 2,158 helpful votes
Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
John 8:24 ESV / 2,154 helpful votes
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
Deuteronomy 13:6 ESV / 2,147 helpful votes
“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known,
Hebrews 3:12 ESV / 2,129 helpful votes
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.
Zechariah 13:3 ESV / 2,123 helpful votes
And if anyone again prophesies, his father and mother who bore him will say to him, ‘You shall not live, for you speak lies in the name of the Lord.’ And his father and mother who bore him shall pierce him through when he prophesies.
Romans 12:2 ESV / 2,121 helpful votes
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
2 Corinthians 6:14-15 ESV / 2,115 helpful votes
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 ESV / 2,108 helpful votes
But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father's house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Romans 1:24-32 ESV / 2,101 helpful votes
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. ...
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ESV / 2,101 helpful votes
But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.
Matthew 10:34 ESV / 2,089 helpful votes
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Proverbs 20:20 ESV / 2,086 helpful votes
If one curses his father or his mother, his lamp will be put out in utter darkness.
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 ESV / 2,077 helpful votes
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,
Leviticus 20:9 ESV / 2,051 helpful votes
For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.
Colossians 2:1-23 ESV / 2,047 helpful votes
For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments. For though I am absent in body, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ. ...
Psalm 49:10 ESV / 2,016 helpful votes
For he sees that even the wise die; the fool and the stupid alike must perish and leave their wealth to others.
John 3:1-36 ESV / 2,015 helpful votes
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ...
Jeremiah 29:11 ESV / 2,010 helpful votes
For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.
1 Peter 3:1 ESV / 1,988 helpful votes
Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives,
Exodus 31:12-15 ESV / 1,973 helpful votes
And the Lord said to Moses, “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.
2 Timothy 3:16 ESV / 1,944 helpful votes
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Colossians 4:5-6 ESV / 1,934 helpful votes
Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
Genesis 9:5-6 ESV / 1,933 helpful votes
And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man. “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
Romans 1:16 ESV / 1,894 helpful votes
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
2 Chronicles 15:13 ESV / 1,886 helpful votes
But that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.
1 Corinthians 5:11 ESV / 1,649 helpful votes
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
James 4:2 ESV / 1,608 helpful votes
You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask.
Matthew 2:1-23 ESV / 1,606 helpful votes
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. They told him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet: ...
1 Corinthians 7:39 ESV / 1,598 helpful votes
A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
Matthew 4:1-25 ESV / 1,553 helpful votes
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. And the tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple ...
Ephesians 3:9 ESV / 1,547 helpful votes
And to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God, who created all things,
Matthew 5:17-18 ESV / 1,504 helpful votes
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Micah 6:8 ESV / 1,487 helpful votes
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Deuteronomy 17:2 ESV / 1,461 helpful votes
“If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant,
2 John 1:7 ESV / 1,429 helpful votes
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Luke 19:11 ESV / 1,424 helpful votes
As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately.
Deuteronomy 13:5 ESV / 1,416 helpful votes
But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
James 4:4 ESV / 1,410 helpful votes
You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ESV / 1,401 helpful votes
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
Exodus 22:20 ESV / 1,380 helpful votes
“Whoever sacrifices to any god, other than the Lord alone, shall be devoted to destruction.
Revelation 1:2 ESV / 1,323 helpful votes
Who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
1 John 2:22 ESV / 1,293 helpful votes
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
Romans 12:1 ESV / 1,289 helpful votes
I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.
John 5:24 ESV / 1,280 helpful votes
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Ezekiel 35:7-9 ESV / 1,062 helpful votes
I will make Mount Seir a waste and a desolation, and I will cut off from it all who come and go. And I will fill its mountains with the slain. On your hills and in your valleys and in all your ravines those slain with the sword shall fall. I will make you a perpetual desolation, and your cities shall not be inhabited. Then you will know that I am the Lord.
Acts 5:1-11 ESV / 1,017 helpful votes
But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. ...
1 Peter 3:15 ESV / 1,006 helpful votes
But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
Esther 3:1-15 ESV / 984 helpful votes
After these things King Ahasuerus promoted Haman the Agagite, the son of Hammedatha, and advanced him and set his throne above all the officials who were with him. And all the king's servants who were at the king's gate bowed down and paid homage to Haman, for the king had so commanded concerning him. But Mordecai did not bow down or pay homage. Then the king's servants who were at the king's gate said to Mordecai, “Why do you transgress the king's command?” And when they spoke to him day after day and he would not listen to them, they told Haman, in order to see whether Mordecai's words would stand, for he had told them that he was a Jew. And when Haman saw that Mordecai did not bow down or pay homage to him, Haman was filled with fury. ...
John 3:2 ESV / 950 helpful votes
This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.”
Luke 19:2 ESV / 844 helpful votes
And behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus. He was a chief tax collector and was rich.
Matthew 7:1 ESV / 747 helpful votes
“Judge not, that you be not judged.
John 3:1 ESV / 729 helpful votes
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 Corinthians 6:1 ESV / 619 helpful votes
Working together with him, then, we appeal to you not to
receive the grace of God in vain.

I found this   here.
So, I don't know what is wrong with Quran:9 which is not in the bible as well. heck, bible goes even far beyond what is said in Quran:9

Also, Prophet Muhammad PBUH was the only child of his parents, so, not sure which nephew are you refering to.
one more thing: There are mainly two versions of Islam, first is the one that was promoted by almost all the governments and dynesties which captured the government of Madina after the departure of the Holy Prophet PBUH, and the second version is the one preached by the Household of the Prophet Mohammad PBUH. the second version of Islam was heavily suppressed and was never allowed to be propogated by the ones in charge of the government. these are the two main versions of Islam that exist today, the rest are the further variations of these two, more so for the first than the latter.

best regards,

People discard the concept of God by saying that God is the creation of man and according to science no God exists however, they conveniently forget that science itself is the creation and knowledge that man possesses, not the knowledge of everything in existance.

2024-03-27 14:03:55 (edited by eagalon 2024-03-27 14:18:26)

JaceK wrote:

That's what I want to do since I keep seeing oh country X and Y have different stances on versions or parts of Islam, and then you got country Z has a much more hardline versionn of Islam, sort of comments. I wish I could remember the one Pakistan uses since that keeps coming up in terms of a very hard line version of the religion however, so yes I am after more perspectives

In pakistan, there are a lot of different sects of Islam present. The hard-lined sect is as I mentioned wahabism, they consider saudi arabia to be the source of their impressions of their version  of Islam. however, they are less than 3 percent of the total population.
I do not know the specific percentages but the majority are barailwis, ahl-e-hadees, Shiites and so on. there are a lot of non-muslims living here as well.
And yes, I am from Pakistan.

People discard the concept of God by saying that God is the creation of man and according to science no God exists however, they conveniently forget that science itself is the creation and knowledge that man possesses, not the knowledge of everything in existance.

2024-03-27 19:36:11

@112 so why do we find secular  countries successful and advanced in all areas of life, starting with the industry you mentioned which you call industrial might and other areas adopting a secular constitution, while non-secular countries suffer from ignorance and backwardness in most if not all areas? Even Saudi Arabia which you mentioned as following the Wahhabi approach, and fyi this is true and I won't deny it, but that was its approach in the past, and since that's being converted to secularism, Saudi Arabia began to flourish more than ever and compete with the countries of the world. Heck, I started to see Saudi doctors and many as consultants even commonly, unlike the days of the dominance of Wahhabi thought and oppressive religious authority. Isn't this clear evidence that secularism is one of the biggest secrets of success? So what do you call this? Coincidence?

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2024-03-27 20:59:58

@115: If secularism  was the key to success, then why is the US overwhelmingly  trying to vote Trump in office despite all odds? why is Russia returning to orthodoxy, why has turkey elected a very conservative president in a row?
The major reason in my view, why Saudi Arabia is trying to convert to UAE's economic model is because the oil reserves are depleting, Saudi Arabia doesn't have anything else to offer but the tourism industry. the very reason why UAE used that model. there are no exports, no other native industry so converting to secularism is the only valid approach to take given the fact that most of the west is trying to move away from fossil fuels and towards green energy which will drastically reduce the demand for the crude oil, the commodity Saudi economy mainly depends upon. UAE converted to that model because they didn't have any other choice, like the rest of the middle east UAE didn't have huge oil reserves thus conversion to secular form of government was the only way to attract foreign investment. same is the case for Saudi Arabia.
FYI, before UAE, Lebanon used to be the center of commerce  and similar activities  like Dubai is now and Saudi Arabia is trying to become. As for the Western countries, they were prosperous far before they became secular. Did you know that Great Britian allowed women to vote in 1920? when it had been a world power for more than a hundred years? I can site a lot of other similar examples but I believe that I have made my point. If you are intrested then you can do your own research.

People discard the concept of God by saying that God is the creation of man and according to science no God exists however, they conveniently forget that science itself is the creation and knowledge that man possesses, not the knowledge of everything in existance.

2024-03-28 10:01:12

Hi,
Oh I was late here again,
so @eagalon, I wanna ask you some questions and be glad if you answer.
tell me on what  bases do muslim extremist groups stoan, behead, lash people and get non muslim for example yazidis girls as slaves? because they say that they are doing these according to Quran and sunna of the prophet Muhammad. do they have another version of quran and sunnah than me and you?
and you said that secularism is not a way to success, ok! suppose I except you, now, what is your alternative for replacing secular governments with? I think you think that Islam has every thing and all answers for people until the end of time! now, tell me your alternative way of governing according to your islamic beliefs?

All the best,
Adel, Akbari.