haha, agreed    with your last post, luci 
I saw it too, just,  oh my,  lol

You are certainly not idiot. Should my post above makes you uncomfortable, I am sorry. What I trying to bring up is, whatever is said, nothing is going to change. Admins will continue to work the way they are now. From the post in this forum, you can see how they will react.

at slj: not chat with normal players? Fine, but than no questions will get answered either. And even if admins had normal player accounts, what difference would that make in terms of chatting etc? Sooner or later people figure out that a certain account is the normal one of an admin, and everything just repeats itself, but then player versus player.

I'm sorry Akilor, but Amine exactly gave you a prove in chat log, and kia explained it in a better way in a message isn't enough. Also, you guys right that in fact admins shouldn't insult anyone and it won't matter if their english is bad or not, just, I was talking about persons with bad english cause they actually can't defend them selves when getting that. Of corse it's different with folks who can speak english well, but there is another thing, if someone will try to insult an admin, he or she will get ban imediately, doesn't matter, is it hiddenly or not. I can't say I am holy and never insulted anyone in this game, I did, many times, but if I wasn't right, I was giving my apologise, and as I remember, I never were doing it hiddenly, with a point that if they don't understand it's not counting, and more than, I'm not an admin there. In games where I am there is no such behavior, and if will be... Well we all know what will happen I guess. I'm not talking about the whole admin's team now, as I said, I like how do some admins in this game acting, but honestly, I'm tired of someone's childish unrespectful behavior. Players, of corse, shouldn't behavioring so as well, for this thing there are the admins. But if the admins, actually, do such things, it's understandable, normal player's actions will be the same. We're not perfect, all, but it doesn't mean we have to do it being worse.

OK, lol, my bad, this many poasts makes it harder to keep track of things.

hello.
at hamada:
No man. You never Insaulted anyone, At least as far as I know! I was talking to amine because I don't know why when I say something here, Sometimes(Most of the times) Everyone want to keep it as an excuse, Not a normal excuse, A stupid excuse!
I brought your name there because that user (I can't spell his/her name) Said it doesn't matter, and amine and hamada are both admins now! congrats to them,(Something like this I just siad).
And at that user that I can't spell his/her name:
I now got it, I'm sorry for my harshsh post, But I think when you want to comment something like that one, That can make harsh to the user who reads it, Bring something to him/her don't mistaken just like me! heheh. Anyways, I'm sorry about that.
and at Akiller:
Well Someone has posted a log(I think he was amine), And in that log, You can see an admin, Insaulted a player wich don't know english very well. It's somehow hiddenly!
And again, I really agree with luciana.
And I don't know if the bellow thing will have any matters for some of you guise(Look,  I did not said all of you so don't mistaken). Gonna give you an old suggestion. Because talking about that maybe is better than talking about some harsh things:
I think players need to have ability of changing their shelters. But in fact, There should be some limitations:
1: Players should not be able to change the shelters max x and max y.
2: Players should not be able to drop more than 2 or 3 animals on their shelter, Deppending on how big is their shelter.
3: Players should not be able to drop animals in the air, Because I guess it will give a bgt run time error.
And what should they be able to do:
1: Changing ambiences, But player should not be able to Have an ambience just where the last one is spawned.
2: Selecting the shelter's music.
3: Changing tiles.
4: Adding tiles! (Means that player may have ability of spawning a tile everywhere on his/her shelter).
5: Player may have ability of spawning A fiew trees on their shelters.
6: Maybe player can have ability of spawning some sort of items like berry, branch and wood if they have at least one tree in their shelter. The timer should not be in the player's hands.

Well I think if sam ever wants to add this great feature, He might need to create a menu for doing this all. Because for example for spawning a tile, With command, player can spawn the tile with the wrong sounds, ... But with a menu of steps, Just like 2dp, He/she can drop their tiles easily.
Well sorry for the long post,
Bye!

Modifying shelters for players would be really nice, cause as you know there are only a few players for now who can visit modifyed admins shelters, I had some experiences with that.

But I think the lag is coming from wrong-editing shelters. This is why I said max x and max y should not be changed. I guess this is why that makes the server laggy.
In the ultrapower's documentation builder file, We had that max x and max ys should not be changed.
So maybe they Had some reasons that they said this.
look, here :
Do not ever change the mapname, maxx, or maxy attributes, because it may introduce bugs.

What do you mean by things might go wrong people could die? Well sam if do whatI said, And add limitations for everything that I still don't know of the map system, Nothing can go wrong expect a bug! And if a feature should not be added just because of a bug, There is no features to ad to the game anymore.
And well. As always, when an admin catches a bug, he/she notify the server about that, and then if a player used that bug in their shelters and he/she died, That's not fault of anyone.

No luciana. It doesn't matter if I know anything or not. If sam create a menu for doing that, Everyone can learn it! Just like hunting!
And of corse we/they will don't need to learn codes and stuff for that.

Well cridicview. This can be solved as well. It might be a bit hard but It is possible to be solved:
First game should check if a player's z is more than 0 and he is staying on a flore, clearing tiles be Unavailable.
Or even why should player be able to clear tiles, It even can make bugs. I think changing tiles is Enough. Even if sam let the player select the surface by menus, Player can not have an empty Surface in his/shis shelter. So it's not a big problem. It has many ways to be fixed.

I did not said that player should not be able to change tiles. I said player should not be able to clear/remove the tiles completely.
If the map system in stw uses dictionaries, So player can spawn a tile on the other one and they will be replaced. So no need to worry about that.