Whoever decided "Hey, let's cell devices with no charger!" needs to be fired immediately, in my opinion. Why in the name of cheese would you cell a device with no way to charge it? That'd be like buying an electric toothbrush or laptop with no charger. Freaking idiocy.

@#27 they claim environmental reasons...
But they want bucks.

Crap like this is one reason why I don't even have a smartphone of any sort. Yes I know I'm missing out on some things, as there are things that work better on a smartphone than a PC. There are also things that you can do only on a smartphone, because that's how the current market is. The fact that those of us who choose not to get a smartphone are left out of things or have a harder time doing things on a PC pisses me off too. It's what I call device discrimination. I'm mostly talking about companies that have a great accessible smartphone app, but their web interface sucks and they refuse to fix it. Then because most people use smartphones instead of PCs now, those of us who use PCs get stuck with bloated Electron web apps instead of real apps written in real programming languages.

Anyway, that's all I have to say about that here, since it's starting to hijack the thread. Lol. Shipping devices without chargers is ridiculous and makes me shake my head in confusion, even though this doesn't affect me at all.

So the problem is this. If you have an older IPhone, you likely didn't have  the  fast 20w charger  that can charge your phone faster.  That means you cough up like another 30 or so to get a charger, which btw is not an optional component.

Um, you could just write One plus too.
About Apple, I agree this is really a dumb move. Thing is, as Jayde says, Apple can do whatever they want. Just like the headphones jack, it will be a big deal for a few months, then everybody will be quiet and suddenly it's a new standard. Hopefully other manufacturers won't be doing that. Somebody here was joking and said what's next, a phone without the box and you have to pay more if you want a box?
About new phones, I didn't find anything fascinating or groundbreaking, but I rarely do with IPhones.  I will be ubgrading next year, though will most likely get an 11, since the primary reason of my ubgrading is the Voiceover screen recognition and I don't have anything interesting I could gain from the 12 models.

I have my 11 pro that I got last christmas with 256 gigs of storage, and I don't plan on buying any of the 12 mottles. They just don't have anything that grabs me about them, and i'm even more convinced after listening to Jonathan Mosen's overview of it. Supposedly, the iPhone 12 mottles are supposed to have 5G capabilities, but 5G from what i've heard is so unreliable right now and in very early stages. I also have an iPhone 6S for backup purposes, but I probably should consider upgrading that to at least an Se mottle soon, because IOS 14 is likely the last IOS version that the Iphone 6S will support.
I haven't experienced any of the lag issues some people are talking about, maybe it's with older phones. My 6S does lag very slightly more than my 11 pro, which is fast as heck.

The whole "no charger because environment" is absolute rubbish. It's greenwashing, nothing more. It#s particularly sad since for things concerning a11y and others, Apple has always delivered.But when it comes to climate change, all they're doing is milking the absoluteh ell out of it by trying to greenwash their operation. In the best case, you'll create just as much environmental polution as before, since every phone needs a charger anyway. You'll probably create even more though since the chargers will need their own packeging and transport.
@37, I'll tell you what Apples sales numbers will look like. They'll look really, really good. Because as Jayde and others have said, Apple can do whatever at this point and people will buy their stuff. They'll buy it for the brand, even if that means putting up with inconveniences. Apple removed the jack from the 7 and... surprise, it was the most sold phone of 2017. They did the same shit with the X and... surprise! everyone bought it because shiny new face ID and future and awesome and blah blah blah. With Apple, you should really only upgrade anything if your previous model is on the verge of falling apart and there's no way to fix it for less than the price of a new device.

39, the 6 line of IPhones meets that description easily, and would have even in 2018, but especially in 2019. 
I have a question though. I have basicly decided on the pro max,  but, for a blind person, will it be difficult using a phone like that with a single hand? The difference in display size, 6.1 vs 6.7 doesn't seem huge centimeter wise, or the width, 7.16/7.8 CM.

That's probably double tapping the home button. Or at least, it is on my SE second gen, which has one.

I know plenty of people with a pretty staggering amount of phone chargers, so I guess apple's point isn't wholly moot, but whatever environmental compensation they aim for is probably going to be nonexistent because you will now need separate charger packaging.

You used to get four things in the box: the phone, a charging cable, a wall charger, and a pair of nice earbuds.

Now we're down to two: the phone and charging cable... and it's more expensive than the older models.

Also, re: TouchID. My 6S has it and it works fine. Apple took it away, then brought it back and called it a feature and people went "wow! TouchID!" Um...we already had that.

But it worked. I've lost count of how many times someone has told me "the SE has TouchID!" Yeah, my phone that was released five years ago or so has it too xD

And now the SE that so many went nuts over is already second generation.

Eventually Apple will put the headphone jack back in and people will say "The $5,000 phone has a headphone jack!" So does my 6S.

They have us all figured out.

In fact, the first time I heard the SE has TouchID I was so confused because I haven't been following Apple too closely. I wasn't aware they had actually gotten rid of it. So my initial reaction was along the lines of "and? Am I misunderstanding something here? Because I have it too."

It should be noted, that EarPods, are still included in France iPhone boxes. Why's that you may ask?
Check the below:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/10 … -in-france

If they really cared, they'd make similar, drastic moves to end the child-labor from which their phones are made.

So I don't buy this Apple Nice Guy image for one second.