i love the iturnity studios! my question though is how to get past those insanly fast lasers when your on a convayor

@3,178 Blind-Gamer:

Look here for all advantages/disadvantages of all single typings. When you have a multi-typing
- two susceptibilities add up to a quadruple weakness
- two resistances add up to a quadruple resistance
- a susceptibility cancels out a resistance and vice versa
- an immunity overwrites resistances or susceptibilities

There are a couple manamon with the ability levitate btw which grants immunity to earth. For example the vipesslar line, the cofena line and the venomander line.

@3,209 Arjan:

I understand it that Aaron reworked the formular on multi-typing attacks, not multi-typing defense. So for example blaze punch used to do quadruple damage on steel types even though steel does not have a quadruple weakness to anything. The single weaknesses to fire and fighting added up there. Aaron reworked that afaik.
I don't think he touched the way weakness to a single type adds up with the manamons typing though. Just how multi-type-attacks work. Might however be mistaken here. As stated before Aarons change notes leave a lot to be desired.

Just ran Thundron into the mid-60s for fun. Good news: its stats, bar speed, are pretty good, and the Mechanical Snake equipment gives him good staying power. Also has decent HP and not-too-bad attacking stats. Bad news: his best poison attacking move is Toxic Storm. This is a problem because if you want to hit with your secondary typing, you have to dump train points into a second attacking stat. Why this manamon doesn't have Toxic Tail is far, far beyond me. It did get Chomp and Tunnel though; I remember it getting Tunnel in the first game, so there's that. It's not a total write-off, since you're likely not gonna go first anyway, so arguably you can put all your train points into both attack stats. It's just a shame, though, since with Toxic Tail you could pretty much ignore special attack completely if you wanted. I think Viprolt just beats poor Thundron as far as dangerous snakes go.

I'm gonna go take the bull for a spin now, tell you what I find.

Update: Okay, so here's the verdict on the bull.
His HP is mid-high, not as high as Kamadeir but still serviceable, more than just okay. Attack stats are both meh. Not awful, not great. Defense stats are through the roof (like 145 at level 50 or thereabouts). This thing is a bona fide wall. Speed is average going on slow.
As for moves, here is an incomplete list: Takedown, Toxic Tail, Pollution Solution, Call to Arms, Defense Prayer, Sludge Guard, Jumplets, Aura Guard, Soothing Symphony, Poison Dart, Growl, Viscism, Headbutt, Smite. This is obviously not in order.
I think my final moveset was Toxic Tail, Jumplets, Pollution Solution, Call to Arms and Aura Guard. Let this thing set up on you and it will chip you to death. Problem: it's hard walled by any steel type worth its salt, who resists Jumplets and is immune to Toxic Tail/Pollution Solution. Also, Jumplets and Pollution Solution get in one another's way because one paralyzes and the other relies on stall to do chip damage over time.

The TL>DR version is this: in a more stall-oriented metagame, or with slightly more coverage moves/a healing move at its disposal, this thing would be great, great fun. As it stands, it's hard-walled by anything that can't be poisoned, it only attacks meaningfully in two types (standard and poison) and it's not all that fast. Nice idea, wrong metagame.

Meeeh, so the ureinaman conundrum isn't an isolated issue. Unsurprising, but lame.

I'd be curious how this dream team of yours ends up looking. And you mentioned swift slam on bulderdash. Doesn't that have a bit of an accuracy penalty? I remember looking at that or maybe some other moves and thinking it looked gross. And I also wonder if it can take a few hits if it has to or does it just die in one or two hits of pretty much everything.

90 accuracy. It feels like it's lower, though. Not sure if stone spin has the same issue.

It also has shields up, so that should at least help prevent it from getting one shotted. The defences weren't horrible either from what I could gather.

Mightauras is medium-slow, not super-slow. It's in roughly the same tier as stuff like Mondevol, Titomaton and the like. Things like Garganchan, Simulon, Magmazire and Volanteril are still slower by a fair margin. This thing is not a speed demon by any means, but it tanks a crapton of hits. It's only weak to earth, water, flame and fighting I believe, and it can handle fighting types to some extent with Conjure sword, as well as flame types with Earthquake, water types with Thunder Hammer. It is hard to kill this thing in one hit unless you wail it with Blaze Punch or have some insane stats and get a crit or something. And the types it resists are huge: standard, magic, ghost, undead, insect, holy, stone, air, plus it's immune to poison, and I'm sure I'm missing some types, too. It's also neutral to ice and plant instead of being weak, as a pure earth type would.
I can't stress this enough; played properly around level 90-ish, this thing can solo Pierre. All by itself. No help from other mons. I definitely don't recommend it, but it can be done. That's how good this thing is. So for me, its mediocre speed and HP stats are a fair price to pay.

Apparently Autoson gets Magic Lights now. That's random. So it can do parafuse, sort of, and it's tanky. Good stuff.

Also, Dark Gift is a completely busted move. Sac one stage of physical attack in order to gain one stage of magic attack. Dark Gift, meet Oblivion Dance, which boosts both attack stats for no penalty. GG Mortrex gets both within twelve levels of each other. That made me laugh out loud.

guys i need an answer, and yes i searched but did not find anything, how to destroy barron byron, he is so hard

Thinking about mightauras with like
50% attack and 25% hp/speed point spread.
Lol yeah, mortrex was good first game and only got better. I think it even got some stat boosts. Great stuff.

Pity the gift manamon in the game, i.e., the ones you get in trades, kind of suck. The list is Bayowoof, Autoson and Slothing, in case anyone's curious. You have to give up Symphonid, Aperishian and Jiminite, respectively. No thanks. The only one that's even remotely worth it is the one for Bayowoof since you also get a unique item this way.
It would be neat if instead of asking for your Aperishian for his Autoson, the guy asked for your Autoson in exchange for his Aperishian. And would be neat if the guy asking for Jiminite gave you Sheepit, not freaking Slothing. Slothing is just...disgusting, really. Great attack, decent defenses, good bulk, meh speed, and an ability that cripples it. Here's some hail with a side of nope.

I do wonder something... when if ever do you put train points into HP, and when do you put points into defenses? Like, which is better? Or does it depend. I know that obviously, if you've already got somewhat low health, jacking that up wouldn't really do much. But are there any times when it's not so clear cut?