2024-02-10 16:08:59

The world isn’t a lubed up waterslide, just cause you banned political discussion, does not mean that you have to ban civilizations games. What kind of slippery slope nonsense is that. At least be rational with your criticisms.
The point of banning political discussion is to ban overt  political threads, that create  a lot of toxicity. We all know what kind of thread we are talking about when we say ban Political Discussions, no one thinks we should be banning civilizations

2024-02-10 16:33:52

We could ban egregious rules-lawyering. When people say "politics," they don't mean the literal textbook definition based on its Greek roots. They mean contemporary political topics that have a very high likelyhood of generating useless drama. Trump, gender, Trump, elections, immigration, Trump, Israel/Palestine, fascism / communism, capitalism / socialism, political party A Vs political party B, recent wars, the Holocaust, less talked-about genocides, historical colonialism by European empires, Trump, race, sexuality, and/or Trump.
What I'm saying is, just STFU about Trump. The man is gasoline to our kindling. Discussing him or issues surrounding him never ends well or accomplishes anything. Yes, we get it; Trump is a terrible human being, but some people like him anyway, and that does not compute for some people because some people are not use to being surrounded by people who generally do not compute and having to learn painstakingly over decades how to comprehend others well enough to realize when, say, starting a thread about Trump on the internet will lead to nothing positive whatsoever.
I get that some of us are more autistic than others, and don't intuit things like social standards, terms that get used all kinds of different ways (I sincerely doubt anyone who says they fear genuine fascism in North America has any idea how either Fascism or US / Canadian governance actually works, but I am not a mindreader). So here is your clerification: not "political: concerning matters of diplomacy, social status and how it changes, and leadership of organized groups," but rather, "political: when your crazy uncale talks about these things at holiday gatherings, you either feel a sudden upwelling of rage, or leave the room to avoid the potential conflict". Or, "Political: contemporary controversial subjects associated with contemporary politics (references to historical political figures, movements, and events are often made, but are not typically the controversies themselves)."

I don't use "autistic" as an insult here, btw. I know some people do that, so I thought I should clerify. "Reading the room," as they call it, is one of those things many, many people are actually kinda bad at. In my experience, blind people are particularly prone to this, but it's not just a blind people thing. It matters when we wade into incendiary subjects, though.

TLDR: Stop talking about Trump. Stop talking about recent wars. Stop talking about anything you could get destroyed for mentioning the wrong way on Twitter. Talking about the differences between Athenian democracy and the Roman senate is fine.
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2024-02-10 20:38:02

@10and @17 the problem is that a lot of people don't want to or know how to build a clean slate. And trust is a two way street. What do you do if people take your trust and act in bad  faith with it? You assume that everyone wants what you want, but they don't. Especially trolls, who think that high toxicity is entertaining. What do you do then? How do you figure out whether they are acting in good faith? The Internet gives people the ability to troll and cause toxicity from the comfort and safety of their homes. The reason why the bar analogy falls flat is because people can actually be physically hurt at a bar, which inherently keeps things controlled. That doesn't apply online, and making that problem harder is that people can call themselves whatever they want so you can't even identify them later if they don't want that. Your ideal seems utterly infeasible to me for these reasons, even before we get into what the other posters said.

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2024-02-12 16:07:22

We dont trust the admins because they don't deserve our trust in the least. They are being completely and utterly irresponsible and treating this forum like a graveyard which they don't want to touch or interact with. This forum could be destroyed and the mods wouldn;t notice. So we might as well abandon this forum, for all anyone will care.

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2024-02-12 17:34:55 (edited by aaron 2024-02-12 17:36:13)

On the slowness front, at the moment, there's literally nothing we can do but wait. I want this fixed as much as you, and so does the rest of the team. I've also informed the rest about the spam problem. This is the highest priority at the moment, but until I hear back, there isn't much to report on.

2024-02-12 22:32:53

It is noble of you to be a team player and all, but this situation needs a firm hand.  Spammers have taken over the forum just like in the early days of the web where email and IRC chat servers were flooded with garbage.

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