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muhammad chafid · 2024-03-17 06:05:17

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@48 I think you are going a little bit too far, man. Let him call himself whatever he wants. I get it, he's believe is only to the testament of truth instead of the quran and the hadith like how a muslim should be. And you, as a muslim aren't okay with it. Personally that's not my biggest issue with the guy, my biggest issue is this. This is from another topic:

Death before dishonour is the only way and no I don't mean that we should just dye, I mean it's better to take what ever comes to you if you cannot dissuade your trespassers from harming you in a peaceful way or you cannot escape from the situation you find yourself in.

That's basically the same think to just take it and dye, right?
and the fact that he believe to not retaliate, even when you and your loved one's lives are being threaten is kind of alarming because he could potentially be a danger to others even if he didn't mean to.
but in the end, its his opinion. We can only hope he didn't do it in real life when he's being threaten. And him calling himself a muslim doesn't harm you in any way

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Adel-Akbari · 2024-03-17 06:35:23

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Hi.
in response to Eagalon.
you said in post 48:
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punishments are prescribed in order to discourage others from doing the same thing. you asked who are we to punish an adulterous woman, my answer is that its Allah's will to punish them, so that the rest will nott follow the same footsteps. Allah AZJ, Whom you yourself have accept as the absolute authority.
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so my question is, what is your opinion about the nature of stoning itself? is it OK to stoan some people who according to your beliefs did some specific sins?

All the best,
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Adel-Akbari · 2024-03-17 07:41:31

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and another question for Eagalon:
do you justify stoning as a method of punishment for we humans?

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Muhammad Hajjar · 2024-03-18 11:11:03

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The wind whispers and crickets chirp. It's silence.

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Farhad Ali Bhatti · 2024-03-18 15:08:01

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eagalon · 2024-03-18 17:53:51

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@51:

8. You are free to believe in what ever you want, but do not try to pose it as something its not. No matter which definition of a Muslim you seek, if you don't believe in Quran and the Prophethood of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) you will never be a muslim. you asked what else you are then, well, I can't answer that question for you, perhaps you can call yourself anything else you want, but if you want to call yourself a Muslim, then you will have to submit to Allah's Will, that is revealed in the Holy Quran.

that's the crux of my argument, my point is that being Muslim is not related to one's origin, instead its related to one's belief system.
@52 and 53: I never said that stoning is right, if you check my post again, this is what I said:

4. why sins are punished with physical punishments directly invalidates your argument, because according to yourself, there is no salvation until all the sins are removed from one's person. punishments are prescribed in order to discourage others from doing the same thing. you asked who are we to punish an adulterous woman, my answer is that its Allah's will to punish them, so that the rest will nott follow the same footsteps. Allah AZJ, Whom you yourself have accept as the absolute authority.

and this was in response to his claims that he made. Just a heads up, there is the direct quote from an article regarding corpral punishments:

Corporal punishment. For certain crimes, such as theft, blasphemy, and adultery, traditional interpretations of Islamic law prescribe punishments that are considered draconian compared to those in most modern legal systems. Among them are the hudud punishments, which include stoning, lashing, and amputation. (The Quran never mentions stoning, which is a punishment derived from the Book of Deuteronomy in both the Hebrew and Christian Bibles.) However, applying such punishments requires meeting extensive evidentiary thresholds, so scholars say they are largely meant to serve as a deterrent rather than have a punitive effect through application.

Here is the full article on the sharya law. do remember that its not everything regarding sharya law.
As for what I believe in, I believe in what's written in Quran and correct Traditions of the Holy Prophet PBUH.

Hope it answered your questions.

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bashue · 2024-03-18 18:22:29

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Then there really is no way I can ever be one of you. Punishing another for any reason instead of Allah SWT punishing directly without our intervention, that is something I can ever condone or believe to be right. My mentor is right, no religion is good, not even ones that are mostly good and positive because not only is it permitted for a human to punish another but it's a requirement. I am going to read about the sharia law and either update this post if nobody posts after me or make a new one if someone has anything to say before I finish reading and pasting the relevant articles. One will be from the site you referenced above and the other will be from my brother.

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eagalon · 2024-03-18 18:42:09

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@57: You are free to believe in what ever you wish. But to give you a simple example, if you live in a country and call yourself its citizen, then you are bound to abide by its laws. and you will have rewards and punishments based on what ever the laws make them to be. Don't want to believe in Quran, then you can't call yourself a Muslim, want to be a Muslim, then you will have to abide by the Quranic commandments. same as if you wish to live in the United States, and want to become its citizen, then you will have to abide by the laws of the United States, and which ever state you wish to reside in. Its that simple, no rocket science in that.

People discard the concept of God by saying that God is the creation of man and according to science no God exists however, they conveniently forget that science itself is the creation and knowledge that man possesses, not the knowledge of everything in existance.

eagalon · 2024-03-18 19:07:29

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now, I don't disagree with the stance that forgiveness is the best form of action, and that's what Quran states as well, however, at the same time, people have the right to defend themselves, violence should never be the first choice but if someone is completely without the claws or fangs so to speak, then they are doomed to suffer at the hands of others. self defence is the divine right given to humans by Allah AZJ. secondly, the major difference is in the defenitions of Sin, Islam states that Sin is the displeasure of Allah AZJ, where as you claim it to be a form of negative energy. Allah AZJ declares that until you take action on your negative thoughts, you have not commited a sin, but you claim that even thinking of negative thoughts in itself is a sin. Allah AZJ declares that until a person has commited a sin, they wont be deserving of any punishment, whereas you claim that even thinking of wrong thoughts is a punishable offense.
Now, I agree with the fact that its negative thoughts that lead you to commit sins, however, calling a negative thought a sin is taking it to an extreme.

I am not going to comment on the fact that you seem to think that Allah AZJ is both the light and dark energy of the universe, or something to that effect, which directly goes against the Quranic verse that states that "Allah AZJ is the pure light of the heavens and the earth."
There might be mistakes in my translation of the above verse, yet the main theme is the same.
having said all that, I will make it clear that Your beliefs are your own, and its your choice what to believe in. I do not have anything against you or your beliefs, I respect that fact that you are willing to defend your beliefs but that doesn't mean that I or anyone else has to accept it as the absolute truth.

I would end this by quoting the sixth verse of Surah Kafiroon:

6. To you be your Way and to Me mine.

People discard the concept of God by saying that God is the creation of man and according to science no God exists however, they conveniently forget that science itself is the creation and knowledge that man possesses, not the knowledge of everything in existance.

bashue · 2024-03-18 19:18:33

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For anyone wondering whether or not eagalon is picking on me, I can assure you he isn't. We both had to be forceful in what we said because it was the only way we could drive our respective points home. He didn't go too far, even though it may seem like it in what he said. Did I go too far in what I said? I don't believe so because although we disagree with one another vehemently, we did not, nor will we ever attack one another. We may not always like what the other has to say but at least we are both true to what we believe in. Eagalon is right about me not being able to claim to be a Muslim, even though I was born and was raised as one my entire life. As for having negative thoughts and emotions but not acting upon them as committing sins is concerned, I don't believe that at all. There is a difference in having sinful thoughts and emotions running through you and residing in you and actually acting them out. Of course one cannot be punished for only thinking and feeling because one hasn't done anything wrong at that stage. It is however, dangerous to entertain said thoughts and emotions for too long unless you are able to lovingly counsel those who interpolate their thoughts with yours and compound your emotions with their own and gently guide them to stop doing that. The purpose of counselling them is to guide them to look directly to Allah SWT and in so doing, they will feel less controlled, less burdened until one day they're free of inner dross. If it were inherently sinful to just have negative thoughts and emotions then we would all be in far greater trouble than we are currently in right now. I know what it feels like to feel rebuked, slighted, unloved and punished just for having thoughts and emotions that I didn't want within me. I know what it's like to have persistent uncontrollable thoughts that I cannot switch off forcefully intrude into my mind and feeling like I'm going to be punished at any moment. Waiting to be punished is just as horrific as the punishment itself. I wouldn't wish such a condition on anyone and that's why I write the way that I do. Allah SWT loves those who give good counsel and those who put other people at ease. We don't want people to think that they're failiors, we want them to know that while they're imperfect, they are kind and good and they have every opportunity to make it into jannah. Nobody is exempt from being able to make it unless they have entered a state of being whereby they have lost their freedom of choice to be kind and good. If you can no longer choose to be kind and good because your words and actions are dictated by the dark sovereign power because the negative emotions are stronger than the positive, then only Allah SWT can bring an individual back from total insanity. That's what sins are, insanity. Sinning is of course offensive to Allah SWT because you're disobeying him by stealing from him and from our fellow brothers and sisters. Feeling and thinking bad isn't being sinful, it just means that you're not mentally and emotionally well. Refer to the mental health carer's manual for further clarification. Anyway, here is what Kali Robinson has to say on the matter. I will of course, post what my Brother has to say regarding sharia below the first article in a separate post because it is too long to fit into this post.

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Understanding Sharia: The Intersection of Islam and the Law.
Sharia guides the personal religious practices of Muslims worldwide, but whether it should influence modern legal systems remains a subject of intense debate.
Friday prayers at the Wazir Khan mosque in Lahore, Pakistan.
Friday prayers at the Wazir Khan mosque in Lahore, Pakistan. Damir Sagolj/Reuters
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Last updated December 17, 2021 2:00 pm (EST)
Sharia is the ideal form of divine guidance that Muslims follow to live a righteous life. Human interpretations of sharia, or fiqh, are the basis of Islamic law today.
About half the world’s Muslim-majority countries have sharia-based laws, and most Muslims worldwide follow aspects of sharia in their private religious practices.
Debate continues to flare over sharia’s place in the modern world, particularly with regard to its teachings relating to criminal justice, democracy, and social equality.
Introduction
Most of the world’s nearly fifty Muslim-majority countries have laws that reference sharia, the guidance Muslims believe God provided them on a range of spiritual and worldly matters. Some of these nations have laws that call for what critics say are cruel criminal punishments, or place undue restrictions on the lives of women and minority groups. However, there is great diversity in how governments interpret and apply sharia, and people often misunderstand the role it plays in legal systems and the lives of individuals.
What is sharia?
Sharia means “the correct path” in Arabic. In Islam, it refers to the divine counsel that Muslims follow to live moral lives and grow close to God. Sharia is derived from two main sources: the Quran, which is considered the direct word of God, and hadith—thousands of sayings and practices attributed to the Prophet Mohammed that collectively form the Sunna. Some of the traditions and narratives included in these sources evolved from those in Judaism and Christianity, the other major Abrahamic religions. Shiite Muslims include the words and deeds of some of the prophet’s family in the Sunna. However, sharia largely comprises the interpretive tradition of Muslim scholars.
The Prophet Mohammed is considered the most pious of all believers, and his actions became a model for all Muslims. The process of interpreting sharia, known as fiqh, developed over hundreds of years after he died in the seventh century and as the Islamic empire expanded outward from Mecca and Medina, where he lived and died, in modern-day Saudi Arabia.
Sharia isn’t the same as Islamic law. Muslims believe sharia refers to the perfect, immutable values understood only by God, while Islamic laws are those based on interpretations of sharia. Interpreting sharia requires deep knowledge of the Quran and Sunna, fluency in Arabic, and expertise in legal theory. However, modern Islamic seminaries have not standardized the level of competency nor the length of study necessary to qualify as a jurist, says Khaled Abou El Fadl, a Muslim jurist and law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles. Also, interpretations of sharia can conflict depending on who is interpreting them. “On any legal issue, there are ten different opinions,” Abou El Fadl says.
“On any legal issue, there are ten different opinions.”
Khaled Abou El Fadl, Muslim Jurist and Professor, University of California, Los Angeles
Islamic law varies by country, is influenced by local customs, and evolves over time. Sharia is also the basis of legal opinions called fatwas, which are issued by Muslim scholars in response to requests from individual Muslims or from governments seeking guidance on a specific issue. In Sunni Islam, fatwas are strictly advisory; in Shiite Islam, practitioners are obligated to follow the fatwas of the religious leader of their choosing.
Why is it so controversial?
Sharia is a source of debate among both Muslims and non-Muslims. Among the many reasons sharia generates controversy is that it’s often contrasted with modern legal regimes in predominantly secular countries. “If sharia is being compared to premodern legal systems, there’s hardly anything controversial about it,” Abou El Fadl says.
Sharia can also be seen as problematic depending on who is interpreting it. Many observers view sharia as a rigid legal system that can’t evolve to reflect modern, Western values. Debates over sharia tend to center on certain topics:
Corporal punishment. For certain crimes, such as theft, blasphemy, and adultery, traditional interpretations of Islamic law prescribe punishments that are considered draconian compared to those in most modern legal systems. Among them are the hudud punishments, which include stoning, lashing, and amputation. (The Quran never mentions stoning, which is a punishment derived from the Book of Deuteronomy in both the Hebrew and Christian Bibles.) However, applying such punishments requires meeting extensive evidentiary thresholds, so scholars say they are largely meant to serve as a deterrent rather than have a punitive effect through application.
Today, most Muslim-majority countries don’t administer physical punishments, though about a dozen of them have the authority to do so under state laws. Local and international backlash often dissuades authorities from following through with such sentences. However, Indonesia, Iran, the Maldives, and Qatar are among the countries where flogging is still conducted; and Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan have in recent decades punished convicted thieves with amputations. Additionally, the Taliban implemented public executions and amputations when they ruled Afghanistan in the 1990s and have said these punishments will return under their new government.
Jihad. Many non-Muslims assume that this word, which means “to strive,” only refers to an armed struggle by Muslim extremists against non-Muslims. However, as a tenet of sharia, it refers to the effort to achieve a moral aim, which could be an armed struggle against injustice, the desire to better oneself morally, or the pursuit of knowledge, for example.
Religious tolerance. Some critics say that Muslim-led states that follow sharia are particularly intolerant of nonbelievers or those who practice other religions. Scholars say that this intolerance largely stems from premodern restrictions applied to non-Muslim minorities in Muslim lands, which were supported by certain hadiths later introduced into the Muslim canon that recommend the death penalty for Muslims who commit apostasy. Nigeria and Pakistan have carried out capital punishment for blasphemy and apostasy, as did Sudan for many years.
Punishments for Blasphemy Vary in Severity Across the Muslim World
Punishment for blasphemy in Muslim-majority countries
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Capital punishment
Imprisonment or fine
Fine
No blasphemy laws
Note: Blasphemy laws often reflect a state’s interpretation of sharia, which does not explicitly prescribe a punishment for the offense. Population data is as of 2020.
Sources : U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom; Freedom House; Pew Research Center; CIA World Factbook.
Additionally, religious minorities in some Muslim countries have fewer rights under modern laws and are otherwise discriminated against. In Saudi Arabia, for instance, only Muslims can construct places of worship and pray in public. And other countries that claim to allow religious freedom—particularly authoritarian states—don’t do so in practice (and routinely deny their citizens rights regardless of their faith).
Democracy. Though scholars say sharia doesn’t recommend a specific system of government, it is used by different groups to argue both against and in favor of democracy. Some Muslims say democracy is a purely Western concept imposed on Muslim countries. Others say that democracy has a basis in the Quran, since “mutual consultation” among the people is commended (42:38 Quran). For example, during the so-called Arab Spring, Egypt’s Al-Azhar University issued a statement saying sharia promotes a transition to democracy. Moderate Islamist groups such as Tunisia’s Ennahda Movement party also espouse democracy as the preferred form of government. Meanwhile, the leaders of Iran and Saudi Arabia insist that sharia requires nondemocratic governance.
Women’s rights. The Quran states that women are morally and spiritually equal to men but also indicates that wives and mothers have specific roles in the family and society. Certain sharia guidance applies specifically to women, and some governments use Islamic law to significantly restrict women’s rights, dictating how they dress and barring them from or segregating them in certain spaces.
For example, Iran and Saudi Arabia have Islamic law–based regulations that require women to wear veils and be accompanied by male guardians in public places. Some Afghans and Western observers fear that Afghan women will face similar restrictions under the Taliban. Critics say these modesty rules create inequality, including by limiting education and employment opportunities for women. Other laws prevent women from initiating divorce and marriage on their own, contributing to child marriages and gender-based violence. Even in some places where sexist laws have been abolished, attitudes and practices are slow or resistant to change.
LGBTQ+ rights. All major schools of Islamic thought say that practicing homosexuality is a sin (even though same-sex attraction has long been accepted), and laws in most Muslim-majority countries discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. In the extreme, same-sex behavior is punishable by death under Islamic law in ten countries. In others, it is often harshly punished, as it is in some more conservative Christian-majority countries.
How much room is there for reform?
Some Muslim scholars say the religious tenet of tajdid allows for practices under sharia to be modified or eliminated. The concept is one of renewal, an idea suggesting that Islamic societies should be reformed constantly to remain pure. At the same time, others consider the purest form of Islam to be the one practiced in the seventh century.
Moreover, there is significant debate over what the Quran sanctions versus what practices come from local customs. For example, Muslim feminists have long argued that sexist interpretations of sharia stem from social norms, not from Islam itself. Other scholars take that principle more broadly: “The reality of it is that Islamic principles or Islamic laws can accommodate many things, so there’s actually very little that Islamic law requires or dictates,” says Intisar Rabb, a professor of Islamic law at Harvard University.
“A lot of the rules that are called Islamic are often local, culturally inflected preferences that come to have an Islamic veneer.”
Intisar Rabb, Professor, Harvard University
Modern governments have been known to alter laws considered to be Islamic. Saudi Arabia cited Islamic law when it granted women the right to drive in 2018. “If it’s truly Islamic, shouldn’t that not change? But it changed a few years ago,” Rabb says. “It’s just yet another example that a lot of the rules that are called Islamic are often local, culturally inflected preferences that come to have an Islamic veneer.”
How do governments in the Muslim world interpret and enforce sharia?
About half of the world’s Muslim-majority countries have some sharia-based laws, typically governing areas such as marriage and divorce, inheritance, and child custody. Only about a dozen Muslim countries apply sharia to criminal law, in part or in full. Governments tend to favor one of the major schools, or madhhabs, of Islamic law, although individual Muslims don’t usually adhere to one school in their personal lives. Each school is named after the scholar who founded it, and they differ in their methods of interpreting Islamic law:
The Hanafi school is regarded as the most liberal and the most focused on reason and analogy. It’s favored by Sunnis in the Balkans, the Caucasus, Central Asia, China, Egypt, India, Pakistan, Turkey, and large parts of the Arab world.
The Hanbali school, Islam’s most conservative and focused on select texts, spawned the Wahhabi and Salafi branches. Saudi Arabia and the Taliban embrace this school.
The Jaʽfari school, the main Shiite madhhab, is preferred by Shia-majority Iran, Iraq, parts of Lebanon and South Asia, and eastern Saudi Arabia. It places great significance on the fatwas of early jurists and emphasizes reason over analogy.
The Maliki school dominates in North and sub-Saharan Africa, as well as in parts of the Arab Gulf. It is the only school that considers the consensus of the people of seventh-century Medina as a source of law, out of the belief that the people of Medina best preserved the traditions of the Prophet Mohammed, who lived there.
The Shafiʽi school prevails in Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Yemen, and some areas in the Middle East. This was the first school to systematize the sources of Islamic law in order of authority, with the Quran as superior, followed by the Sunna, the consensus of Muslim scholars, and analogy.
European-style law also influences legal systems in Muslim countries, even in Iran and Saudi Arabia, which claim to only follow Islamic law. This owes in part to the effects of colonialism, the requirements for economic modernization, and the fact that many of the elite who built the legal systems in Muslim-majority countries had Western educations. Opinions on the best balance of Islamic law and secular law vary, but political systems tend to incorporate sharia-based laws in three ways:
Dual legal system. In some countries with large Muslim populations, such as Malaysia and Nigeria, the government has a secular judicial system but Muslims can choose to bring certain matters to Islamic courts. The exact jurisdiction of these courts varies by country but usually includes marriage, divorce, inheritance, and guardianship.
Government under God. In countries where Islam is the official religion, the constitution designates sharia as “a source,” or sometimes “the source,” of the law. Examples of the former include Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, while Bahrain, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates are among those that apply Islamic law in personal but not civil or criminal matters. In Pakistan, Iran, and Iraq, among others, it is forbidden to enact legislation that is antithetical to Islam. Non-Muslims are not expected to obey sharia, and, in most countries, they are under the jurisdiction of special government committees and adjunct courts.
Secularism. Muslim countries where the government is formally secular include Azerbaijan, Chad, Senegal, Somalia, Tajikistan, and Turkey. Still, Islamist parties run for office and occasionally take power in these countries. Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) is one such example.

How do extremist groups interpret sharia? Islamist militant groups are notorious for embracing puritanical interpretations of sharia. Al-Qaeda, al-Shabab, and the self-declared Islamic State, among others, want to establish what they call fundamentalist regimes. Such organizations rely on violence and terrorism to push their extreme versions of Islamic law, establish and expand their influence, and persecute their opponents. They have been known to mete out gruesome punishments rarely used by governments in Islamic history, such as stoning, and others that traditional Islamic law expressly prohibits, such as crucifixion.
Leaders of such groups often have little to no training in interpreting sharia. Many insurgent groups see the imposition of an extreme version of Islamic law as a way to rebuke Western influence and hearken back to when Muslims ruled powerful empires. “They focus on the power and not on the interpretation or on law as a sophisticated discipline or area of expertise,” Rabb says. “With these organizations, you have all of the trappings and benefits of claiming religious commands, but none of the substance or procedure that came along with the complex system of Islamic law through informed and changing interpretations over time.”
How do Muslim-minority countries approach sharia?
Some governments let independent religious authorities apply and adjudicate their faith’s laws in certain situations. For instance, the United Kingdom (UK) allows Islamic tribunals governing marriage, divorce, and inheritance to make legally binding decisions if both parties agree. Similar mechanisms exist for Jewish and Anglican communities. In Israel, Christians, Jews, and Muslims can adjudicate matters of family law in religious courts, as can members of a few other faiths. Additionally, Muslim-minority countries such as Australia, Japan, the UK, and the United States allow Islamic banking, or sharia-compliant banking.
Conversely, officials in certain Muslim-minority countries seek to block sharia from influencing state law or practice. Some have prohibited behaviors encouraged under sharia, such as veil wearing for women or ritual slaughter to make meat halal. The ban on wearing veils or headscarves exists in France, for example, where secularism is part of the national identity and conspicuous religious symbols are banned in certain public spaces. Supporters of such laws say they promote women’s empowerment and social harmony, while critics say they ignore individual freedoms and unfairly target Muslims.
Recommended Resources
In this meeting, George Mason University’s Heba F. El-Shazli discusses religious freedom in the Middle East with the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom’s Dwight Bashir and authors Janine di Giovanni and Daniel Philpott.
Harvard University’s Islamic Law Blog provides expert analysis on issues relating to Islamic law.
Harvard Professor Intisar Rabb discusses the purpose of doubt in Islamic criminal law and explains why premodern jurists rarely sentenced criminals to harsh physical punishments.
University of California, Los Angeles, Professor Khaled Abou El Fadl and other scholars debate the relationship between Islam and democracy for the Boston Review.
Leiden University’s Maurits S. Berger explores the role of sharia in the West for the Journal of Law, Religion and State.
The Washington Post’s Andrew Jeong, Jennifer Hassan, and Sarah Pulliam Bailey lay out the Taliban’s view of sharia.
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KenshiraTheTrinity · 2024-03-18 19:24:49

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I have kept silent until now, must watching to see where all of thks would go and it has come to this, where I can no longer resist the urge to interject.

@58, it is wrong when a nation's laws oppress people who do not worship their God, oppress people for being of the wrong gender, not just oppress, but put to death for those very reasons. Not exempging my own nation of wrong doing here,, oppression is oppression, whoever you are and however you cut it, and expecting there not to be resistance is an exersize in futility.

I habe a lot to say about the Quran, Mohamad, his treatment of women and people of different skin colors, but that is beyond the scope of this discussion. First hand accounts of how fasting turns into feasting confirms what I have heard, and to me that just seems like hypocrisy.

For my part, I wouldn't claim to be something I was born into. Everyone is responsible for his own destiny. Maybe something will come to light that doesn't sit well with us and makes us question the way we were taught, and we have to be opened to that possibility to grow as individuals. Be careful about who and what you put your trust in. Who is more a fool than the one who follows him? Objecgive truths are important, do not invalidate their credibility, and don't accept something as good and true just because it scratches your itching ears. You're better off with people who tell hurtful truth than those who tell soothing lies. These could take everything from you and youd never know it because they've only been telling you what you want to hear.

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eagalon · 2024-03-18 19:56:40

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@61: You have the right to have your own opinion, and I fully respect the person who is willing to defend their opinions.
as for the case of oppression, I said so I one of my previous posts that the faith in the hands of Clergy is nothing but a tool to control the masses. countless countries and empires in the history of mankind have used religion as a tool in order to achieve their specific aims. I am not discounting the governments who called themselves Islamic as well.
as for the topic of Holy Prophet and His PBUH ways, if you wish then we can start a seperate topic regarding that or we can discuss it in the dms if you so wish because as you said yourself, its beyond the goals of current discussion.
As for the fasting turning into feasting, I totally agree with you. However, it would be an injustice to attribute it to the Holy Prophet PBUH or Islam in general, or any other religion for that matter. If you wish then you can look up the commandments regarding the fasting, its not allowed to overeat at anytime much less during the month of fasting. Islam can not be held responsible for what the people who claim to follow it do nor any other religion for that matter if its not written in its laws.

People discard the concept of God by saying that God is the creation of man and according to science no God exists however, they conveniently forget that science itself is the creation and knowledge that man possesses, not the knowledge of everything in existance.

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Hay KenshiraTheTrinity, I must thank you for that. Don't worry about going beyond the scope of this post, please feel free to express any and every point you wish to. As far as I'm concerned, nothing is off limits. My threads should be unmoderated as far as such a thing is possible. To everyone else, here is what my brother has to say regarding sharia law. I pray this finds you well.

Terence Malaher wrote:

~ Sharia ~ The 'singular' divine LAW of God
Sharia of Allah
Page 1.
Introduction.
As you now read on you will begin to see, understand and realise the depth of the satanic iniquity. For the Serpent did deceive the entire human race as IT 'authorised' man via legislated 'mandates' to defy God and wield the Law of God against their sister & brother & father & mother.
The TRUE meaning of the word SHARIA is;
"The divine spiritual rule, principle, or criterion by which every ACTION of God's children is judged by God but not by mortal man."
It is the 'revealed' singular LAW of God which IS immutable and thus inviolable.
It is the 'return' imposed by God and thus ITS implementation is 'uncontrollable' by man.
It is simply the 'eye for an eye' return of benign or malignant, Light or Dark, Creative or Destructive ENERGY of God used.
The TRUTH of God's divine law (Sharia) has been distorted over time by imams and bishops, clerics and priests and other less than merciful 'holy men' who all defy THE COMMAND of God to go their way in peace and love one another and they are all exposed now by my pen as 'infidels' who have in the past and to this day still DO mislead God's children and thereby cause havoc, great suffering and destruction in the process.
Hundreds of 'rules, laws, decrees' and rituals have been invoked by vain, arrogant, ignorant and greedily corrupt men to control and subjugate and punish God's children over the ages. My pen exposes them all because it is I who have been sent to reveal that the SHARIA of God is a SINGULAR "As you do is done unto you" Law of 'return' ONLY.
This Law is absolute Justice imposed by God but is NOT to be imposed by man. All mankind, of whatever religious persuasion now need to fully grasp that ONLY God stands above the implementation of His 'Sharia' divine law.
Mankind must now understand that ALL rites and rules or decrees and edicts carrying any punitive attachments because they have been ‘enshrined’ as 'texts' in the books named by MAN as 'Sharia' are NOT Sharia nor are they either equitable or 'Just Justice.' What these ‘man’ enshrined ‘rites and rules’ are is quite simple, they are solely the means whereby mortal man controlled other men for the purpose of gaining control over God’s children.
The vain 'enforcers' seeking this control over God’s children were thus enabled to teach their flock to openly to defy God's Command to go their 'way' in 'PEACE and BE merciful, compassionate and forgiving.'
The 'error' of thinking in mortal man is that he supposes that ‘he’ must enforce & impose the Sharia 'Law of God' when in Truth, the Law of God (Sharia) takes 'care' of ITSELF in that IT implements itself with NO 'aid' needed from mortal man because IT is the EQUAL and therefore the 'eye for an eye' RETURN.
This return is either for the benign or malignant ENERGY of God used in man’s interaction with man and NO 'mandate nor official position' nullifies nor voids Gods Sharia (divine law) nor God’s implementation of HIS Law. IT, God’s divine Law, 'balances' ITS 'Scales of Justice' Itself and God brooks no interference from man or man’s puny laws when it concerns His Just eye for an eye process.
Man must BOW in submission to the Command of God at all times and in all circumstances:
" Go your way in peace & love one another & be merciful & compassionate & forgive your perceived enemy."
The SHARIA is THE spiritual LAW of every realm of God's consciousness however, God's Sharia has nothing to do with the punitive attachments which mortal man imposes upon others via his books of 'rules, laws, decrees, statutes, acts' etc., which bring everyone to their knees.
Man is totally UNJUST and merciless, dispassionate and vindictive and is totally 'stupid' when he presumes to impose so much suffering upon others in the name of God, seeing NOT that all he imposes, will BE imposed upon his own HEAD by God at some stage ahead in this world or the next. Only God is infinitely Just therefore ONLY God has the mandate to JUDGE:
You steal an egg ~ you lose an egg
You give mercy ~ you receive mercy
You cause injury ~ you receive a similar injury
You kindly give unto others ~ you are kindly given to by others
You kill ~ you will be killed
You 'spare' life ~ your life will be spared
You cut off a hand ~ your hand will be cut off
You forgive your enemy ~ your enemy will forgive you.
That is the 'Sharia of God' - the Divine Law in operation (God's absolute Justice)
The divine law is simply the CONSEQUENCE of ones ACTIONS and is NOT God's 'Command.' God's COMMAND is:
" Go your way in peace & love one another & be merciful & compassionate & forgive your perceived enemy."
Why does God command man to always 'Bow in submission' to HIS Command? (Islam) Because IF we so do then we remain within the 'benign' return aspect of THE Sharia (Law of God) and we are happy because no other causes us any HARM. We have the protection of God.
So in order to REMAIN within the precepts of THE COMMAND we must NEVER interfere in the lives of others and never punish or fight or reprimand others, for IF we DO, then we ARE 'infidels' defying God and we place ourselves within the punitive aspect of 'Sharia of God' (the divine law of God) and we suffer exactly what we IMPOSED through our arrogance or ignorance.
It clearly follows that every 'RULE' of punishment 'listed' by mortal man is a FALSITY and of itself defiance of THE COMMAND and invoked by an 'infidel' defiant of God. It also follows that any person or 'Judge' imposing a punitive sentence MUST suffer the same because that IS the 'Sharia of God.' (Divine Law of God) THE LAW of God (Sharia) is ABSOLUTE JUSTICE.
It also follows that any person 'voting' or funding or supporting a 'System' of government which IMPOSES punishments is also GUILTY through complicity of defying THE COMMAND of God because their 'servants' are injuring others in their name and on their behalf and all suffer proportionately as God so decides.
Please now BOW in submission to THE COMMAND of God and NEVER cause harm and thus you will be happy and joyous as you only receive a 'bountiful' RETURN within the Sharia of God. (The law of God)
This is the TRUE and ONLY WAY to eternal bliss and happiness and spiritual freedom
Page 2.
~ God as head of house. ~
For countless centuries man has been ruled by and misled by arrogant men. These men of religion or chiefs of power have held everyone in bondage to their DARK and destructive 'principles' of control, punishment, extortion, invasion and war.
In fact, it is these 'leaders' who were controlled by God's Dark energy and now it is THE TIME for us all to simply have the LIGHT of God as our guide rather than any mortal man or woman.
We must now simply go our way in PEACE as we truly DO 'bow in submission' to God's Command. We must now simply get ON with our daily 'life' and go about our business with God as our 'head of house' rather than mortal men and their controlling rules.
Only then will we be truly blessed by joy, peace, harmony and happiness as there will be NO taxes imposed and we will simply pay our way as we pay for any services we need directly to service providers rather than to 'princes' and other controllers.
From the income profit we make we will GIVE funds as we donate towards the upkeep of the lost, lonely or elderly who may need our HELP. We will now UNDERSTAND that God has only ONE Law: "As you do is done unto you." (Good for good given, pain for pain imposed)
So let our youth now lead the way as they 'teach & preach' the new loving way and they no longer 'obey' political 'heads.' They simply go their way peacefully as they turn their 'backs' upon the OLD WAY.
As said, all must simply get ON with their lives and never raise their 'voice' or hand or gun against any other sister or brother of any 'race' or belief. They also turn their backs to supposed 'holy men' who ritualistically impose rules and rituals which are now abolished by God's pen, MINE.
No more 'licence fees' are to be paid before carrying out a business as that way of extortion is also abolished as is taxation. As stated, God is now head of each house and 'officialdom' is abolished as all become enlightened and peaceful, kind, merciful and compassionate and 'free giving' rather than 'taking.'
Remember the Command of God as you awaken each day:
" Go your way in peace & love one another & be merciful & compassionate & forgive your perceived enemy."
Any person of ANY 'faith' be they king or president or imam or other who DEFY the Command of God for ANY reason and punish any person is a 'whore' who takes a 'shekel' from the DEVIL and does the 'works of the devil,' for NO true Muslim or man of THE Light ever shows disrespect to the Command of God, for God is the giver of all life.
Any person of any standing who uses TEXT 'rules' in a book of law or other as the MEANS to 'turn their hand' against another is an ignorant INFIDEL who deserves to BURN and does so.
You have been WARNED - God is God, not you. OBEY God's Command.
Remember, if YOU 'disturb the peace of others,' then God will do the same to YOU.
Treat all others with THE GREATEST RESPECT even if they are mentally disturbed and vain or insane. Only help them and educate them if you can. If they 'resist' and laugh in your face then leave them to God to 'correct,' not you.
If you are one of the idiots who treats women as 'offal' and continue to mistreat them IN ANY WAY or show ANY disrespect to God's daughters, (your or another's) sister, wife, mother or lover,' you will find your way DOWN to a very dark space place where you are not only 'crushed' into submission by very dark forces but will be eternally 'segregated' from the laughing eyes, smiles, and the loving touch, softness and warm embrace of the female gender. Revere God's daughters for they are more precious to HIM than you can 'imagine.'
All men who continue to try and force others to uphold rituals or decrees or other rules of men which have been enshrined as 'laws' of God will by God be sent into the underworld of eternal suffering for failing to BOW IN SUBMISSION to His Command. Leave the implementation of the 'Sharia of God' to God. Foolish indeed is any mortal who defies God's COMMAND.
Ignorance of the Sharia of God is NOT 'bliss' and NO excuse and will NOT save you.
Educate yourself.
Page 3.
~ True Sharia. ~
The TRUE 'Sharia' (divine justice) is all one and the same, being: An honourable and equitable and 'Just' energy return unto you personally for every positive or negative deed done by your hands on a 'person to person' basis with other children of God.
It is the positive return or 'Tribute' for deeds kind, or for deeds fair. This return unto you is on an 'eye for an eye' basis. As you gave are you given by God.
It is the negative return or 'retribution' for deeds unkind, or for deeds foul. This return unto you is on an 'eye for an eye' basis. As you gave are you given by God.
If you make others cry - you will weep.
If you are unkind - the Devil will you bind.
If you are compassionate & merciful & forgiving - you enter Paradise above.
For God has only ONE Law, it is eternal and immutable for sure and it says:
"As you Sow - so shall ye Reap - - - As you do is done unto you"
The 'jurisprudence' of God's ONE Law is simply that you receive back what you gave out, in an exact 'measure' of pain or pleasure. For God is ALL, and God ensures that whenever you use any of HIS 'energy' that is both the positive or negative, that you receive an equal return.
This Law of God applies to all - both the rich and the poor, the priests and scribes and supposed holy men and, - - - also to those 'Judges' that judge and condemn God's children. They too suffer the same fate that they 'decreed' by their unholy 'pen.'
The 'decrees' or 'dictates' or 'rules' of any man written as 'texts' called 'holy books' or 'bibles' or, the legislated rules of politicians that 'govern' and control and punish God's children, as contained within the supposed 'laws of the land,' are all 'Satanic.'
For all are extortionist and punitive, and all 'tax' the sanity of God's children, and all cause suffering, and all defy God's Command to "Be loving & kind & forgiving, & never 'bind' others to your beliefs."
The vain 'robed' men that 'apply' these rules believe falsely that they are as 'mighty' as God, and soon all will pay their 'dues' to God for going astray from the TRUE path of forgiveness and mercy.
Be they the scribes or the legislators, or the soldiers or the 'law enforcers,' or the 'simple' public that support this dark and punitive ideology by funding it, or condoning it, will all 'bleat' when they fall on their knees at God's feet in the afterlife. For the WRATH of God they will meet. For God Commanded:
"Go your way in PEACE" - Submit to this Command - - - (ISLAM)
Because - - - this Command of God is:
'The path to the water well'
And - - - any who in defiance fail to obey God will be sent below.
God' dictates' HIS 'Will,' - not man.
Man must only 'return' good unto others. Yes, even unto their perceived enemy or those that 'offend' in some way because, - - - under God's ONE Supreme Law, (Sharia) any person that punishes another is in fact punishing himself.
For as he 'does'* (punish & cause pain & suffering to be imposed,) so will God pay him back and, - - - no 'mandate' of man or role of Authority protects any man from God's eye for an eye' Law.
Page 4.
For none are 'above' the Sharia (Divine Law) of God. Foolish man raises up 'rules' in a 'book' in the name of God, as he 'man' says: 'These are God's commandments.'   They are not, they are but control & punishment meted out by the ignorant 'impostors' posing as 'holy' or 'enlightened.'
Mankind should only raise up Codes of Conduct for guiding their youth, not for control or punishment or taxation extortion. Mankind can raise up other Codes of Conduct for example: 'Builders Guild of excellence code,' or 'Drivers road code.' These 'Certificates' or 'proof' of excellence belong to their holder, not to any 'governing' body.
The most important 'Code' to be taught is the 'personal relationships' daily living Code of Conduct as Commanded by God. Being that all are taught to:
"Respect others - - never intrude into the affairs of others - - never disturb the peace of the land, or the peace of others - - be compassionate & merciful towards the sick or less fortunate and those that yet do offend due to their callous offensive ways - - be kind and considerate - - never regulate or tax or control others - - never steal from others - - never criticise or abuse or punish others - - only educate and counsel the offensive ones, and forgive them for their ignorant ways."
For only in this 'way' do we receive a positive return from God within the Sharia of God (As we do is done unto us) - For any negative abusive or controlling or punitive living 'Way' shows God that we walk the false way, and under God's Sharia (Divine Law) we then suffer the same for sure.
Any that walk 'outside' this conduct code through disturbing the peace of others must be 'detained,' and made to attend a three hour 'Feeling Easier' Seminar as is given in the 'Offender' document, as this will assist in their mental rehabilitation.
Other than these, the community can give out general advice notification to assist all. Example: 'General hygiene information,' or 'immunisation information,' etc.
Each person is free to choose their own way of life, with God's Command as their guide, and each is 'responsible' to God, not man. It is God the 'Judge & executioner,' the 'Giver of all, or the 'Taker of all.'
Your deed is your ideology, for 'religion' is but a word that denotes many things. For many a woman or man praises the name of God, but they by deed defy God's Command. So God says:
"Beware these last days, for any found 'lacking' by ME their Creator will be cast out with the swine and wolves for eternity. You have all been given the choice. The choice to heed ME or to heed the voice of the Deceiver. You now by your deed show me whether you:
Work for the Deceiver and - - - Make others bleed - Interfere in the lives of others - Control others - Manipulate others - Punish others - Abuse others - Make rules to control or restrict others - Steal from others - Seize others goods - Tax others income - Control the borders of MY lands - Invade others lands and kill them, and are Merciless and unforgiving.
OR
You walk in PEACE as Commanded by ME and on a 'person to person' basis to others you are Merciful - Compassionate - Kind - Caring - Giving, and Forgiving.
For by your daily deed I know you as belonging to ME your Creator the LIGHT or belonging to Shetani the DARK. Truly, the time is near when those of you that continue on 'abusing' MY children will feel fear and also MY spear."
Page 5.
So sisters and brothers of mine, it is obvious for all mankind to now see that all have 'strayed' away from the TRUE 'peaceful & loving' path. Thus all will now suffer for a time and none will 'laugh.'
Let us now all 'turn' to the LIGHT of the Star shining bright and become respectful unto all, and do what God Commands all of you and become merciful & compassionate and forgiving.
For it is your deed that 'changes' the colour of your seed. Yes, as you do 'good' it becomes clearer and brighter. As you do 'wrong' it becomes dark and less bright.
Remember, every 'enforcer' working for any State or Religion that is punishing others because of a 'mandate' or rules, is heading 'Hell's' way and for their defiance of God they will in HELL pay.
Man has arrogantly raised up 'rules' in the name of God, or in the name of 'Muhammad,' or in the name of the 'State,' and all such rules are to now be destroyed by God, as HIS 'wise' children delete all such, as this fresh wisdom is laid at the feet of humanity.
By my 'pen' God now sets you free from the 'sin' of your ancestors, who were deceived by the Devil through their pride, greed, and vanity and ignorance. Heed now God and set yourselves free, for the 'books' of RULES* are the false demigod that control everyone.
Note: RULES* - Are 'Kufr' (rebellion against God) - being anti-God's Command of peace and love.   For the rules of man justify control, extortion, abuse, and punishment. Be they the rules in the 'books' of religion, or secular enactments, all are rules of men that defy God's sacred pen.
Any 'Fatwa'* (legal ruling) that contravenes the 'peace' love, mercy, & compassion' Command of God is Kufr, and - - - the 'Deen' (The Way) is not by 'following' any named religion, it is by living your daily life in accordance with God's Command.
Thus it follows that any person or any ideology that inflicts any pain and suffering upon others is 'kafir'* (One who denies the truth) and 'Kufr,' and it is the false' Deen.' You personally only attain 'Jannah'* (Paradise) when you are at all times 'peaceful & merciful & compassionate & forgiving.'
To attain this 'gift' from God, your personal 'Jihad'* (Striving for peace) must be an inner striving* (Battle within the mind) to maintain your peaceful & merciful & forgiving expression when faced by 'adversity' at the hands of 'Infidels' of any 'race or colour or creed.'
God sees no 'class' or skin colour or 'belief,' God sees only the colour of your inner spirit soul that becomes 'light or dark' depending on your daily deeds.
Note: God* (God) says that it is 'Haram'* (forbidden) for any man to 'judge' another for the purpose of punishment God says that man may only 'judge' another perceived as an offensive one for the purpose of deciding whether they are in need of assistance or good counsel.
Thus any 'religious' Court inquisition or Secular Court proceedings are in contempt of God, for their 'clerics' or judicial 'officers' believe that they are 'as' mighty as God. For only God is 'self-authorised' to use force and abuse HIS errant children within the 'bounds' of HIS one supreme Law.
Note: Men of 'religion' treat scriptural RULES as if the RULES are God Himself. They are not, they are but the 'meanderings' of lost minds that were used by the Devil to bind man into false ways, for God has but ONE Rule:"As you do is done unto you," and God Commands that man walks in Peace, and all 'punishers' are intruders and disturbers of the peace.
Page 6.
There are no 'true' Muslims, and no 'true' Christians, for all defy God's Command to "Walk in peace & only love each other," for all men 'bow' to the dictates of the 'punishment' factor in the RULE book named 'The Koran' or the RULE book named "The Holy Bible" or the Political RULE books named the Secular 'laws of the land.'
Thus it follows that NONE today worship God. All worship the rules that were raised up by men who 'claimed' that they were inspired by God. In fact every 'punitive' or controlling' or 'extortionist' Rule defies God's Command, and every person enforcing said rules are themselves 'subject' to God's ONE Law.
Truly they will weep as 'pain' seeps into their very 'marrow' when they fall into the Abyss filled with sorrow. For that 'judgement' is the 'Sharia of God'* (Divine Law) that all 'abusers' of God's children will be abused on an 'eye for an eye' basis at the 'hand' of God.
For that is the 'singular' Law of God: "As you do is done unto you."
Note: 'Apostate' - One is perceived as a heretic or a renegade if one does not belong to any 'named' religion or, if one 'fellowships' with any 'other' religion that is perceived as a false one.
What every person needs to see, is that one does not need to 'belong' to any named religion. One merely needs to be 'strong' in the ideology Commanded by God, the ideology of 'Salaam - Islam'* (Peaceful), and thus one is a true 'believer.'
Note: Those that perceive all written by 'man'* (men of the past) as being 'Divine Law' from God are the 'blind & lost' sheep, for they see these 'punitive rules' as un-challengeable, and they use them to enforce edicts, and to punish others out of vindictiveness.
None seeing that it is these very 'scriptures' that 'permit' them and others to defy God. These 'edicts' were raised up by men purporting to be 'wise,' and to have been 'sent' from the skies as they 'quote' God or Muhammad as the Source of their inspiration.
None of them nor you seeing that any 'inspiration' that contains any 'contra' ideology to that of 'Peace & love & mercy & compassion & forgiveness' is the 'hiss' of the devilish Serpent that has held mankind in bondage since time immemorial.
Note: The use of any 'force' is contra the 'Will' of God and the Command of God. No, 'punitive' rules are not 'divine,' they are the edicts of swine purporting to be 'holy men.'
Man's mind is changeable.
Man's belief is changeable.
Man's interpretation is changeable.
Man's understanding is changeable.
But - - - God's 'Sharia'* (Divine Law) is eternally immutable, inviolate, unchangeable and, - - - is applicable to the wise, the ignorant, the poor, and the rich and, - - - all those that applied the 'switch' to others backs will be 'flayed' by God for their 'infidelity' to God's Command.
Page 7.
Ask yourself - -
"Is it the 'name' of a religion that is the Truth or the Way"?
"Is it the 'punitive rules' content of the 'books' that is the Truth or the Way"?
Neither, for God's Command to us HIS children is :"Be merciful & compassionate & forgiving and walk in PEACE," and is the religious ideology to be adhered to and followed, for it is the ONLY way to attain 'Jannah'* (Paradise) and, - - -
God's' Sharia'* (Law) of 'an eye for an eye' in all you do is also applicable today, and, - - - God is to now restore peace in this land by casting out all that defy HIM as they continue to disturb the peace of the land as they 'abuse' others being HIS children and, - - - they shall be cast out and swept into the underworld by HIS power.
For in the 'eye' of God, any person that 'raises up' any rule or 'edict' that punishes another is a criminal, one to be dealt with by God at a time and in a place ordained by God.
All anti-terrorist 'abuse' imposed forcefully is itself a terrorist activity, and the perpetrators also defy God's Command of "Peace and goodwill unto all," and they too will feel the full force of God's Wrath in the underworld.
Those that 'shed' blood will be 'bled,' - - - those that kill others will soon themselves be dead, - - - not only 'dead' in the flesh, but their spirit with cold darkness will enmesh. Choose now quickly, for - - -
Your eternal destiny is at 'stake.'
One of the 'greatest' difficulties for man of today is to see the other's point of view in a 'correct' perspective. This is due to many factors, the least of which is the programmed mind that 'grows' in understanding from its daily input. Much of which is 'biased' towards the teachings of the past days, as well as the parental input of the particular 'race' ones 'spirit' is born into.
Fortunately for me I was 'born' in East Africa and was thus 'blessed' with the mixture of colours of 'cream & red & brown & black & white, as well as the 'beliefs' of the many ideologies and the 'texts' of their 'scriptures' that many a man did write.
Yes, all 'races' have the belief that their 'holy book' contains the 'Way.' None seeing that the TRUTH is so simple and is the same but, - - - it has been misplaced amongst the 'addled' writings of many a 'hand' that tried to 'interpret' the original and, thus this my prayer of the day is:
"Oh Pillar of Light, please help me to open the eyes of the ignorant, so that they can stand in your sight. Please help them to see that they must no longer wield a verbal or physical 'Sword' for, - - - they must now lay down their 'arms' and 'succumb' to your loving 'charms' and, - - - they must now only educate offenders, and no longer punish or fight any other for, - - - all must now see that all are your precious children and their divine sister or brother."
Imam al-Mahdi
Page 8.
~ Adversity. ~
When faced by 'adversity'
The Faithful stay Peaceful
The unfaithful 'infidels' commit spiritual 'infidelity' and, - - -
They defy God and raise up a 'Sword'* against others and they Fight and, - - -
These 'swine' are sent below into the Abyss by God and there, - - - they get to know 'why' God said:
"Walk your road in PEACE and make no other cry."
Those 'teachers' that preach 'regulation or punishment' or raise up 'edicts' in the 'name of God' or in the 'name of Mohammad' and deceive God's children with false teachings are also infidels that defile their own souls and, - - -
These 'whores'* are sent below into the Abyss by God and there, - - - they get to know 'why' God said:
"Do not regulate or berate.Only 'educate,' and tell MY children to walk in PEACE and make no other cry."
You have all now been told and are now warned that having read this 'notice' from God, that all will now pay their past dues and, - - - further to this, any that now continue on in their unforgiving & merciless 'sinning' ways will continue to suffer and more dues 'accrue' and pay.
Please do your best to now stand UP as on this FINAL message from God you 'sup' and, - - - change your ways to the positive mercy & forgiveness before that last of these END days.
Note: 'Sword'* - 'Sword, axe, gun, stone, stick, or even a 'foul' word or, - - -
being any expression of darkness through you, be it the control or punishment of others.
Note:* 'whores' - Persons that take or receive a 'shekel' or a 'mercenary' wage as a payment for which they defy God's Holy Command to be 'Peaceful & merciful & forgiving,' and their 'duty' is then for the Devil to whom they owe their allegiance as for IT they 'interfere, , regulate, control, seize, steal, tax, punish, deceive, or even kill, others, and through their dark deeds, the Devil has ITS 'fill' and, - - - these 'ignorant' infidels unknowingly sell their souls to the Devil that ahead, then dines on their spiritual carcasses.
Will these 'ignorant' ones ever stop supping 'blood' from Satan's cup? I hope so, for the day draws near when every 'abuser' or 'enforcer' feels fear when they find themselves 'unarmed' in the depths below. Only if they now heed me and turn to face the Light of God will they one day be set free.
Note:* 'rituals' - People have been taught falsely that the 'performing' of rituals purges their souls of sin. This is gross error, as is the ritualistic 'practise' of the 'stoning of Satan' in the 'Haj' pilgrimage. For you do not get 'rid' of Satan or your inner sin by throwing stones at anyone, - - - including Shetani, for HE is 'authorised' by God to steal the souls of non-believers, and it is only the non-believers that do throw stones and, - - - when you try and 'kill' Satan, you at that moment have strayed from the true path of PEACE.
Terence - the messenger of God
Page 9.
~ The 'face' & 'Will' of God. ~
The Will of God is 'plural' as all will 'see' once the face of God they can see. Until then, they will just have to believe me, being the spirit of truth who can God's face see.
For God is Father and Mother too, and thus God's 'Will' is two. For God is the Light the Mother, as well as the Dark the Father, and thus each has 'something' within their mind that they 'individually' seek to impress upon the loving 'living' and the 'dead' unkind.
So the 'Will' of our Mother of life is different to that of the Father of 'strife,' for He is the one to intrude and impose His Will upon any that abuse their inner rose. This they do when the Command to 'Only love' they abuse by infusing darkness upon others that then to them does return.
Her 'Will' is but the loving and merciful one, wherein She returns light and love to everyone that heeds Her call of compassion and mercy and forgiveness too. So all that heed Her are caring and kind and Father's Wrath does not them bind.
So what you all need to try and see is that, whenever you are controlling or punitive or abusive in any way, then Father is the one to make you pay. For His Will is always done either by Him direct or through 'someone' that is blind and cannot see that they are not as powerful as HE.
For only the 'blind' and vain and arrogant impose His retribution upon others or steal their pay, for they see not that His Law is immutable and all their folly will return to them on another day.
Those that can 'see' are kind and caring as they heed their Mother the Light and never steal or deceive or fight. So their 'return' that they 'earn' within God's singular law is 'happiness & joy' for sure.
So please now prepare your mind. For if you do not, then the dark will it bind as it intrudes and uses you to be His enforcer, and for Him you will much 'imposition' of retribution do to the untrue.
For what you must see, is that He uses the 'blind' to be His 'enforcer' due to their arrogance and intent to be unkind. For in this way He infuses their soul with His dark energy so that He can drag it down below.
For when their 'spirit' soul is dragged below, then He can bestow His full wrath upon it as His Might he does upon them 'sit' and this way they learn the 'folly' of 'burning' His children.
If you would rise up into Mother's Light the Promised Land then heed me, for only I see the Will of God in action in everyone's daily interaction. For we are the 'energy' of God in action at all times.
Thus we individually 'choose' to win or lose, and this we do depending upon whether our actions are true or untrue. So it is now up to you. For whatever you do, you will 'invoke' the Will of God too. Be it God's 'joy' or God's 'hate' to which none can relate.
Page 10.
~ Daily prayers. ~
Men of Religion say:"Kneel at our feet for only through us you will God greet."
God says: "Kneel at no man's feet, stand tall and face the Sun that is 'as' Me, pure brilliance and radiance."
God says: "True 'pillars' of Light being men of spiritual strength and deep insight are those who do walk unarmed peacefully, and they fear not for their flesh for they trust ME their God they cannot see and thus they uphold my decree."
- 'Peace - Salaam - Islam' -
God says: "My sacred 'Word' is the ONE pillar that will uphold itself, for any who walk in Peace walk in My 'shelter,' and those who fight send their own souls plummeting into the dark night aided by My Dark energy which is invisibly drawn into their souls as they use it against others."
God says: "As you walk your way just think of my wisdom I again now send your way. It is symbolised by the bright Morning Star that shines truthfully bright and clear both night and day. As this you do three times a day, then say the "star" prayer I now send your way, as it will strengthen your mind so that you can "pay" for past folly without retaliating on your day."
God says: "Heed now Terence, for his pen is MY sacred pen and all of you of any race must walk in PEACE - Salaam ISLAM - InshAllah, or you will be confined by ME below and eternally be "lost" in desert storms or snow and for eternity your suffering will grow, and all "religions" are ANTI - Islam, for all men of religion FIGHT and that is an abomination in My sight."
God says: "The religion called 'Islam' is not the way. The way is when you heed My call of' Islam' and thus you extend PEACE and goodwill unto all.
I God have spoken
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The Conclusion.
This 'Correction of the Truth' should enable a positive response from your soul.
The Sharia (Sacred Law) of God is: - - -The 'eye for an eye' return Due given to man for every deed (action) bestowed by man upon others, be it kindness for kindness bestowed or suffering for suffering imposed, - - - this 'Tribute' imposition of happiness or sorrow is bestowed or imposed by God. This is Divine Justice.
The Tariqah (Sacred Path) as revealed in the Word of God is: - - - That to attain inner peace and salvation and to gain entry into Paradise, - - - man must walk in Peace in every situation and at all times, and always be kind & respectful & merciful & compassionate & forgiving.
The Haqiqah (Sacred Truth) is the Wisdom from God that states that: - - - When confronted by aggression, man must not retaliate in any way. For only in non retaliation is one conforming to the sacred path and 'way' of PEACE not the Sword. Thus any 'aspirant' must have an outwardly peaceful expression in order to accomplish the journey inwardly to the inner destination of Heaven.
True Islam is the adherence to the Holy Word of God and only thus does the individual attain divine order and harmony within and without, and beatitude of their soul is attained.
All God's children are 'called' to follow this divine revelation and to live according to its Doctrine of 'Peace unto all.' For religious 'doctrines' differ and are at 'variance' to the above absolute Divine Will of God.
Any 'variance' to the commanded divine order and harmony wherein ones daily deed is solely peaceful means, - - - that the person 'disturbing the peace' of others is defiant of God and suffers accordingly.
No true 'believer' is less than merciful, compassionate, and forgiving towards those others yet 'sinfully' living. For true believers never find any 'justification' to be punitive, taxing, or warring.
It is Kings, Queens, Dictators, and government departments that raise up rules, regulations, and rituals. All such are an 'invasion' upon the pure doctrine of God's divine Revelation and Command of 'PEACE unto all.'
It is religions that raise up rules, regulations, and rituals. All such are an 'invasion' upon the pure doctrine of God's divine Revelation and Command. Purity of faith is simply the daily actions (deeds) of the individual of 'PEACE unto all.'
No amount of 'prayers' or supplications offered to God can void the One Supreme Law of God.
"As you do is done unto you."
You only complete the Sacred path once you have paid all 'pain & suffering' dues to God in the fulfilment of God's 'eye for an eye' Shariah (Law) that is immutable and applies to all. The more you abuse or punish or 'fight' your perceived enemy, the further away your soul walks from the Light of Paradise and, the more 'debt' of suffering you accrue as a future spiritual due in this or the 'after' life.
The major rites or pillars (arkan) of Islam, namely the daily prayers (salat), fasting (sawm), the pilgrimage (hajj), the religious tax (zakat) and holy war (jihad), are NOT the means of sanctifying man's terrestrial life, enabling him to live and to die as a 'civil' being destined for beatitude.
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The fundamental 'right' of Islam is to surrender your mind and soul to the Wisdom of God and follow the Sacred 'WAY' of 'PEACE unto all - and - be MERCIFUL & COMPASSIONATE unto all - and - be FORGIVING unto all - and thus and only thus do you become free spiritually.
Spiritual servitude is 'bowing' to the WILL of God
The STAR prayer is an 'invocation' to the Light of God to keep you focused on the true path of Peace, so that you control the 'contra' devious thoughts and negative emotions within you as you stay 'alert' to the dangers within you.
The Star prayer assists you to TRUE fasting, being your abstinence from using darkness by negative expressions by your words or by your deeds. Spiritual purity is attained through the abstinence of using darkness.
If you 'fast' daily by abstaining from using negativity * in your deeds, you 'open' the gates of Heaven within your own soul. For 'fasting' means that you draw no dark (sin) energy into your soul. Darkness (mist of death) only enters into your soul when you use it in your expression upon others by word or deed.
Note: using negativity * - An act of: stealing, abusing, unkindness, extortion, punishing, killing etc,. (Even when lying or deceiving)
You do not need to follow 'rules' or 'rituals' of man to show God your 'belief' in Islam, you simply conform to the Wisdom of God and go your individual way in PEACE, each and every day. Thus God sees that you are true to God and HIS Command, and that your 'seed' is worthy to enter HIS land of PEACE & LOVE & eternal happiness.
Material 'rituals' such as fasting from material 'food' has naught to do with the inner spiritual journey. Men of 'religion' became confused by their own negative feelings of power, and needed 'rituals' to advance their own feelings of vanity, as they placed 'rituals' above the Sacred Word of God so that you served them and their material needs, - - - 'bowed' down to them and, - - - satiated their feelings of 'control & greed.'
The journey within to God's realm is not accomplished by any outward 'material' pilgrimage. It is accomplished by conforming to the Command of God and, - - - through 'bending' as you 'bow' to HIS Will and walk in PEACE. (InshAllah)
The TRUE 'Jihad' is the inner battle of thoughts good versus thoughts bad. For the bad thoughts emanate from within, being the telepathic thoughts from demons that arise in your mind via your inner sin (negative emotions of anger, jealousy, hatred etc)
If you 'externalise' this battle and fight against material enemies,* then you are defying the Command of God and you are NOT peaceful and by 'warring,' you FALL into the Abyss for you are an infidel. (non-believer)
Note: material enemies,* - Other people perceived as unjust, unlawful or, simply your 'enemies.'
The 'challenge' for any believer is to remain PEACEFUL, especially when faced by the 'Lion' of adversity. Being the imposition of suffering imposed upon you by God through the minds of other infidels, - - - in payment for when in your past* you too were an infidel that 'warred' - - - and did not conform to the Command of 'Peace unto all.'
Note: past* - Either during this life or, in a prior 'realm, or time, or space' of consciousness.
Page 13.
~ The pure Virgin. ~
The pure 'unsullied' VIRGIN is any person who remains TRUE to the 'call' of 'PEACE unto all' at all times and in all situations.
Any person in any walk of life who now continues to be cruel, or that administers punishment for and on behalf of themselves or the System of government, or God, - - - will by God be confined to the Abyss to serve an eternity of cruelty and suffering at the hands of other demonic 'infidels' who abide there due to their disbelief in the Power of God as well as their nonconformity to the Command of God to: "Go your way in peace and love one another."
Belonging to a 'religion' is not 'The Way.'
Conforming to the Wisdom of and Command of God - 'PEACE' - is 'The Way.'
No 'Banners, headdress, uniforms or badges,' nor attending supposedly holy shrines signifying ones allegiance to any religion, nor any other outward symbols are required by God. Your Creator God simply requires you to show HIM of your inner spirituality by your peaceful deeds, as YOU daily conform to HIS Command 'dictate' and thus you are loving, humble, respectful, kind, merciful, compassionate, forgiving and peaceful.
Align yourselves now to the TRUTH of this sacred pen of God and put down your weapons. Just set aside your rituals and 'rules' and treat your fellow mankind with respect as you forgivingly and lovingly extend mercy as you educate them to your new way by giving them the 'peaceful' example.
True Islam is therefore the uncontaminated true Word of God I now reinstate to assist all of you to reach the Land Divine.
Every 'system' of man that 'rules' other men via Decrees or Edicts 'raised up' and thrust upon God's children as 'The Law' is a satanic imposition. All those men perceived as operating 'Justly' as legislators, interferers, controllers and law enforcers who impose the 'punishment' factors attached to the rules of men will now see that they have all taken the Law of God into their own 'hands' and thus, - - - they 'fell' from grace and it is now God to impose HIS wrathful face upon them and, - - -
For every 'tear' and every 'terrorising' fear and every 'hurt' they inflicted for and on behalf of legislated rules will by God now be thrust upon them on an EQUAL and thus 'eye for an eye' RETURN basis, as they all for a time and a time entwine with demons in the Abyss below where all 'fornicators' go, being the arrogant and vain and ignorant who 'enjoy' meting out abuse by punishment under the 'cover' of rules.
None have 'immunity' from God or God's one Divine Law (Sharia) - You all 'Reap what you Sow' - This truth upon all mankind I now bestow. Prepare now your final 'bed,' for all will soon feel the dread which they imposed upon others under the 'guise' of legitimacy and Justice. All now will learn the REALITY of God's Justice.
It is NOT for man to 'bestow' punishment or 'justice,' for at that moment the 'administrator' of such as well as their supporters all place themselves within the PUNITIVE aspect of God's SHARIA. (Divine Justice: As you did unto others is to BE done unto you.)
It is ONLY for man to kindly, lovingly, mercifully and compassionately EDUCATE those others 'trapped' by God's dark energy essence and to set them free.
It is ONLY for man to 'turn the other cheek' when 'struck' a blow by an infidel or to 'go as a lamb to the slaughter' if oppressed.
It is ONLY for man to walk in the Light of God and never fight nor injure nor punish nor invade nor control others.
It is ONLY for man to 'bow in submission' to the Command of God at all times and in all circumstances:
" Go your way in peace & love one another & be merciful & compassionate & forgive your perceived enemy."
Become now free spiritually by listening to God's 'voice' through me:
"Love, forgiveness, and merciful compassion is the way to eternal paradise. Those who continue to disturb the peace of MY land will be confined for eternity as is spoken by ME through my dove."
Page 14.
Reflections on the 'protection' of ones soul by Allah/God.
How does God protect mortal man from loss or suffering or spiritual death?
It is simply by man accepting and thus 'bowing' in obedience to the Wisdom given unto mankind by God.
Man professes by mouth of his allegiance to his saviour (God) but in fact man by deed does the opposite as he fights others. (His oppressors) Man also believes that God is so merciful and compassionate that He will thus save man. This is the deception of the Dark devilish force.
God COMMANDS man to: "Go your way in peace and love one another and be merciful and compassionate and forgive your perceived enemy as you 'turn the other cheek' if abused and 'die' as a 'lamb to the slaughter' if persecuted' in non-retaliation.”
THE Commands of our Sovereign Power God state:
1 - "I your God COMMAND you to go your way in peace and love one another and be merciful and compassionate and if you are abused then you must turn the other cheek in non-retaliation and forgive your perceived enemy because, ONLY in this way do you pay outstanding spiritual dues to Me as you suffer. ONLY in this way do you not accrue any further dues to Me your God because you are no longer causing harm to others."
2 - "I your God FORBID you to use My DARK forceful and controlling and destructive energy essence in your interaction with others because the USE thereof results in the CAUSING OF HARM and destruction and it is My prerogative to so do but not yours."
OBEDIENCE TO GOD PROTECTS ONES FLESH
OBEDIENCE TO GOD PROTECTS ONES SOUL
There is only ONE ‘Law’ – “As you do is done unto you – As you ‘sow’ so shall ye REAP.”
Political mortal man needs to now learn that their 'vote' into POWER does not legalise their defiance of God's COMMANDS above, neither does it void or nullify or overrule the implementation of God's singular LAW of EQUAL RETURN given above.
God's 'anchor' is total obedience to HIS Holy Word “Love one another” - God's counsel is: ONLY use my LIGHT creative energy in your interaction with others as you OBEY my Command (1) above and THUS the return aspect via others will BE loving, kindly, compassionate, merciful and forgiving.
It is all very simple because God has 'twin' energies, the benign creative LIGHT and the malignant destructive DARK. Both of these energies are a Law unto themselves and the Law being:
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" - "As you do is done unto you."
It follows that God cannot 'protect' man from using His energies because it is ones freedom of choice to so do. But God commands man to ONLY use His benign Light ENERGY in the knowledge that when one does so, one revolves within ITS aspect of THE LAW and ONLY receives a return of 'love' flowing back through others.
Conversely, when man defies the WISDOM of God and uses the DARK, forceful, destructive energy essence of God causing harm, loss and destruction, then man receives a return of agony and suffering as man is forced to 'endure' EQUALLY all he so arrogantly IMPOSED upon his sisters and brothers. This punitive return is via the mind and hands of others equally ignorant of THE IMMUTABLE LAW OF ENERGY.
Man sees NOT that when he uses the Light energy of God it grows within and brightens his SOUL and its rarefied vibration is what uplifts man up into Heaven.
Man sees NOT that when using the Dark energy of God it grows within and darkens his SOUL and its coarse vibration is what drags man down into the depths of the Dark.
The principles laid out in this document are those of TRUE spirituality and the salvation 'way' and the CORRECT teaching. Any 'activity' which conflicts with the principles laid out in this document is ERROR and is forbidden by God.
All 'canonical' laws, rules, acts, dictates, rituals or statutes of EVERY 'religion' are now abolished by this pen. There is only ONE 'Law of God' as revealed above and any person teaching or preaching other than the 'said' above are the 'works of men' emanating from Satan's den.
Every supposedly 'sacred' or other book of 'texts' of man having ANY punitive 'rules or laws or decrees' must be placed in a FIRE.
As decreed by MY sacred pen, the pen of God
I Imam al-Mahdi the Spirit of Truth have spoken - Terence.

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Muhammad Hajjar · 2024-03-18 22:15:33

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By the way let me answer 42. And let me tell you, I don't mean to offend at all, and this is not my personal opinion, this is the opinion of the religion. Why does Islam prevent non-Muslims from entering Mecca or the boundaries of the holy mosque? The simple answer is because they are considered unclean. Allah commanded the believers to prevent any polytheist, male or female, from entering the Holy Mosque, because it's said that the polytheist is unclean, externally and internally, so it's not permissible for them to enter the Holy Mosque, which is Mecca and the Holy Mosque around it. I have plenty of sources if you want me to provide them, besides this is what we have been taught since we were children.

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Muhammad Hajjar · 2024-03-18 22:39:35

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I agree with 61. There's a difference between enforcing law for the benefit of people and protecting the public from harm, and between oppressing a person and interfering with their personal life, opinions and beliefs.

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Yeah but Islamic writings are what causes such oppression. People who aren't familiar with the Quran don't know what their authoritative officials really stand for. They are blissfully unaware that their beloved prophet says that the testimony of 2 women is equal to that of 1 man, and that he beat the shit out of his wives til their skims turned as green as the veils they wore, and suddenly they wonder why all the women in their countries are treated like property. They are blissfully unaware that their prophet had such animosity against Jews and Christians, and suddenly cry out in protest at the violence against them. My point is that its not ok to accept something just because it is law, you have to look at the reasoning behind it too. I didn't say not to blindly accept what people tell you for nothing. The best way to know something is to studdy the source yourself, then draw your own conclusion. If you let people spoon feed you information, they can twist it to serve their own purpose, and you would be none the wiser. I habe had people tell me that yes, this type of stuff is in the Quran, and as it is said, where there is smoke, there is fire.

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@66
you said:

he beat the shit out of his wives til their skims turned as green as the veils they wore,

can you supply the proof of this? Because what you have claimed, goes against everything I have read in Islam in my research.
Secondly, allow me to be direct: Its a form of biggotry to consider one's opinion as the absolute truth and everyone else as nothing but false ones. As a matter of fact, women in Asia and africa enjoy far more content lives as compared to those of the western culture. not only women but most of the people live more content lives in the developing countries as compared to so-called developed nations. the rate of suicides, rate of divorces, number of rapes per day, all of these qualifiers are far more higher in the united states than any other country in the world. Did you know that UK is rated as the second most mentally stressed nation in the world?
Its not only religion but everything has been used as tools by the powerful nations to subjugate the others. religion is only one of the victums, anyone who has read a little bit about the history of British empire should know the concept of "white man's burden" the concept british used to justify killing of millions around the globe. or how about several so-called defense objectives that united states has used so far since ww2 to kill more than 10 million people directly or indirectly via actions taken. do you know that even now Iraqis cant drill their own Oil fields to make themselves economically strong because American companies will lose money, and they cant have that? what about what Isreal has been doing to poor palestinians since the 70s? and since october 7th? you might know the number of israelis killed in the october 7th attack by hamas, but do you know that so far more than 40000 innocent palestinians have been brutely slaughtered without giving them a reason for doing so? capitalism, communism, religion, civilization, and countless more, all of these things have been used to oppress people throughout the history and is still being done to date.

Another thing that I have come across for so long is that people in the West, they consider everybody else to be stupid monkeys banging stones, they have no regard for the customs and values of any other nation but what they consider to be what's civil and what's not. when, most of the population lives outside united states and europe, so, may I ask what gives them the right to judge others by their own standards? Isnt that another form of oppression?
As for the claims about the Holy Prophet PBUH considering Christians and Jews to be enemies, I think that you yourself havent studied the history yourself, or else you would know the reasons how that animosity came into be. You might have missed the fact that it was the jewish of yathrab who started the coup and attacked first rather than the Holy Prophet PBUH. the the Jewish people of khaibar were the ones to gather arms and made plans to assault madina first only then they were declared against. There are a lot of examples I can put forward but I doubt that those will be justly accepted, because I know the fact about humans,unless they open their minds to change, they will consider everything else as inferior and false.

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sightlessHorseman · 2024-03-19 18:00:50

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At 64 so wait, everyone who is not faithful to the islam religion is considered unholy and unclean? Sorry, just twisted and absurd beyond anything. If I would ever believe in a god, I'd never follow such a religion.
Hmm, now I wonder, what would happen if christians would bar Muslims from visiting the vatican city, the dome ofcologne and what else there is in holy sights, ah, this could be entertaining.

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eagalon · 2024-03-19 18:04:44

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bashue wrote:

As decreed by MY sacred pen, the pen of God
I Imam al-Mahdi the Spirit of Truth have spoken - Terence.

I can't help but find this person extremely erogant, He uses things from various sources, that already exist nothing new, but gives them his own spin, and in doing so, considers himself to be an only authority on anything related to God. which, pardon me for being direct, is extremely stupid and nothing else. You can believe what ever he says, but do not expect me to believe a single word of that writing without a miracle, because he professes himself to be a messenger of Allah, but he can't provide a single proof of his so-called divine mandate. that's totally absurd.
But if you wish to believe in it, then its your choice, I do hope that we meet on the day of Judgement though, so that one of us can at least say to the other "I told you so."

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eagalon · 2024-03-19 18:35:43

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@68:
found the following answer written by someone on quarra in response to the similar question:

Edit: Before commenting kindly read the full answer.
Answer:
Allah has not revealed any verse in Quran, that explicitly prohibits Monotheists/”People of the Books” to visit Ka’ba. For polytheists, there are different interpretations.
PROPHET ABARAHAM BUILT KA’ABA FOR MANKIND:
When Allah mentions about follower of Quran, he specifically says “O you who believe” (“Ya ayyuhal lazina amanu”), while “Mankind” is used for more general statement.
“[It is] the place whereon Abraham once stood; and whoever enters it finds inner peace. Hence, pilgrimage unto the Temple is a duty owed to God by ALL PEOPLE who are able to undertake it.. (Quran 3:97).
“For, when We assigned unto Abraham the site of this Temple, [We said unto him:]
1. “Do not ascribe divinity to aught beside Me!”
2. and: “Purify My Temple for those
a. who will walk around it, AND
b. those who will stand before it [in meditation], AND
c. those who will bow down and prostrate themselves [in prayer].” (Quran 22:26)
JUST IN THE NEXT 2 VERSES OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED VERSE, DUTY OF ABRAHAM PBUH WAS IMPOSED ON PROPHET MUHAMMAD PBUH, AND HE WAS TOLD TO DELIVER THE SAME INSTRUCTION:
Again, pilgrimage is for all people (as prophet Muhammad was told to proclaim), excluding the group that was later specifically prohibited by 9:28.
Hence, [O Muhammad,] PROCLAIM thou UNTO ALL PEOPLE the [duty of] pilgrimage: they will come unto thee on foot and on every [kind of] fast mount, coming from every far-away point [on earth]. So that they might experience much that shall be of benefit to them…” (quran 22:26–28)
“Then let them their prescribed duties and fulfill their vows, and circumambulate the House [the] Ancient. That and whoever honors (the) sacred rites (of) Allah, then it (is) best for him near his Lord.” (Quran 22:29–30)
PILGRIMAGE RIGHT AT KA'BA IS PROHIBITED BY GOD ONLY FOR POLYTHEISTS:
Islam is pure monotheist religion. Whenever a partner is associated with the monotheist God, it is considered as mixing impurity in pure monotheism. Hence, the polytheists are considered having “impure” belief regarding oneness of God. As, mentioned in point 1 of verse 22:26 above, Ka’ba is for monotheists only, that prophet Abraham established and later taken away by idolators. Prophet Muhammad was sent in Arab to restore purity of that house (remember the phrase mentioned to Abraham pbuh in above 22:26, “purify my temple for those…”). That’s why, when in chapter 29, prophet conquered Mekkah, Mekkan polytheists were prohibited to perform their pilgrimage any more. Mekkan Muslims feared financial loss due to this decision (since, pilgrimage brings earning), but still it was made prohibited by God. Description in such details, proves the fact that, this verse is meant to specifically prohibiting “pilgrimage”.
“O YOU who have attained to faith! Those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God are nothing but impure: and so they shall not approach the Inviolable House of Worship from this year onwards And should you fear poverty, then [know that] in time God will enrich you out of His bounty, if He so wills: for, verily, God is all-knowing, wise” (Quran 9:28)
Also, other verses prove that, the format of prayer of Mekkan pagans were not the approved format mentioned in point a,b and c of 22:26. Their prayers were only “whistling” and “clapping”.
“And their prayer at the House was not except whistling and handclapping… (Quran 8:35)
ARE POLYTHEISTS EVEN PROHIBITED TO VISIT KA'BA (NOT FOR PILGRIMAGE)?
Now, question remains, were they only prohibited to do pilgrimage or even to enter? In above verse, the word “najis” is used. This word is used only once in Quran. It has 2 meanings. It can be used to describe both-physical or spiritual impurity. According to Islamic theology, polytheism is spiritual impurity. But do we really consider polytheists physically impure? Muslims are not prohibited to touch polytheists, share food with them or eat food cooked by them (marriage is prohibited since they can lead them toward idolatry, not because they are physically unclean 2:221). They are not considered as physically impure, hence their entry cannot make the ka’ba premises unclean. If in today’s world a polytheist go to visit ka’ba, definitely they will not go there to perform pilgrimage.
There were many non-muslim slaves living in Makkah in post prophetic time. So, prohibition of their entry in whole city is completely illogical. There were also grave of pagans near Ka'aba during prophet's life. They used to visit the area for burial.
I agree that, non-muslim should not be allowed to visit ka’ba due to security reason (though previous attacks on ka’ba were actually carried out by heretic Muslim sects) and long queue of Muslims, to get chance. But, I CANNOT DEFINITELY SAY THAT, ALLAH HIMSELF HAS PROHIBITED THE ENTRY OF ALL NON-MUSLIMS.
HANAFI SCHOOL OF THOUGHT IN THIS MATTER:
Hanafis generally hold that it is allowed for non-Muslims to enter both the Sacred Mosque and others. They believe that the mere presence of non-Muslims inside the mosque does not contaminate it. It was reported that the Prophet [peace and blessings be upon him] allowed the non-Muslim delegation of Thaqeef into the mosque and said: ‘Nothing causes the earth to become impure’.
Non-Muslim tourists entering the mosque, is it allowed?
WAS MEKKA PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED FOR PEOPLE OF THE BOOK?
A quote from a text available from 1564 (when Mekka was under ottoman 1229–1923) MAY INDICATE that Mekka was open for people of the book : ‘No Muslims and believers in the unity of God should be hindered in any way if he wishes to visit the Holy Cities and circumambulate the luminous Ka’ba [in Mecca].’42 42. M.D., vol. 6, f. 17, firman no. 39, 1564-5, quoted by Faroqhi, op. cit. 147 (Ottoman imperial firman).
So, yes you can say that Allah hasn’t disallowed entry of non-muslims (either polytheist or monotheists), neither in Makkah nor in Ka’ba premise. He only forbidden Pagan hajj ritual to take place in Ka'ba. If Christians and Jews want to perform pilgrimage around the house built by their father Abraham pbuh, they should be allowed. That is what God told to prophet Muhammad.
““Then let them their prescribed duties and fulfill their vows, and circumambulate the House [the] Ancient. “ (Quran 22:30).
There is no verse that prohibits entry of any one in Medina, as far I remember

Hope it helps.

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You know, there are many other books besides the Quran that many Muslims consider Canon, because they describe the life, sayings and exploits of the prophet Mohamad. It is in one of these accounts where such a beating was recorded, where even his wife aisha said that Muslim women had it worst of all, so they took refuge with one another.

And in regards to all the hate expressed towards news and Christians in the Quran, does it really matter who started a fight? Mohamad died cursing those that hurt him, Jesus died praying to God for their forgiveness. It doesn't matter which God or prophet you believe in, when you retaliate with hatred against those that hurt you, you are no better than they. This is why it is extremely dangerous to follow 1 person, because everyone has their flaws.

Has anyone ever heard of the jizia? Thats the tax you have to pay in a Muslim nation if you are not a Muslim, otherwise you are vulnerable to punishment. Mohamad instituted that. I haven't even heard of anything so stupid until a few years ago. We take our religious freedom for granted here, but thats the kind of stuff they have to deal with. I don't agree with bashue on a lot of things, but all the evidence and sources they provide, you gotta give em credit, and see things for what they are, and not for what religious leaders tell you.

They say that Islam is a religion of peace, but Mohamad waged an 18 year holy war during his lifetime, a war that is still ongoing among "extremests" to this day. They say that the Quran has been perfectly preserved, but there are at least 26 different versions of the Quran, each saying something different in much of their text. I'm not trying to start a fight here, and I don't harbor any hatred towards anyone, its just the teachings and the fear and discord they have caused that I object to, and judging by the course of this thread, even among Muslims themselves, I am not the only one who object.

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Muhammad Hajjar · 2024-03-19 22:21:27

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As a matter of fact, women in Asia and africa enjoy far more content lives as compared to those of the western culture. not only women but most of the people live more content lives in the developing countries as compared to so-called developed nations. the rate of suicides, rate of divorces, number of rapes per day, all of these qualifiers are far more higher in the united states than any other country in the world. Did you know that UK is rated as the second most mentally stressed nation in the world?

I completely disagree with you, sir. There is no comparison between life in Asia, the Middle East, or developing countries and life in Europe and America. I live in Asia, in one of the best and most developed countries in it, and I've read about many cultures and talked to people from different cultures and countries. I've visited the United States and learned about the people and life there and stayed there for more than a month. Soon I will visit Europe if I have the opportunity.
There is no doubt that life and happiness rates are higher in America and Europe than in other developing countries, and the statistics you mentioned prove that. Despite the psychological and social challenges that many Americans face due to the poor economic situation in many parts of the United States, the lifestyle based on democracy and respect for individual freedom remains the best.
If the United States has some economic problems, what about Canada and the people of Scandinavian countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and others? They are considered among the happiest people on earth, and various statistics prove that.
As for your argument that these countries have the highest suicide rates, I can easily debunk it. They don't have the highest suicide rates, but they do have an interest in the psychological aspect and recording statistics related to psychological aspects of mental health problems and what results from them, such as suicide. They don't have high rates, but in reality, I see that the people around me suffer from mental health problems more than Americans, Canadians or Europeans, as they are covered up due to the stigma surrounding visiting a psychologist or the like. Not to mention suicide itself and the secrecy and concealment surrounding it.
The reality is: America and Europe don't have the highest suicide rates, but suicide is recorded and counted there, while it is covered up here. I personally know many people who suffer mentally, and in my midst and my city, I swear by the most precious thing I have that I'm honest in this. I know two who committed suicide, the first is a university professor here who killed himself with a gun on the roof of a house, and the second is a girl from my mother's acquaintances who committed suicide by throwing herself from the roof of her house. Another person, a close friend of mine in the same city too, also attempted suicide but survived with permanent disability. Were these recorded in your statistics that you claim? Haha, impossible. The matter was covered up and hidden from people, let alone any statistics on mental health issues, if any exist at all. Rape btw is also kept secret here, you know, the matter of honor and such. In walkways in my city if a woman shows just a bit of her hair under her hijab she gets chaced and harassed by guys, while when I was in the United States, women were naked on the beach in bikinis and no one gave a damn as if they had no sexual desire at all lol.
How can we be the happiest people when we don't even dare to express our opinions for fear of society and people? Not only your opinion, but even any behavior in your daily life that they don't like or are not used to. Our leaders and governments are trying to change that, and we have made good progress, but the majority still insist on stubbornly clinging to the past and imposing it on others, which puts you, dear citizen, under mental pressure from the authority of the society, not the authority of the government.

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Muhammad Hajjar · 2024-03-19 22:27:54

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PS: I don't necessarily claim that life in Asia and the Middle East is miserable, but it doesn't honestly rise to the level of claiming that it's better than life for Europeans and Americans.

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I will also add that among Asians, especially among Japanese, the pressure to do well and fit into cultural norms is very strong, so because of it, suicide rates are very high, so its not just a problem of western culture. As for divorce rates, people are likely more willing to go through with it if it the threat of death isn't looming over their heads as a result.

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Muhammad Hajjar · 2024-03-19 23:26:29

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@70 so you're saying that everything we've been taught since childhood is wrong? Just say that in public or on social media and you'll get tons of attacks from our mates saying you're trying to be cute and soften up religion. And yes, being cute is something you'll be ashamed of. If you don't believe me, just search for the term "المسلم الكيوت" on any platform you want and enjoy. Good luck translating though.

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