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I was sad about this until I realised how I can get to my spam folder in thunderbird. Still, I will miss it.

I don't use Gmail much anymore, because my college is Microsoft-based. But I sure did like the HTML layout. Nowadays I access my Gmail account via EM Client or the Mail app on my phone, but it's a shame.

well, time to get a new mail provider I guess. Anyone any suggestions? I only have gmail since that's what my parrents gave me back in lockdown time and I already was not happy with it from the start because the ios app injects adds into my inbox, and now that html view is gone I think I will make the switch.

I've been clicking not now whenever the "We're getting rid of the good version and going to force people to use the new fangled version" message pops up for months, but they forced the switch on me today, and the link in #4 doesn't help.

That said, I followed the suggestions to disable the multi-part inbox and the important check boxes and set view to compact, and with that done, the inbox has most of the new junk I don't want gone.

That said, a few issues I'm having:

The guide for using newfangled Gmail with screen readers says subject lines in the mesage field are still links, and to use the screen reader's navigational hot key for links to get to them and open them with the enter key, but using the navigation hotkey for links jumps to the link telling me out much space I'm using across Gmail, Drive, etc. and using arrows to move to the subject line and pressing enter does nothing... I can get a context menu item to open a message in a new window, but firefox's pop-up blocker blocks that, and I found to open the selected message, but that opens in current tab and seems a bit flakey. My old workflow was to scroll through my inbox to check things to delete unopened and open things to read in new tabs, but it seems like I now have to waste time going back and forth between a message and the inbox in a single tab and means I can't sort all new mails into read immediately, read later, and delete without reading in a single skim of my inbox.

Also, is there an easier way to delete an open message than finding the more options menu and selecting delete from it? I get lots of read once and delete type e-mails, so it seems inconvenient that deletion is so hard.

Also a bit annoyed that the archive, mark spam, and belete button on a label are now only at the top of the list and that the star buttons apparently can't be disabled like the important buttons and that more options is no longer a combo box, but compared to the above, this is minor. I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually, but for now, I'm calling BS on Google's claims standard view offers more usability.

If it matters, I'm using Firefox 123 with Orca 45 on Debian Testing.

@George_Gaylord
It's probably getting sorted into specific categories? At least that's my guess.

While I always prefer mail clients for additional things other than a given page layout, I am not whorried of Gmail basic HTML view being removed. Google's guide for using Gmail with a screen reader is surprisingly comprehensive, and if you activate keyboard shortcuts in Gmail settings, the Standard view is really usable; I know because despite my preference of mail clients over web UIs, sometimes I need to access my e-mail in machines where I didn't configured my account in an installed mail client and I no longer find accomplishing things I need so hard.
While I'll not say that I celebrate Basic HTML view removal, I think it is good. During many years, many blind people have used to alternative compact and reduced versions, as if we should get used to the idea that using a product/service version with reduced functionality compared to the rest of the population is normal.

links above takes me to the gmail basic html site. but when i hit basic html nothing changes. and how do i access my spam folder?

It still works for me too, but I suspect they're phasing it out gradually, which is maybe why it's gone for some people but still working for others. Standard view isn't the end of the world, I'm just used to and prefer basic html. But the link in post 8 is useful, will definitely make it easier to deal with. People copy their links with a lot of unnecessary stuff added on, but the minimal direct link to basic html, if it still works for anyone, is https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/

Interestingly, going to gmail using the link on google.com takes me to basic HTML, whereas going to gmail.com directly takes me to standard.

@15: Just wait until you're forced to use a mail client that's basically a website. You *will* use a website. Resistance is futile. i'm convinced that most Developers don't give a flying fuck about what users want anymore an they'll do what they please.

Am I seriously the only one here who has always used the standard view and never had any issues with it?