Personally, I absolutely HATE muds! Theyre old fashioned. But, maybe, its

because I never tried them?

Muds

are in no way better then Audio Games? What would you rather do, walk

through a 3-d level with full sound, or type left 22, 22 or /go here or

forward 3 or whatever dumb commands you have to type? It's plain simple! I

would definitely rather play an audio game then sit in hyper terminal!

Thank you CX2!

Yes, I play muds, for community spirits. And typing

commands is, better than simply walking around with the help of sound. No

offense to game devs, but stil...

USe Monkey Term then. It has certain

sounds, etc. And complexity is another thing. With audio games it's the

same thing over and over again. Where as on a mud, everything is

diferent...

OK. Let's get real now. Do you remember me. I'm the one, who said that

some better strategic games or fighting games must be made for blind users.

So I say that theres nothing to play! That's why I posted a topic about

writing games, because I like to write them. For free ofcourse. And if you

talk about linux. Me and my friends are considering a possibility to start

using linux. The speach synths allready exist and you must only have a

correct distribution and the things it requires. And with the linux you have

free ability to prog and also creat muds, because linux is a unix based

system!

oh

that give's us game developers some great motivation to develop

games,*grimmus*
asollt freek:
the fact that there was never a reall mega

galactic audio game ,doesn't mean there will never be, and saying

audiogames are not worth our time is an insalt to this hole world
(aren't

we "audiogamers" in a "audiogames forum"?)
so yeah, of course, I'd be the

last one to crittisise muds here, but lets all wish for better audiogames ,

other than just saying that audiogames are not good ,or can not be good from

the start.
regards to all
yakir arbib

If

any of you have played or heard Final Fantasy x for the PS2, I think it'd

be  wonderful if a game developer could make something like tha t. I'm

blind, and I know all the sounds of that game inside out. Really, the only

thing you'd have to do is make sure there was an audio map, a "learn game

sounds" option, and spoken menus/sound menus. I'm not a programmer but it

doesn't sound hard. Last Crusade should be a jump in the right direction

but we've still got lots to go.

well I agree about needing something like Final Fantasy.
I've

followed the series as best I can (though being visually impaired I can't

play them), I collect the scripts and (if I can get them), the soundtracks

to the games.
I agree that the current technology used to produce

self-voicing menues and 3D environments could be used on the games.

As

reguards updates and online capability, I wonder if anyone has heard of

mainstream online rpg's like Warcraft. These function like muds in that you

can wander around and talk to other charactors, and go on quests with them.

But the game, items, combat etc, are all real time rpg style. there's

leveling, inumerable quests and lots of items to collect.
Admittedly

Warcraft and the games like it are just the next step that began with Rpg's

like Zelda, and Audio games would have to take things more slowly, but I

personally feel Audio games should try and offer an experience equal to what

main stream games offer.

the reports on Castlequest and aemon both

suggested that eventually they'd be going in similar directions to war

craft (particularly aemon), but as I said before, they both seem to have

stagnated to death.

Yep, World of Warcraft sorry, my brother usually just refers to it as

Warcraft, but I should have remembered the initial Civilization type series.

As reguards movement I agree if real time combat is involved you'd need

something like Shades of doom as the main player interface, but if entering

a combat resulted in a turn based batle as in the Final fantasy series, then

the map wouldn't need to be so complex, this type of game would be

something like Last Crusade, though perhaps it could impliment features like

a party of multiple charactors controled by the player, magic, and

equipping/unequipping items.

but the most important thing I'd want in an

Rpg is ongoing story! If the rpg was stand alone there could be some large

overarching plot as in the Final Fantasy series, or if it was a multiplayer

server type thing there could be Npcs to offer quests (as in World of

warcraft, Ultima online etc).

Even if the gameplay was basically "Shades

of doom in a medaeval setting" for me it wouldn't matter too much if the

Rpg plot elements and charactor interactions were there.

Obviously this

would require a large amount of voice acting and wavs, but I'm sure it'd

be possible.

At risk off banging on about something I know nothing about, I'm guessing

it'd be easier to programme fixed battles than random ones. Even if the

battles did appear randomly, there would stil have to be some fixed battles

for bosses and plot events. The battles could all be fixed, but there could

be locations with battles you could fight again and again for Xp?

Even

though the Last crusade interface is extremely slow, I stil think you could

do something interesting with it, if you had more complex maps, a lot more

charactors to interact with and a good amount of atmosphere in the music and

sounds.

there have been several Rpg's like Secret of Manna on the snes

and some of the Zelda games who's main action was do a dungeon, do another

dungeon, do another dungeon etc, but some of them worked because of the

story and atmosphere involved, even though the main action of the game was

just hitting monsters in a top down environment.

Hmmmm, sounds interesting. Personally I think getting lost and misdirection

is a part of rpg's, but I know it annoys a lot of people. As I've

indicated my main interest in playing an rpg is the exploration, plot and

atmosphere. this is why i'm particularly keeping an eye on Aemon because

the world sounds interesting ---- but as I said before, I'm not sure

what's happened to it or even if the company involved are stil working on

it.

Perhaps the programmers could save time in battles by using

something like eloquence to do the menues and save the actual voice acting

for the actual plot sequences of the game.

Okay Assault, that makes sense. I am rather sad at the disappearence of

Castle Quest, sinse now that means the only thing in developement is Eamon.

I've sat through many an Rpg playthrough with friends reading the text

for me, but sinse the battle menues and text were a bit too complex for tem

to read quickly I usually left that bit to them. Also, I'm not brillient

with 3d perspectives.

I personally don't find muds the same as rpg's,

the ones I've tried seemd more focused on killing stuff (sometimes other

players), than on accomplishing quests, of course this could be because

I've not got around to trying the right nuds yet. (alterean keeps shutting

down every time I try to open Telnet which I'm guessing the university

network being stupid).

Even if I could find a good mud, I stil hold by

what I said about it not being equal in plot or atmosphere to mainstream

Rpg's.

I'd

njust add that the reason they didn't want players getting lost in Diablo 2

was because it was technically an action RPG, it focused on plot and

gameplay rather than statistics. The idea was that it had the depth to keep

you interested, but wasn't too complicated for the average game player to

play. The developers said the ethos was kill-reward.

My first contact

with RPGs was really old ones, and I found a demo really hard to handle.

Having a manual might have helped, but there was just too much I didn't

understand.

Addmittedly though, the main things non-mud games have going

for them is that there can be a plot, and it is also more immersive as

people keep saying. I found Diablo 2 ideal for my style because it had the

little unofficial quest type areas to run around for experience and

equipment, but you could always get back on the main plot any time you

wanted. It was the best of both worlds in my opinion, and I'd hope a

developer would consider having areas not related to the plot so you can

both get experience and equipment as well as practice the controls and just

have fun when you want something lighter.

And Assault Freak:
I remember

those things. That cow Andariel was one tough, and ugly, nut. It wasn't so

much that she had eight legs, more that she had some sort of claw things

over her shoulders. Then there was Gheed in the town drooling over

Andariel... lol.

I'd also very much like to see Aemon released, but I'm

not holding my breath with all the changes between Adora and Draconis. I'm

not saying it won't come out, and I'm not trying to start another batch of

doubting, I just feel Aemon seems to be up in the air at the moment without

any announcements from Draconis about continuing development.