at 2, it's not just about the mac vm. there are other problems the mods have made

I am indifferent.
here is what's most likely going to ha[ppen,
1, you will get ridiculed by some members.
2, after a day wait or until a moderator logs up, you will be banned, and this topic will be closed because of flamewar purposes.
your(simter's) case is weakened because of the fact you are a friend of his. If someone who is not his friend that does not also have Nemesis status with him maybe he can be helped but

All the warnings in that thread, were to an extent unfounded. At the end of the day simter did nothing, in the bounds of the rules, did nothing, wrong. He asked a question, maybe was uptone, but still. Also, why didn't they just caution Static Master, instead of an all out warn? Have we forgotten about cautions, only when its convenient to the mods?

I'm torn on Simter. I think it's common knowledge I don't think very highly of him. Then there's the fact that he was already on watch to begin with, but he really didn't do anything. That was the most tame I've seen him in a while. Also, he never said he didn't care about the watch, and is that really a reason to ban someone, because they don't care about something?

I don't agree with him saying the watch was done just to shut him up. He was being more than a nuisance for far too long, and he deserved that watch. In fact, I think he should have been banned at that point in time, but now, for that? Meh, it's stupid.

The mods are seeing that they have power of us because no one will make another site, like actually make a proper go of it. They're pulling more and more bullshit by the day. Then they have the nerve to try to settle us down and feed us a line of bull to make us think it isn't as bad as it really is.

You got one warning, Staticmaster. Boo-hoo. Like jack said, it'll be gone in 90 days, Your reputation hasn't been forever tarnished.

As for Simter, the only thing I can agree with is that he should've just been banned when the watch was put in place, as ironcross32 said. But well, he was banned now. Good riddance!

It's kinda strange that I sit here and am about to agree with ironcross32. that's the most surprising fact to me, rather than what the mods are doing or have been.
Frankly, I don't have the time to be as regular on the forums as I used to be, but when you start enforcing licensing terms of other companies going so far as to quote them at people, that's going a bit too far in terms of all this legality bullshit. and agreed, the worning static master got was not at all warranted. and the ban for simta now? nope.
but like Zack 93 said in one of the posts when the mods were pushing for the vault not to be discussed on here the mods are trying to push goalposts day by day.
boiling water slowly as apposed to turning the boil all at once, so the frog (or is it lopster) gets cooked and doesn't try and jump out before it's too late. there by they get to push their ways/ opinions what you will  onto people, without caring about what the community as a whole actually wants.

@ironcross, the only reason why this forum continues to survive even after the moderators behavior is because of the audiogames.net database and the fact that this forum is connected to it. fun fact, the mods responsible for the forums downhill turn don't contribute shite to that database.
Grryf

aside from this topic at the moment, everything is fine for me anyway

@1 So we discuss Simters ban in the other topic without trowing insults around or anything, even you yourself are part of the discussion, and suddenly you write: "I request the mods to close this topic because it has gotten out of hand."
It hasn't, but okay. But then, one day later, you create a topic which starts the same discussion again? ... What?

its laughable to say that the mods slap bands out left and right, they give so many warnings and chances before an actual band happens, alot of you should actually be lucky, like i have said before, if i was a mod, you all would really complain about me, because i would be banding most of you, for some of the rude, toxic, immature, sneaky, childish behavior you all take part in, you would get hit with a band without any warnings and meetings, alot of you use there kindness and rule to be fair to all parties in a crisis to your advantage.granted its probebly debatable for simter's band, but i have seen him in deep water a few times on the forum and he wasn't band, so in my opinion he should have gotten band a while ago, so basically you can say he had it coming ....and i see that alot on this forum, some of you will have warnings, and will be skating on thin ice, but you still will be pushing the envelope to see just how far you can go, you would think you would move around the forum carefully once a warning is issued but nope, most of you don't see it like that, then boom when you get hit with a band you want to cry about it, save those tears, you shouldn't have continued to walk on the ledge after being told to get the hell down before you fall.....nothing that is governed is going to be perfect, but as long as everyone does what they suppose to do like don't freakin post clones of games/software, beg for cracks, and just be a total doosh bag, then you will never have to worry about being band simple as that.....note to simter and everyone else with a warning, stop testing the mod team, they are eventually going to get fed up by your antics and you may just get slapped with a band that in a normal circumstance probebly would have been over looked.....long ass rant over

right, lets tare this apart right here.
Database: if not for Dark, that thing wouldn't be as big as it is right now.  Yeah yeah... I contributed a few things, as did others.  But who contributed the most?  That takes something special; that takes passion, and I'm sorry to say I don't believe anyone else on this forum, myself included, has it.
Moderators: when we moderated the forum, by which I mean myself, Dark, Sebbi, Arqmeister and others, you told us we overstepped our boundaries.  Remember this?  Yeah, leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time I look at it, too.  Why?  Because I didn't like having to push that stupid ban button on JimmyDub.  It makes me feel like a useless hypocrite because, while I don't use the pirate bay or any torrenting sites anymore and haven't for years, I once did.  who am I to tell you that you shouldn't do something I once was a part of in some senses?  Reasons be damned!  I did it and I had no regret at the time!  But when I signed up for this forum, I signed up to abide by the rules set by its moderators!  When I became one, I was tasked with the responsibility of upholding them!  Do you know what that means?  No matter what I think of those rules, no matter how I feel about them, those rules are there for a reason and until they are changed for an even better reason, the fact is that they're there and should be followed, from the greatest of us to the least!
Now, I'm not a moderator; I like to think of myself as a voice in the wilderness.  I try not to come into topics like this one because more often than not I'm disgusted by the way they turn out.  You punch the mods around because they took a stance on a matter, then get them to agree with you to some extent, go away feeling all smug about yourselves until they do something else you think is absolutely overkill and childishly stupid, then you're at it again.  No, it's not all of you, but there's this collective of sorts that is constantly shouting nay nay nay!  We can't have this!  We can't have that!  Away with the rules because rules suck!  The only thing that could suck worse than rules is that other places have rules too, and so we want a place where we can go where there is no rules and no one ruling with rules!
Let me ask you something, and answer it honestly; don't you believe it would have been easier to not have rules?  Would it not be easier to just trust you all to display better judgment and then we don't have any of these issues?  Would it not be so much simpler if instead of policing the forum in a manner everyone hates, we just didn't have to police the forum at all, because we know this forum is so well behaved?  Wouldn't it be cool if if we could all just have discussions without having all of these irritating moderation warnings, cautions... I don't even know who started this cautioning nonsense!  We never did it!  You think these guys are bad?  We were worse!  We didn't give you cautions!  We gave you harsh warnings!  When you didn't heed them, we banned you!  We didn't have a lenient system where you got a sort of probation or watch for doing something that we considered a bannable offense!  You got a firm warning if it was your first, and a ban thereafter!
And you know what?  The reason it worked, was because we didn't have all these silly little loopholes the new mods, the nice mods, the wonderful mods who are trying to please and appease you at every turn have for you now!  We made it clear what we wanted and you either followed or fell to the banhammer!  No discussion of cracks!  No flaming or disrespect!  No discrimination!  IN short, be a decent person and you have nothing to worry about!  Do something against the community or the site and its voluntary staff?  You're out!
and it worked because we weren't policing the system like hawks, playing the role of helicopter parents at every turn.  We just didn't want you discussing things on the forum that could get us all in trouble!  You chose to disregard what we wanted.  In some instances we gave you some leash to run around on, while in others we felt it was not acceptible.  When you talked about cracking eloquence for NVDA we were sympathetic because we'd all been there to some degree or another and disagreed with some of the shadier practices companies were employing against blind people.  When that wasn't enough and you wanted to distribute much more questionable content, we put our foot down because we knew it would reflect badly on us all as a community.  Eloquence amy not be a mainstream subject; torrenting, however, actually is!
So what happened next?  this subset of people comes along and says, "Hey, you're not being fair all the way across the board!"  If you're going to ban us for the discussion of pirated assets, you need to ban us for cloned material within the community as well, because those are pirated assets!  And while you're at it, eloquence is not abandonware, so stop all the discussion of it as it pertains to NVDA and free/illegal ways to get it!  That is the discussion of cracking, just in case you needed to know!"  We did know!  That was us giving you a free pass and you didn't appreciate it!  We didn't care for it, but we let it go!
Fastforward a bit, and all of  a sudden, hey, notice that CP is getting mega popular?  Well, guess what, it uses pirated material!  All that mario and nintendo content!  All that music!  I wonder where all those sounds came from?  Wel, that's ok, it's a free game anyway.  right?  Well, the problem is that if we're going to go by that logic, we may as well be able to discuss all pirated content on here because you know eventually someone's going to come along and say, "Hey, you're back to this again?  Ok, here's an eloquence addon that works, and never mind because Nuance isn't working with us, and Codefactory is ripping us off!  and by the way, check out this site that gives you tons of audiodescribed content because we can't get it by any other means and the big companies don't feel any sympathy for us and boohoo hoo!"
So, the real question is, can mods trust you to handle yourselves?  Or do they have to keep pushing on you by putting up new defenses in an endless game of cat and mouse?  What is it you seriously want?  Where is it you're willing to go and how far do you have to go before you can actually stop and be happy about it?  These issues are no longer personal; they affect the whole community!  That's another big difference!  Once upon a time a member got banned and they took it personally, maybe got mad at the mod, had a few words with them off site, nuff said.  Know what Dgleks first got warned for by me?  Flaming!  It didn't go away!  So he got banned!  Guess what?  He found me on AA!  We had words!  He reformed!  He's now a mod!  Bladestorm?  Remember him?  Went on an drunken tirade and called everyone from Aprone on down a useless waste as far as audiogame development went?  Know who he contacted about his ban after he sobered up a bit?  That's right; yours truly!  None of this I'm going to get my friends to complain for me and not own up for any of my writing!  Bottom line?  when you screw up, you screw up!  The end!  NO ands buts or ifs!  If you would simply accept that as being true and realize that mods aren't out to get you but simply here to uphold rules and regulations that help this site and its forum keep going cleanly?  It's not like any of us enjoy it, and believe me, it really would be a nicer experience if you would all just, grow up! I know you can behave!  I know you can put your best foot forward!  You choose not to!  So this is the end result!

espectation. a moderator comes to defend itself saying moderation.
reality. i was wrong
dont take it seriously guys, but shure i will receibe a warning for replying in this topic.