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@49
I guess if I take you so literally that I believe you do think 98% of the world dying is a good thing, I can reinterpret your words to not be a contradiction. But, you know, I don't do that because thinking 98% of the world dying is a good thing is completely nuts.
Imagine how many departments would shut down if everyone refused to pay thieves? Yes the wicked will riot for a good long while and they will turn on both those who refuse to line their pockets and each other until the wicked kill each other off, leaving only the meek and mild left here. I believe that in that event, up to 98% of the world's population would perish leaving only 2% of the global population to rebuild. Once the destructive season is over and the rebuilding process has concluded, the golden age will commence and it will be literally like heaven here on earth. I look forward to that happening, even if I am one of those who would have to dye in order to bring about the golden age of peace, tranquillity and enlightenment. Would I be right in thinking that most people don't want to live in a world without any conflict or strife? That is what heaven is truly like, there is no conflict nor strife and it will be the same here. For those who believe differently to Brother Terence or those who don't believe at all, it's a good thing that belief is not required to make it into heaven and to become one of the mild and meek. The only requirements are to be nice, helpful to those in need and to never retaliate when someone punishes you and to never cause harm in the first place, that is all that is needed. Remember, I'm only talking about the testament of truth, not any other system of belief or religion. I will leave those alone because I am not qualified to talk about them. As for helping those in need, nobody can be expected to help everyone, that is an impossibility. If any in need come your way, even giving free advice and good counsel is helping someone in need. Even saying 'good day' is charity. We're never expected to help people while leaving ourselves destitute and helpless. We're not even expected to be without savings either and we should never live in an age where inflation is a reality. To have our money devalued not just each and every year but each and every day... It's madness. We should actually have a lot less money to go around with the value of said money being infinitely more than it currently is. Gone are the days when you could buy a car for $290. Want to know why inflation is a thing? We pay thieves and each time we do, they expect more off of us. Stores have to raise their prices in order to cover the costs of the thieves' demands and the customer has to fork out more. Is VAT a necessary evil? It wouldn't be if people weren't always on the take and we're all falling for it thinking that it's a normal part of life. People complain about it but are unwilling to do anything about it, like never paying thieves and instead taking the alternative punishment. For a time, everything will grind to a halt until all the greedy and vociferous swine off one another and I really look forward to when that happy hour is at hand. Want proof of what I speak from the testament of truth? Read the bankers and taxation document and the ensurance paper. Want proof outside the testament of truth? Look around you and you'll find that everyone is finding it difficult to live with the rising cost of even basic goods. As for those who are on benefits, notice that the governments are giving us more money in order to help combat the cost of living. That is actually a bad thing if you truly look at it. In order for the governments to give people who are on benefits more, they have to increase taxes in order to cover such a cost which in turn puts more strain on the working class and they are more impoverished making it more difficult for them to sustain themselves and those who depend on them and it's just a huge fuck up that has truly gone out of hand. Why should we live this way? Why should we depend on or have to depend on welfare? Why can't some of us sustain ourselves? There's a simple and horrible reason for this and that's because some of us aren't allowed to be self sufficient. Note that I said some, not all. It's all kinds of fucked up and I don't see why we should have to put up with it. That's why I look forward to everything shutting down for a while. I don't know when this event will occur but when it does, it will be the beginning of the end when all evil and iniquity will be swept away.
wow. So much for being loving and compassionate...
#49:
how comforting that you can rejoice in the deaths of the majority of humanity and refer to them as animals, so long as, you know, you're helpful to people, please note, *as you see it*. The fact that you don't see the problem with this tells me all I need to know about the craziness you subscribe to. I mean, you're not violent, right? You just have some fantasies about what those wicked pigs will end up doing to each other to bring on the world of righteousness!
You won't see this either, but I'll point it out anyway, for those playing along at home. You opined:
"Imagine how many departments would shut down if everyone refused to pay thieves? Yes the wicked will riot for a good long while and they will turn on both those who refuse to line their pockets and each other until the wicked kill each other off, leaving only the meek and mild left here. I believe that in that event, up to 98% of the world's population would perish leaving only 2% of the global population to rebuild."
So I mean, you're kind of causing this gigantic murder spree that will kill off the vast majority of humanity. Ayn Rand does the same thing in her incredibly dumb novel Atlas Shrugged, there, her argument is that the only way the vast majority of humanity survives is because men who know what they're doing do stuff. So John Galt, super genius boy, preaches them away to a hidden valley, and the world basically collapses. At the end of the book, they come out, preparing to rebuild.
Your argument is "stop paying governments and everything will collapse, then we can rebuild". Other than an obsession with smart people having their money stolen while they support the entire rest of the world that's too dumb to figure it out for themselves, same basic idea. In both cases you're deliberately advocating and doing the thing you know will result in massive amounts of dead people, who did nothing whatsoever to deserve it. Just because, say, Tina decides to pay taxes to support schools for her kids, well if she dies once that stops, too damn bad I guess. Here you go buddy, have some tragedy revenge porn to help you get to sleep tonight.
https://aynrandcontrahumannature.blogsp … -full.html
Thank you khomus, I will purchase the book, that excerpt was a most excellent read.
I don't remember, offhand, the specific details, but Ayn Rand did not live what she preaches at all. You're going to fall into the trap anyway, but no one takes her seriously and with good reason.
If Ayn Rand never practiced what she preached, I guess it'll be up to me to live what I preach then. It won't be a utopia, not at first at any rate but if my dreams are to be realised, I must act as though they are now reality even though they aren't as of yet. I'm talking about living as though the golden age is at hand meaning we're not there yet but it's very close to being realised. I only wish I could let you see that I do indeed live this way. If there is any way for me to prove this in a concrete way, please let me know how and I'll gladly prove it.
Edit: Even if you don't accept responsibility, you still seem pretty stoked about all of this death that's going to happen. Also for everybody's, well certainly not enjoyment, here's a blog post I wrote ages ago about some more issues I have with Ayn Rand and Objectivism, from her non-fiction (supposedly), with extensive quotes, I'm sure our 98% of humanity are pigs friend will love this and agree with it entirely.
https://khomus.wordpress.com/2011/04/17 … -ayn-rand/
Dude, nobody has questioned how you live. We just think your statements that, hey, if 98% of humanity has to die and will die to bring about the golden age, oh well, hey ho! are fucking monstrous. You're letting yourself off the hook by claiming to not do "harm in the first place", but then claiming that the thing that will bring about the mass death of humanity, and the subsequent golden age, is you and lots of other people not paying taxes.
But you don't see that what this means is, by not paying taxes, as an example, you are in fact directly responsible for the harm which will result. It's like you're saying, look, I know if we stop feeding this lion, which we brought here in the first place, it will escape and devour every single child in this town with at least ten thousand children. But I'm sorry, I've just decided that anything eating meat is wrong, so I've decided that we're all refusing to feed this lion anymore. But good news, once it eats all of your children, the golden age will begin, somehow!
You are in fact directly responsible for all of the deaths caused by the lion, since you could very easily have stopped them. So congratulations, you're maybe not doing harm on a very local scale, but you want to contribute to harm far vaster than all of the wars throughout history combined. Good job! Not surprised at *all* that you liked that scene BTW, not in the slightest.
@57, I mean, we're talking about the same Christianity that believes that the prophecies in the Bible are all coming true and that the world is ending because God wants to punish us, not because Climate Change might be causing it, and that the only way to be "saved" is to, uh, repent and atone to Jesus and adopt God as your savior? Or something ridiculous like that. As though praying to God will magically protect you from the wrath and destructive power of nature.
I don't think their claim is as coherent as not paying taxes is what brings about this 98% apocalypse. I'm not sure what their claim is at all other than that apparently 98% of the world is going to die and that's okay.
Even Hitler wasn't planning to kill 98% of the world. Like if the bar you can't clear is "this is worse than what Hitler wanted"...I mean...idk. I'm not sure like at what point saying I don't think they even know what they're saying is a personal attack, you know? But we seem to be well beyond it.
you know, bashue, Back in the ramadan thread I still believe you're a decent human being even though your believe is different than the majority of us here. But that all falls apart when I read post 46 in this topic. What happened to your, we should only be loving and never be hateful to each other? don't make that claim when you're literally hating on most of humanity yourself.
@60, same thing, brother. What is going on?Killing off 98% of humanity? I mean, really? That's beyond what you'd call crazy, more insane than insanity itself!
Okay I'll try to explain this. I've just reread post 46 and I see no contradiction here. I like my brother have advocated to only give good counsel and education to people rather than punishing them for any reason. You've read it and I still stick to it. What I'm talking about in post 46 are people who are so hell bent on stealing from us and one another that if we don't give in to their demands, they will riot, they will wage war and kill each other off. In my argument, I exclude anyone who will never cause harm to any other soul. That means that I myself will never partake in the era of destruction. However, the reason why I look forward to the end times commencing is because once it is over, we won't see another era of destruction for a very long time to come. The world will heal and those who desire to cause strife will not be allowed to incarnate into this plane of existence until the golden age ends. That is the reason I look forward to it. I am in no way stating that I will wage war on them, I'm stating that I will not contribute to their iniquity. Is every world leader guilty of sowing iniquity? Indeed they are, there isn't one who can state that they are clean and who don't live off of other people. Their militaries and those in office are just as guilty. That is who I am referring to when I talk about 98% of the world's population, those people and those who support the world leaders' wrought, not the simple people just living their lives, trying to make ends meet and doing the best they can to live in an ever increasingly hostile world. I'm not talking about the poor and down trodden, I'm not talking about the every day common folk who just want to be left in peace. What I did in post 46 was state simply that if those who wish to wage war because we refuse to pay them don't turn over a new leaf and become self sufficient from today, they will be responsible for the deaths of millions just as it is stated in the testament of truth. Why should we, the common people, live under their tyranny? Don't we deserve better than this? I will quote passages from it directly to prove my point. Unfortunately the render unto Caesar paper would cause me to break my promise to not talk about other religions without quoting their scriptures so I'll just link to it instead. I will paste from the testament of truth book however. I pray this finds you well.
Now is the Time of the insane “Season,” and you ALL must understand the “Reason,” that in the past, you did “abuse” and “take,” and God’s WILL must you now “break.”
For Father must 'do unto you what you did when untrue.' This IS the LAW of God’s “Hand” that will be seen in every “Land” that IS outside Heaven. All eat not of God’s Leaven, the Wisdom I did bring so that you could in Heaven sing.
So now “Prepare” to in the “face” of darkness “stare,” If you IT deny, you will eternally cry. Take your “Punishment” as you go, calmly, then, only then, will it “slow.”
IF you continually retaliate, forever will darkness you berate. Try to my message understand, that God has a very heavy hand, that is, upon all who deny the call to LOVE, Mother’s eternal cry.
We only “believe” what we are taught, and this belief can with danger be fraught, for Religion & Truth are far apart, THUS the Messiah gives a fresh start. Bringing pure truth to all whom on earth stroll, so that it can “draw out,” a response from the soul of any seeking aspirant under the sun.
Matters not their Creed, OR what they “have” done, and thus, at this “End time,” God’s love does again on earth entwine through the mind of a simple man, “God’s pen,” that does earth now span with God’s message for all to see, that is, any who’d forever be free.
So any who on its “living water” sup,
will for sure fall not to the satanic pup.
Many have been taught “Jesus did you save.” This is untruth emanating from the “knave.” Jesus came to “Set you free” through heeding God’s WORD he spoke freely.
And, the Spirit of Truth does again on earth walk to teach all how darkness does us stalk daily. Through each and every mind, thus, we are unkind and also totally blind in that God’s call we cannot heed and we continue to mercilessly make many bleed. Totally denying our God of love who says, “Please TRY,” from up above.
So this dove now bequeaths to you The Testament of Truth, his Legacy true. Read it if you “have the time.” Let your mind and soul with pure truth dine. It is God’s WORD that IS the way, I God’s MESSENGER say today.~ Earthly Leaders. ~
Who are the leaders we "appoint."? Who are the leaders we "anoint" with power that unlimited be, with power that doth destroy thee and me.? For these leaders lead us into HELL, these leaders ring their own bell. These leaders are full of greed, these leaders destruction breed.
Why do we appoint such authority, one of such arrogant impropriety? Why follow men who lead us astray from the WORD God speaks every day?
That say : “We must compassionate be.”
That say : “Lay down your weapons and follow me.”
That say : “Love one another.”
That say : “ALL are sister and brother.”
So I say as along I plod, "I say now heed GOD. Follow not men who are untrue. Let God be the ONE to guide you, and this guidance direct to you be. Can you, I ask, this not see?"
Just ABIDE in what God does say each and every day. From now on heed me, only thus will you freed be. Follow not the society, the one of arrogant impropriety.
You now have the choice, you now must heed God's voice and do what you must do to now to God, be true. If you are a simple soul bearing "arms" as along you stroll, lay them down upon the ground, ONLY this way your freedom found.
And you "leaders" who heed not this pen, seek deep and become Godly men, doing the right thing for "your" flock. Don't flout authority and thus them, and your souls mock.~ WORLD LEADERS. ~
I write to all world leaders today, for 'tis they leading humanity astray as they their own will impose, thus denying the "peoples" rose, their wish, as to what they would do, for all leaders I see are untrue.
They would all control, as arrogantly and vainly they stroll around their giant office "block," as all others around they do mock, saying :
“Now look at me, I am in a position of invincibility and I shall send you out to die if at any time I do espy that another would take my place, I shall destroy them, via you, with a mace.”
So round and round we go and the insanity does daily grow, and the people become more tired of the devil they have sired.
So, "Soon all leaders will die," is what I hear from God up high, “For they send out people to die, denying their Creator up high.” So I call out now to you, and you, all earthly leaders who'd be true.
Stop being part of this "shame" or you'll end up "below" with no name. God says:
"Blessed mercy be, and allow all my children to roam free. If their daily freedom you deny, 'tis me who will you try."
So brothers and sisters dear who control any through fear, now is the time to heed me or forever you'll below confined be.~ The "Preamble" to God's Constitution. ~
All whom would be TRUE TO GOD and thus their own souls need now to walk "outside" the Constitution of man and thus turn direct to God as theirHead of house.
This implies that all whom so do are not subjects "of" nor subject "to" either the Law of man nor man's "anointed or appointed." Thus they are not subject to being "taxed" or "licensed" by man.
These "Subjects of God," being God's chosenon this earth will just daily walk their road in a positive caring way. Forgiving those who trespass against them by turning the "other" cheek in the face of adversity and remaining meek, and they will 'recognise' that what they Sow they will Reap.
These "Children of God" acknowledge that God has set them free from the bondage placed upon them by man inspired by Satan, in that having chosen to walk outside the"protection"of man's armed forces that they will be "subject" to persecution by 'ignorant' man until their past "accrued" spiritual debts are paid in full.
These children of God will do their daily work without paying "license fee" or "registration fee" to man. They will contribute freely as they see fit to their local community or "Council" for maintenance of roads, schools, hospitals or other community or private services.
They will defend no person against persecutors, and will themselves stand "unarmed" in the face of adversity and will "die" as lambs to the slaughter if it is so required by God.
They will refuse any "extortion" by threat, being demands of money by any "civil" or uncivil "mandated by man" officials, and if persecuted unto the court of man will proceed there and remain "mute" and take whatever is meted out.
They will pay no monetary fine but will be prepared for the alternative punishment. They will aid all members of the community and if in need will ask for assistance, and they will pay their own way and not expect the greater community to care for them.
These children of God will "pave the way" for the new order to be on earth where no "man" will demand off any other, nor will they elevate themselves above any other, nor will they control any other in any way.
All taxation will cease and all "controlling & punitive forces" will be a thing of the past as earthlings do their God daily greet in a true Christian way. That is the "say" of God today.~ God’s Constitution. ~
Every earthly Constitution is “unwise,” they all ‘deny’ our God of the skies who says :
“The only “safe” Constitution is MY WAY, that of :
Being loving each day.
It is up to no man to decide how any other will on earth stride. It is for no man to say: ‘I am elected democratically, thus heed my say.’Every politician or ‘blue blooded’ king is a megalomaniacal dictator who will‘sting’ their enemies over the sea if they ‘think’ that they 'overpowered' may be.
Children, I your God do speak. Your ‘personal’ freedom must you all seek, and you only attain it one way as said, by being ‘loving’* in every way.
In whatever country you live you must be respectful to all
and ‘GIVE’ of what you have to others each day.
IT is MY Constitutional way. Any of you who try to IT avoid for sure now all fall into the VOID, for in the ‘guise’ of ‘the majority’ you did one elect and his controlling 'rules' did say :“All must do it our way, or you’ll reflect upon what to you we’ll do if to our command you follow not through,”and that control over you is negative and enslaving.
Try and now see your way clear
and to My fresh WORDS draw personally near.
You ‘may’ people elect but not to you control or protect, only to assist the disbursement of funds you freely give so that others ‘elsewhere’ can happier live.
Other than this, each goes their OWN way, doing what they are inspired to by ME each day, and whatever any other does do, you personally just be - respectful, kind and true."
Note: ‘loving’* - Kind, caring, compassionate, merciful, respectful, and forgiving, and never 'disturb the peace' of others.
That is the Constitutional way of God your Creator to every earthly person.
"Any who heed not My call to be loving will die."
That is the message from your Creator up high.
now hold on a sec.
@Bashue: I don't mean to disrespect you and all that, but I thaught you actually followed the truth. But seeing your posts about 98% of humanity having to die and all that, I'm sorry but those are nothing but the words of a heretic person, who ever he/she is that teaches that. I don't subscribe to your words, that's not christianity and that's not what we're called to proclaim.
We're called to proclaim eternal life for those who repent and give their lives to Jesus Christ, that's what the gospel is all about. It has nothing to do with 98% of humanity having to be killed or what not, "for I don't want the death of the wicked says the Lord". Also, what about those anty state claims when God's word says that all the authorities have been established by God himself?
@27
No, science is the knowledge of everything, it's just incomplete. You're making the mistake everyone makes. The difference is that scientists see a question without an answer and go "wow, that's interesting, bet we'll figure it out one day" and then try to do that; religious people see a question and go "wow, grace of god, we can't know everything because we are only human so we shouldn't really try, guess we'll find out when we die and go to heaven". Every time science has had some set of impossible questions that everyone swears humans can't answer, you wait a hundred years at most and look, answers. It wasn't that long ago that people thought we would never understand muscles and that they were powered by this energy from god called elan vital, that fire came from phlogiston, and that digestion was a spiritual process. None of these turned out to be true, but the scientists kept going because handwaving bothers scientists, they want to know. Science has given you...basically everything that matters to your quality of life. Indeed we are even going through the most profound iteration of this right now. 15 years ago there was no way computers could do poetry or compose music because humans have souls and there's all these things only people can do because they require souls, only humans can have creativity, we're special, bla bla. Well, haha hold my beer.
I totally agree that scientists are the ones to give us most of the things we enjoy today. As for science being the absolute knowledge of the universe, I choose to call it the knowledge that humans possess rather than the all sum of knowledge of the universe. I also call the pursuit of gaining more knowledge Science. You may disagree with that world view but so far that is what I have understood. and everything I study enforces that world view.
p.s. that was my signature you replied to 
@64
Well congrats for having the perfect post to make your signature the last paragraph I suppose.
@62
Look, best case you think 98% of the world is evil including most people on this site. Can I borrow your construction equipment? I need to dig a really big hole too.
#58:
I mean, yeah. There are lots of reasons I'm not a Christian, and that's one of them. Well also the gibberish at the end of Rev. where the new heaven and earth show up. I like the earth we've got just fine, thanks. I don't see why all of nature should go away for a giant glowing city, myself.
What I'd like to know is what would this so called golden age look like? If most of us have to die to bring this about who will decide who remains? Maybe I didn't read into that enough but it sounds like craziness to me.
OK, my take on this is:
There was no font of meaning, no pool from which you could draw. Of course, Life in itself (Taken in the abstract) devoid of anyone to experience it, phenomenologically, wether by the senses, or the experience, or which ever way one chooses to experience life, is devoid of meaning.
Note: (I mean life without anyone to really experience it is devoid of meaning **life in the most abstract way you can conceave it**.
But just as we made the social reality, and proclaimed the reality and supremacy of the state, of governments, or of any power or symbol Humanity bows down to, from the early days of Hunter Gatherer Groups to our internet age; so we invented mechanisms—ingenious mechanisms to give ourselves meaning, to make it. We added thousands of layers to the natural world, the world in which all animals plants and everything else leaves, besides ourselves. And now, let us call this world we made, the world for us. Not the world as it is, but the world for us, and the world made by us. I for one, find solace in the fact that this world can't but naturally crumble. We weren't made for this world. Note again: not in the sense that we weren't made by some silly creator or some Eden bullshit, but that it were better if we would have lived without the constant fear of past, present and future. We dread the future, can't bear the past, and the present, well, as for the present, if it were so good, we'd bear it aesthetically, with dignity, and love every fleeting moment of it. Is this idea new? Hell no! It's damn old. The adage, the worn out tired adage “Live in the present.” Sadly, the present feels like poison to me, and the air is fetid already.
@bashue: The Golden Age was a dream, AND A VERY POINTLESS ONE, but in order to help you understand better its impossibility, I'd point you to my companion, Fyodor Dostoevsky's novel, "The Dream of a Ridiculous Man". I hope that you guys REMEMMBER that he was into the theories OF Charles Fourier, WHICH WERE POPULAR AT THAT TIME, HE WAS a very well known utopist. But Utopia literally means "The place of Nowhere", no place. And that's significant.
To return to these mechanisms. We reduce our thinking to DISTRACTIONS or whatever else have you, not thinking about how we may actually live. We do this as much as possible, think of life/death. Or complex issues or questions about the universe. In this regard, science has spoiled us. Again, so that I won't be misunderstood, I don't claim it isn't great, I don't claim people should not engage in scientific discovery, I suppose that sense of elation is worth the trouble, untill the next mystery comes around, defiling more and more mysteries, untill the universe is left, empty, meaningless, and rather dull! With all that said, I love science! But I'm interestedin other areas. Science discovers the unknown, or claims to, but we aren't closer to knowing more about how to eliminate suffering than our ancestors were. But that's the thing. First, suffering may not need to be eliminated, only reduced in a certain capacity. Science should work to reduce suffering. And for that, well, I suppose we should be greatful.
Animals and plants enjoy a sort of unconscious stupour. They know nothing about our systemization, and our conceptual paradimes, thoughThe chimpanzee's and the Bonobos have some interesting group dynamics, if you ask Wing here:D
The life of an animal is lived according to instinct, (the best way to live) in a way Survival only. However, nature, as I like to point out is cruel. Of course, no one knows if by design, since what could have designed this cycle of survive/reproduce, go on, and on, and on?
But that is why sometimes, paradoxically, we would want not to be human, and in that culmination of disgust, we fall back into ourselves, becoming more humane than we were previously. The idea of external meaning is ludicrous and obsolete. I shall provide a quote.
The fact that life has no meaning is the only reason to live, in fact, the only one.
— (Emil Cioran, Anathemas and Admirations. 1984 Trans. Richard Howard)
I also recommend reading this article, it may help. It's actually very good.
Cioran wouldn't have agreed with Camus and Sartre that much, though he met Sartre and Camus a few times while living in Paris.
He did like to live ascetically, and taking his distance from the intellectual seens of Paris at that time. But his lifestyle is not suitable for many. Even though he lived in an enormous city. Anyway, I will leave you guys an article. You might get something out of it.
https://psyche.co/guides/how-kierkegaar … ial-crisis
Golden age acording to whom? I ask, because where this is often scene, when 95% of humanity dies and the so so called golden age comes about is... exactly what the elite are promoting. After all is done, it'll be, at least acording to them, it'll be only them, who will be left, if this came to pass. All I say bashue is... be really careful. The person whom you follow seems to be pushing this kind of doctrin, I.e, humanity is evil, only few are pure, humanity is animals? That is in line with what the elite, rofchilds, Rockefellers, hell, all the 13 families believe in and what those pushing for the new world order want and are amiming for. Of course this isn't how things will work out in the end, but that's another thing entirely. But yeah. I'd be careful of following the person your following. Him putting himself in the place of god as per the fragment you provided, or in the messiah's place, already sends up red flags, to me at least, not to ' mention what he seems to be pushing seems to be quite... in line with what those pushing for the new world are pushing for. Mass extinction of humanity, the bringing about of the antichrist and the overthrowing of christianity in favor of a luciferian doctrin, you get the picture. At least from what i've read of your posts, and studied about the new world order elite etc, that's the only conclusion I can arrive at. Now if your referring to the golden age once god comes back... Mass extinction is... not exactly how it'll play out. Most of humanity will be saved. And yeah some will die but so is life, we all die at some point. As for why do I say that most will be saved... this will be do to the warning mentioned in the bible and in other places.
Why engage with such seriousness with someone clearly in a cult? as cults go, it's not that bad, but it's still definitely a cult. You're not gonna convince the guy, he's been sucked in by the personality and nothing will change his mind.
Wing of eternity, thank you, I will purchase the novel when I am able to and read the article after posting this. Andy93 and others, was I wrong in stating that if people refuse to turn over a new leaf and only turn the other cheek and be loving and peaceful from this day forth then they deserve to be eliminated? Was I wrong in stating that if you cause others to suffer in any way or you condone the fact that your employees cause said suffering then you deserve to have done unto you what you and your employees do unto others? This is how the universe works, you get back what you put out. Disclaimer: I don't want to go back on my word so I'll state here and now that even though I'm talking about Jesus, I am not siting the bible or any Christian texts at all, it's all from the testament of truth. The way Brother Terence described it was that Lord Jesus Christ Dyed on the cross to show all of humanity that non retaliation is the only way and people still get it wrong. They still wage war after his death and such a thing would have stopped if all of our sins were forgiven us. Lord Jesus Christ even said, 'Father, I forgive them for they know not what they do'. Is it any wonder that Lord Jehovah's favourite son was resurrected and enjoys eternal life with his father in heaven. He was the lamb who promised us the kingdom of heaven were we to follow in his footsteps. Kjsisco, I will answer your second question first. Who gets to decide who lives and who dyes? You do, you and every other individual on this journey. Most of us will dye because most of us will refuse to be like little lambs, just as Jesus was. Most of us believe that we have every right to defend ourselves via the sword instead of leaning on the word of God. Camlorn, you wouldn't need the construction equipment if you trusted God to do all of the punishing instead of either doing it yourself or have others do it on your behalf. Put it simply it's either peace or war not war in order to make peace. It's either life or death, not death in order to preserve life. It's either trust in God and only suffer temporarily before being set free forever to enjoy eternal peace or trust in the sword and suffer forever more. How else can I put it? Do people understand what it is that I'm saying? Only in letting those of an evil disposition do unto you what must be done, will you, after the karmic law balances itself will you never be touched ever again by the legion. Ignatriay, I am talking about when the light of Jehovah takes over this world yes. I'm not saying we should cause the mass extinction or that we should ask anyone to cause it for us but the people themselves will determine who stays and who goes, certainly not me. As for the 13 families that you mentioned, do they want to cause it or have others bring it about? If so then that isn't something I can agree with. We don't do anything, let God do it. As for most of humanity being saved, if they all live as Jesus wanted them to then yes it would come to pass. First, we must be the ones to live on earth as we would in heaven. Finally kjsisco, I will now answer your first question. What does utopia, the golden age, look like? Certainly it doesn't look like what we are used to here on earth. Imagine never having to lock your doors because nobody will steal from you. Imagine what it would be like to be able to travel anywhere on the globe and all you'd have to pay for would be your plane ticket. There would be no boundaries or legal boarders and whereever you went, you would be greeted with gentle people with smiling faces who would welcome you to your destination without any fuss. There would be no searching through people's suitcases because there would never be a need to check for explosives, contraband or indeed anything that would be considered harmful. People would never think to bring to another country something that could cause destruction, let alone possess or create such in their own countries. There would never be a need for what we know as the police force today, just the local peace force who would help others each day. They wouldn't need to arrest anyone during the golden age because no crimes would ever be committed. The military would not be as it is today, hell bent on war but they would be employed to aid people in a benign manor just like the peace force. As for governments, they would handle the people's funds and disperse said funds in any way that would benefit the community. There would never be any codes, rulings or manmade laws that have any punitive components to them. They would create advisory guidelines for people to follow and the people of their own free wills would follow them. Other than that, we would have infinite freedom to do what we wanted to do with the only proviso that we always remain peaceful at all times and we never disturb the peace of others or of the land. We will know that once we dye, unless land and property as well as moneys and effects have been bequeathed unto another then all lands, properties and moneys would return to the community, ready to be purchased, inhabited and recirculated. Nothing would go to waste. Speaking of money, all would earn gross pay and the people can decide on how best to spend it, how best to save it and whether or not they would like to disperse the moneys themselves in order to help one another or to donate some of it to the government and it will do the dispersing. As for the various licences like fishing, driving, hunting and the like, once you have a certificate stating that you are fully qualified at your chosen profession, you don't pay each year or every few years to renew said licence or renew your certificate because nobody would be on the take; instead, they will be on the give and be given unto scale. You will of course have to pay for lessons and any materials you need in order to help you become fully qualified but the prices of items would not be exorbitant but truly affordable. I will leave you with a few more articles. First pain then peace, then the global village, then about what heaven is like. I pray this finds you well.
~ Pain then Peace. ~
Children, first the darkness then the Peace. You heed the LIGHT, then your release. If you continue to fight, heeding not my say, then forever you go the dark way, for God now will cleanse this place.
On earth there will abide the humble race, all darkness confined below, all soon will this reality get to know.
I have spent a lot of time soiling my hands with "your" grime so that I could consciously, "here," understand, the power of you, of the controller's "hand."
So, now I can clearly see, the "sickness" that ails thee, the darkness that you sucked in, foul muck adding to your Sin bin,* and now you must spew it out, as you will when IT does you clout.
So do not retaliate and then you'll feel just great, for as the sickness does clear, to the light and love and truth you'll be near, and God will be your forever friend.
The God, being light will you befriend. Yes you will return to heaven. Your freedom you did earn for you heeded the call from above that said,
"ONLY LOVE."
There is only ONE moral responsibility, heed God.~ The global village of peace. ~
How does or 'will' the world become a 'Global Village' of PEACE? A place with no 'passports' needed to travel, and no 'border patrol' nor travel 'permits,' because every person continuing to be a 'controller or enforcer' has been 'swept' from the face of the earth by the POWER of God in the manner revealed by me.
It commences with each individual such as YOU now obeying God and telling others to so do.
It begins with you taking control of your life as you regain your God-given RIGHT to live according to your own conscience, being your 'religious ideological belief' as also granted unto YOU within the 'Freedom of Religion' clause of the Constitution of the land.
No 'other' person 'out there' telling YOU how to live your life or coercing you using legislated 'rules' to do IT their way.
It begins with you preparing to share your heart & care with 'all comers,' even with the ones who 'disturb your peace' and abuse you.
It begins with you as you prepare your mind and 'space' place to assist the homeless and needy soon to be 'camped' in your 'yard.'
It begins with you never disturbing the peace of the land as you show your 'hand' UP in the 'air' as ONE showing the world that this 'page' you believe in as you your journey WIN.
It begins with you never making any demand upon any other for anything. You now know that the only thing you can do if in need is to 'ask.'
It begins with you conforming to the 'Freedom road' articles on page 'six' above as you now obey God and "Only love."
It begins with you fortifying your mind against deceptive thoughts as given on page 'nine' below.
It begins with you understanding that never again can you 'report' someone to the Police for the purpose of them being 'charged' and punished, for this 'V' for Vendetta activity is 'exceeding' and 'outside' of the mandate granted to man by God within His: "Peace & love & mercy & compassion & forgive" Command, being the TRUE and ONLY 'Christian' way. Thus you can only 'report' people who have injured or offended you to 'carers' who will subject them to an educative rehabilitation program.
It also follows that you can never seek 'recompense' through a court of man, for any such activity would be using the 'forceful system' backed by armed men to 'satisfy' your demands being met. Again a contravention of God's Command.
Thus from now on you only 'live' the Light so to speak, and BE the LIGHT in ACTION only, for you now understand that being the DARK in action is forbidden by God and, it is an UN-Christian act in total 'opposition' to the principles of 'forgiveness, love, mercy & compassion.'
It begins with you understanding that prior to the coming peaceful times, that there will be a time of Chaos, tribulation and lack, and as systems collapse there will be grave shortages with naught available to purchase. Thus it is imperative to make use of all available funds NOW as you 'provision up' QUICKLY with tools of your 'trade' and all else needed.
It begins with you only showing a 'smiling' face of 'grace' and love & mercy, and never again to be seen with a 'grimace' and dark emotions flowing freely.
The 'Global Village' will be a place of no import or export duties nor taxes, as it will BE as said, a TRUE Global Village wherein people arefree to go about their business unhindered, unregulated & unrestricted as all OBEY the Command of THE Creator and 'freely' give of their income profit to assist others and the benign aspects of society, and all naturally pay for the provision of needed services.
All the 'dark stuff' is going to take itself 'away' so to speak as the Light of God purges the souls of mankind who 'Obey.' Thus if you are presently 'using' darkness and drawing IT into your soul, then you should amend your ways quickly before IT 'carries it away' to ITS 'lair.'
If you do amend your ways as you use my wisdom then your soul will be purged of its dark inner energy (Sin) and you will become free within of IT and ITS influence, and happier ahead you will BE.
There will be NO 'malignant' persons remaining on earth and NO 'armies' needed, for it will be "As it is in Heaven," a place of love & peace and the only 'spirit' beings incarnating will be from the Light, having no negative energy within their souls. It will be 'strange' indeed as all heave a sigh of relief and the eternal 'party' begins.
SO BE IT.~ Heaven. ~
The ever increasing tide of love, wending its way down from the hill of love. That wonderful hill of which I speak is the greatest ever with snow capped peaks.
Wonderful children of God reside there and they tell me they've got room to spare. Friendly faces and beautiful souls, they would you join them, and never grow old.
Beautiful children of the light, dancing forever in the day and night. Songs of wisdom so old, so old, songs of love too good to be told. I hear that haunting distant cry :
"Join us forever here up in the sky. The love of our Lord so gold and true, will flow forever between us and you. Oh, sweet children on the homeward run, try hard darlings it's forever fun.
Desperate, desperate our cry to you, just for the brief spell try to be true. We love you, love you, love you, we say, we will love you forever and a day and the love of our Lord here above, streams through us forever from above."
I bequeath to you the blessings of the Sun. Every journey must its road run, freely to do whatever it will. There is no specific deed to fulfil. Onwards you must go helping all God's truth to flow.
Deep preparation made inside, so that Satan has nowhere to hide. Greetings to all you meet, advise all how to stay on their feet.
Quality of life must be maintained by all suffering loss, or maimed. Bless all who abuse you see. This way for sure you will be set free. Preparations must be begun to set aside funds for those on the run.
ALL must be helped that come to the door, food, shelter, caring for sure. WELCOME FARMS started by all who have any land and hearts broad and tall.~ Song of the soul. ~
Every soul has a song to sing as God does gently pluck a heart string, and as the plucking begins to strum the expression of LOVE is undone, and that soul does its song sing and within does happiness take wing, and the song does grow and grow and God's love does begin to grow.
So all true lovers wherever you be, please heed this soul and be forever free. Reach out with love to all you meet, let them through you God greet.
Children I can only SHOW YOU the way, that you SEE IT I do pray, for treasures of light, and treasures of love, await for any who aspire above.
You cannot even dream of what is in store. Eternal paradise that's for sure for the magnificence of the Creator awaits you, but first YOU must show that YOU are true.
Nothing but nothing this end can compare to what in the heavens for you I prepare, for the infinite intelligence of Wisdom and LOVE has abounded from the beginning in the land above.
“Please seek deep,” I ask, for there are infinite treasures within your flask, treasures which I will expose, first you show that you believe this rose.
I speak of FOREVER when I speak to you.
I speak of FOREVER for all souls TRUE.
I speak of FOREVER, and evermore.
I speak of FOREVER for what's in store.
Both ends of God reach infinity. Both ends EXQUISITE, please believe me. One of PAIN forevermore, one of PURE JOY that's for sure, and ANY that me believe will NEVER ever again grieve, for your soul cleansed of darkness forevermore will only experience true love for sure.
And you CANNOT imagine what it is like up in heaven away from the spike. Every soul perfection in every way, all reaching out saying: “Join us today.” Infinite Wisdom and love flowing through from the source of the Creator, through me to you.
Oh sweet sisters, and brothers too, I pray you'll join me for my truth is true, and my way is the only way I say to you, way up to heaven to our Father TRUE. For it is TRUTH that HE speaks through me for, forevermore would HE have you free, and His sweet Wisdom from way out the past will forever and an eternity, last.
So I reach out this one more time calling you near to sup my wine. Wine of WISDOM, wine of TRUTH, wine of reality that you stand not aloof from ANY you meet as you stroll along.
SHOW BY DEED you've heard my song. This truth from heaven I now whisper to you, for if I shout you'll think I'm untrue, for many shout but none seem to hear, and I am the one to eke out your fear.
I, and our Father, AM now cleansing you of ALL your sin if you are true to the Wisdom streaming down from the land of love where forever you can abide when you go above.~ The Light of Heaven. ~
The lightof the heavens way up high is God and fills the sky, and all souls there up within do within God's highest vibration swim eternally, this I see, their souls forever of negativity free.
And this light that streams out from God's shore, embalms all souls with it's love forevermore, and these deep feelings of love for sure do for all eternity grow more and more within each heart that doth therein abide, whom God encompasses in His Mighty stride.
Forever and ever in this stride, forever free of any inner pride, and all souls that therein swim eternally strive to help others win their freedom, where forevermore they too will abide in that distant shore.
And this is done with love, divine that flows in heaven like summer wine, streaming out where it falls below into the darkness that lies below, and in the heart of each man it does cling, and its existence does quietly therein ring so that forever do all men know that somewhere, does love grow.
And this love they eternally seek until once more they become meek. And they can this love only found* when of evil are they unbound.
And this mighty truth that I now sow is so that you can finally KNOW that PURE LOVE DOES EXIST, and its brilliance is felt like shining mist that pervades all that above abide.
And this love they feel as along they stride, and its purity, so gold and true, is felt forever by all souls true, when they return and in God's face gaze, never again lost in the deep dark maze.
The souls vibration once again true. All Christed souls will be you and you. As I am, so shall ye be when as I ask, you follow me. I hold the key to the door up above, the door that opens to my heaven of love, and the key IS the WisdomI do you bring, so that in happiness you can forever sing.
So heed me now I do ask so you can sup on God's endless flask of love and joy so pure and true, that forever, dears, will flow through you. God's voice I be as I now talk. God's voice I be as I now walk amongst my sisters and brothers so true, amongst my sisters and brothers, you.
#70:
I didn't say what I said to convince him of anything. If he thinks about it, well and good. I said it because I feel like that's the kind of reaction that needs to happen. Somebody needs to point out that considering the death of 98% of humanity as a fine thing is monstrous. So I did. The rest of it was just because, yeah, the parallels to Objectivism, another cult, if an entirely non-religious one, were striking enough that I felt like pointing them out.
@70
I participate because it amuses me, not because I think I will change their mind. Also, it's always good to know just how far the crazy goes.
@khomus and @Camlorn
My post wasn't targeted at either of you, sorry, I should have specified. you both clearly know what's going on and I enjoyed both of your posts. I was just trying to clue everyone else in because it seems a couple people missed the memo.
I kind of agree with Bashue.
If all government and infrastructure as we know it were to collapse, it is almost certain there would be widespread rioting and death, possibly in the billions.
That said, I doubt it would only be the wicked dying or that the saintly would be spared. Karma, or whatever you want to call it, is an appealing concept, but sometimes good things happen to bad people and sometimes bad things happen to good people, and in the event of total governmental and infrastructure collapse, there would be plenty of people dying for lack of access to survival needs and plenty of otherwise good people fighting over limited resources simply because there aren't enough to go around.
Fortunately, even if most people grumble about how governments spend tax revenue or how they tax the common folk more heavily than the super rich, there's at least enough people who either understand the need for government maintenance of infrastructure, or just find it easier to pay their taxes than deal with the legal reprecussions of not doing so that a sudden collapse is unlikely short of a crazy politician being crazy enough to launch nukes or a coronal mass ejection scoring a direct hit on the earth, or some other existential crisis.
Though, for full disclosure, about the only taxes I pay are the sales tax on my groceries and any taxes built into my telecom and debt bills. My only reliable source of income is tax exempt, and other than groceries, most of the goods I buy come from smaller online sellers who don't charge sales tax except maybe in their home state.
And honestly, a version of earth where the population drops by 98% without any loss of cultural or genetic diversity and everyone is brought up to developed nation status sounds great... but I would prefer such come about because we reach a point where most people don't bother having children and the population gradually shrinks primarily through people dying of old age or because we figure out space colonies and spread humanity far enough that no one planet has too many of us... And a world where we get over our coordination problems, unhealthy selfishness, and bring everyone up to developed nation status without anyone having to die even of old age and everything is switched to truly sustainable technologies and we can restore the world's forests to their 1000 AD extent sounds even better, though I realize these are all probably pipe dreams.
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