@77, thank you for that analogy. And yes, I fully agree with you -- I'm not going to say that your wrong or anything like that, or defend trump, because I don't believe he's a good person to run this country at all -- I never have, and his actions to date have only proven my point. I'll figure out what to do -- hopefully soon.

The thing is that in the middle of all of this polarization you have liberals, who no longer want to affiliate with the dems, and conservatives, who don't want to tag along with the repubs.  Both sides, however, have held onto either party for better or for worse for such a long time because both realize that the alternative is a voice that is silent, one that basically says nothing because both extremes are far too vocal in their battlefront.  How do you walk the balance when the two main leading partys draw further apart on everything that is everything as the days go by?  If you tip the scales one way, everything on the other end goes flying off, and that's just no way to live.
And then, you have the media.  Either you're watching CNN which is mostly favorable to the democrats, or you're watching Fox news, which is mostly favorable toward republicans.  Everyone else falls somewhere in between those two lines.  The agendas are there and what people want to do with money, ratings, airtime, advertising and any other resources available.  Meanwhile, the two huge juggernauts continue to run at each other, gathering speed and force along the way for the inevitable clash.  Yes it's coming; civil war as far as I'm concerned, is inevitable.  To what degree, I do not know, but I hardly doubt Trump will let go of the office even if Biden is declared winner, and that is bound to spark some sort of backlash.  ON the other hand, if Trump is declared winner, I doubt the dems will take it lying down.
the story repeats itself; those who fought the civil war of 1861 would have told you that slavery was the issue being contested.  The sad thing is that while the parties were split between Union and confederate, between north and south, both were guilty of slavery.  The difference was in how they did it.  the south, supposedly the more evil of the two, forced people of color to work out on the fields.  The north, meanwhile, forced slave labor in factories under harsh conditions.  In the end, minorities didn't really end up all that much better for it, and if you have any reason to believe they did, you're sadly mistaken.  That is what much of this is about.  As long as these two parties are given the power they've been allowed to experience for as long as they have, this cannot end well.  I think the first time I truly saw it in action was during the government shutdown of 2013, where it was clear that neither party truly wanted to give one way or the other.

Biden is not a socialist but his pick for vice certainly is.  To quote a character in the book it, "I worry, I worry a lot."

I'll just say that no matter who gets in I really fear for the future.  I can't help it.

biden, it's just a clown puppet from the democratic circus!

obama democracy almost destroyed america ...
and now with  the democracy of the puppet biden, would kill her forever ...
with democracy america dies at the feet of its communist and terrorist executioners and everyone else who hates america ...
with the republic and president Donald Trump america and the americans, europe and the world, we will all be united, strong, with an alliance of nations against the communist invasion and the terrorism of evil ...
I lived my childhood and my adult age as I still live today, always happy with the protection of America and I never felt oppressed or invaded.
I know that America is not perfect, but I prefer to be dominated 1000 times by its strength and power than any other nation ...
we still owe a lot to america and the americans who fight and died in the second world war to save us and free everyone from the evil nazi. ...
i love america and i just wish america  always be strong to remain the best police in the world.
long live Republicans and Donald Trump.
god bless america and americans.
america i love you.
cheers.

Here is one point no one has brought up though. I'm neutral  in this whole trump versus biden debate, so I'll be going back and forth  from those against trump to those in favor.
For those against trump,
If the indications when trump was not the president was anything to go by; and a clear picture of trump was starting to form back then; then why did people vote for him in the first place, when already knowing, or seeing; how he was beforehand? In that sence, you've made your bed, and must now lie in it, however harsh this might sound. My point is, from  his passed actions, to those saying trump is evil; and yes, i'm neutral anyway since i'm not american; but to those saying trump is evil; his behavior would have been visible long before he took the presidency. Or, was it once he took power, that he showed his true colors? To be frank here; I doubt it. His nature would have been visible to people  before he took the presidency. Therefore, if you already felt or knew, that he wouldn't be a good choice... why vote for him at all?
I recognize that, far as I know, hilary had one the popular vote, and yet trump was elected. What one should be wundering therefore is why? Why despite hilary apparently winning the popular vote, did trump still win, especially if one where to take  his history into account. The thing is, something deeper is going on, as one would see by the 2016 elections results. I mean, by looking at trump's history, it should have been obvious that he wasn't a good choice; and yet. He. Got. Chosen, previous history be damned. One must ask himself, why? If the 2016 elections are anything to go by here; the same thing that happened in that election; will; or might;  happen again in these elections;  popular vote will be ignored or bypassed, and... same result as last time. Again, i'm nutral, as I said, however, i'm surprised no one has stopped and thought of this. knowing this man's history... it should have been obvious he wasn't a good choice.
That was for the ones saying trump is bad, evil, whatever you might call it. However on the other hand,
Some people are saying that the echonomy has been better under trump. Is it true? Fuck if I know; as I don't live there. That, however, is the other side of the coin, as it stands.
Way I look at it to put it as a analogy. Switching to the side of those against trump with this,
You have a pitbool who you know is aggressive. Having the knowledge of said pitbull beeing aggressive or having the tendency to be aggressive, would you release or take the animal into a place with, say, children, and when the dog eventually attacks someone... You will say what. You knew said pitbull had aggressive tendencies, so then why in the heck did you brought it into a place where someone could have very well gotten injured or killed?
Picture trump as the pitbull, and the people as the owner of the pitbull. That's where i'm getting at with my first paragraph of this post. If people knew that trump wouldn't be a good choice,  in said case, he wouldn't have been allowed to run for president in the first place, if people say he is this bad. If you had said knowledge he was like this, you wouldn't have allow him to run for president in the first place, at least if you claim he is this evil and unsuited for the presidency as you say he is.
Once again going to the other side of the coin, for those pro trump,
The people who are for trump have said the echonomy is better than it was before at least, or is improving at least. Is this true, and how was it better than say, when obama was president, or others before trump? Again, i'm asking this as i'm not living in the U.S.
Moving on though, we don't know who will win, so until then all this is shitslinging from one side to the other trying to prove that one side is right, and how the other one isn't, and in my opinion its just causing people to get riled up, and the truth is, you guys can all argue until all of you are blue in the face, but chances are your not going to change anyone's mind with this. That beeing said, in  the end, this is something the US citizens have to vote on, not us, the outsiders. Wether your for or against trump, if your not a citizen of the U.S, you cannot vote anyhow, this is beyond your control. As much as some of you might want trump to win or lose, its not your matter to decide, as much as you might wish it were. In the end, only the U.S people can decide here, what the outsiders, yes, including myself in this group as i'm not a U.S citizen, all we can do is speculate and give our point, but we cannot in anyway, vote or affect this in any way, so yeah. To put another analogy,
You have a friend who is going to have a baby and for x or y reason, she decides to abort it. While you might be against this, and you can try your damndest to convince her to keep the baby, or not abort it; that's all you can do; give your opinion, or your, say, in the matter. Whether said friend takes your advice and opinion into account and decides weather to abort or not; is, in the end, up to her, however hard you might try to dissuade her from aborting the baby. In the end, the final decition, will be her's, and her's alone.
All of that aside though, does every single topic has to turn into a cluster fuck? I mean, this topic was talking about police, and the case where they shot a 13 year old. And somehow, and typically; this ended up turning into, as I called it; shitslinging. I'm honestly wondering, what's next? If these days people take the slightest excuse to make everything about politics, what's next? When someone posts or talks about God, will people take this as an excuse to start slinging shit, on how I'm right, my religion is right, your wrong, this god is the only god, your worshiping a falce god, etc? I for one, am disgusted at this kind  of attitude and behavior, where people take the slightest excuse or opening in whatever topic it might be, to drag politics or whatever subject it might be,  into said topic, and for what? Are we really so selfish that politics, as an example, is worth more than life, in this case?   its sad and sickening, how a topic such as, how a 13 year old got shot because of a policeman, turned into this. This topic wasn't about politics to begin with, so why drag it in and provoke a verbal diarrhea  shitstorm? This was not the plce to drag politics, this was a topic meant to talk about a case about a child getting shot and give our opinions as to said case, but to see that, turned into, this? Shame.

hi. 87
I don't discuss politics. I just give my opinion.
if you don't agree with her, it's your right ...
even if I discussed this debate with you, I couldn’t do it as I wanted to because I would have to expose names of people and countries, and that would make me feel bad about people other than Americans ...
and this is not anyone's desire for this wonderful site and community of friends.
but I can only give you a hint of what you ask me for:
remember the dangerous and tragic agreements that obama made with some countries that were and still are enemies and real threats to america and the american people.

obama gave these countries a lot of money from the american people in exchange for peace agreements that were never actually respected ...
with the money that america gave to these countries, it only served to economically develop large-scale weapons and nuclear propulsion, and today america is an easy target for those same weapons created with the money of the american people.

yes, because there was never any intention of these anti-american countries to become friends with the Americans or to live in peace with anything ... everything a great way just to deceive america and save time, money, and develop bombs and missiles to destroy America and threaten other cultures from nations in Europe and the world ...
he should never have done it ...
that's why I said that obama almost destroyed america.

today we have a giant that wants to swallow us all and everything that is against them ...
a real threat to america and the world ...
and guess who gave them their hand to help them invade the world?
right, your friend obama ...
and today Trump is fighting to free America and the world from the clutches of the monster because of Obama's political childishness.

President Trump in a very short time has given back the economy to America that they no longer had and is gradually making America great again.
just have to give him time, because he cannot do everything at the same time ...
and don't be sad, because your great concern for your health and that of the Americans will be returned to you free of charge when the economy gets even stronger President Trump will give you this great news.
I would have a lot more to tell you, but as I told you before, I can't do it because I don't want to hurt feelings.here on the audio games site.
and above all because I respect you.
but I hope that you will also respect me and whoever is not of your political opinion.
long live Donald Trum, and god bless america.
cheers.

@88, trump won because of the electoral college and because Russians interfered with the voting process here (or so the story goes). Had that not happened, Hillary would be in office.

Hi.

at 90 lol, you're funny now. You state something, but when someone asks of facts, suddenly you hide behind the fact that you only give opinions and don't back them up with facts. So, don't ask to be taken serious here.

Greetings Moritz.

I didn't like Trump in the 90's and I still don't like him.  I do feel he may have some psychological issues but I don't think he's really evil.  That's a word people toss around like it doesn't mean anything.  He's not a wild junkyard dog but perhaps a dog that hasn't been house trained yet.  However, I'd rather him then someone who doesn't even know where he is and who walks into walls.  I will pick the ass hole over the bumbling fool.  We don't have a choice, folks!

So, that's a problem too.
Go listen to Joe Biden's acceptance speech from less than a month ago. Guy sounds pretty coherent to me. Boring, sure, but coherent. He may be suffering some cognitive decline - who isn't by his age? - but let's not characterize him primarily as a fool who walks into walls. Unless, of course, you want me to characterize Trump as the guy who has lied over eighteen thousand times.
Oh, wait a sec.

My point is, you're trying to represent Biden by his worst characteristics, but you're not willing to do the same of Trump. You'd rather have this supposedly non-housetrained dog over a "bumbling fool". I dunno, this dog has had seventy-odd years to clean up his act, and four in office, and he's only getting worse. From a medical point of view, BTW, there's every indication that Trump may have been suffering from mini-strokes. Look at the way he drags his right leg and sometimes leans on the podium while speaking, and the way he doesn't use his right arm the way he used to. Combine that with increasingly slurred speech, increasingly paranoid and delusional rantings, and it sounds like Biden isn't the only one with issues. Let's not pretend he is.