I would think that pointing out that spelling the thing you're arguing against properly is important doesn't count as a personal attack in any context, but especially in a context where the person misspelling it is trying to portray themselves as an expert on the topic.  Unless other people were pointing out mistakes in your text that I missed, I literally pointed out exactly one.

Also, if we want to talk about personal attacks the first stone was thrown in 41, frankly, wherein apparently STEM majors are unethical or something?  I mean I've only engaged with the content for the most part.  I haven't done stuff like take what the other person has said and turn it into proposing that we lie to the participants of medical trials, or literally say that holy fuck this is an example of someone who shouldn't run the country?  But whatever.  I have a thick enough skin that I honestly don't care because you're a random person on the internet, but I'm not going to sit by while the person who threw the first stone claims I was attacking people as opposed to attacking their arguments.  I'm not the one coming over here and being outraged for the sake of being outraged.

Look, Ghost, if you want people to engage with you then learn to change your mind or at least to lose an argument gracefully.  Taking what the person on the other side says and always finding the worst possible interpretation to make them look bad, changing the definition of terms and hoping no one notices, and attacking them doesn't get you anything at all.  I hope that at some point you can work out what to do with what is clearly a large amount of undirected anger, but to the rest of this site you have now done more to discredit everything you said than I possibly could have.

I actually can see both sides of the debate, however as pointed out in post 77 Ghost has serious problems accepting to lose an argument, and alters his ideas many times then he never accepts to admit that he lost a particular point, and rather try to defend it to death. So that is not the best way of presenting anything. I've had similar experience with him in another topic.
I do agree that in biology things often are kind of deceiving and there is always more and more new and surprising things that scientists discover about the human body every day. So if the question is simply which one to take, and both are available I wouldn't choose the totally new method just for the fear of the unknown. But if I have no other choice I would take Pfizer as we are in a pandemic, and any protection is better than 0 protection, even if it has a slight risk of long-term side effects.
I think that's what Ghost was originally saying, but I have no idea how the topic evolved like that lol.
IMO the problem now is bigger than the side effects because the tests that were conducted showed very clearly that it is very safe, at least short-term. nonetheless, the question here is whether the vaccine will really do what scientists intended it to do, (create the herd immunity).
And sadly many factors are showing that it won't, because first of all the antibodies are disappearing within 6 months, I am lazy to dig up links now but if you google it you will find plenty. My friend who lives in US actually caught Covid  twice, and needed hospital in both times in a period of 7 months. Yes this will protect the lucky people who will take it right now, but by the time we can produce vaccine for the other non-vaccinated this protection will be gone and thus again we won't have the required percentage of vaccinated people.
Another important point to consider is the mutations, until now it is not clear if the vaccine will be effective on the new UK/South Africa mutation, which might very likely be present in other countries as well but just not yet discovered. In general, this is very clearly going to be like the flue shots, so it will need to be updated every year. I think our only hope right now that these currently available vaccines save the most vulnerable people, until the virus mutates to something weak and become like the flue.

Okay, stopping in here real quick to say one thing, and one thing only.

This argument appears to be over. The kicking of Ghost stops now.

There were some bad arguments, and there was some less-than-charitable stuff said, but this is getting painfully close to personal attack territory, or I will begin handing out warnings.

OK Sorry  Ethin,  but  pointing  out the spelling mistake in the way is clearly  an attack. Any idiot with  a few neurons still alive in their brain can  very clearly   see that. And it is an ivasion tactic that shifts focus away from the actual argument. You are like a broken record spewing the same stuff over and over and over again. I never ever claimed to be an expert in biology, and clearly stated I was conveying my opinions. Thev whole thread was really civil until Camlorn did what he  does best, and took up the inflamatory comments, decided a CS degree made him a biologist, which he then turned around and accused me of doing, and then was like  we should suspend ethics and let people be infected with a yet unknown virus, and casually was like, yeah we'll kill off  quite a few participants but yeah, totally ignored credible medical sources I sited that suggested an approach like this wasn't worth the risk and was pointless, personally attacked me over spelling, accused me of killing people, regardless of the fact that I didn't erge anyone to do the same, tried to play dumb  and claim that MRNA vaccines were equally known and safe as  other vaccines using different technology, and insighted personal attacks against me in this thread.
78, I recommend you actually do a google search on what college is, and what an advanced degree entails, hint its not like high school, before attacking me personally. As for debate, do you know anything about debate? I   think not.
As for star fire, I didn't mean the translation as an insult at all. I was trying to point out that natively language can be used to convey meaning without having it explicitly stated in a sentence.

So, I see that Ghost is now calm. Please be calm, Ethin. We're now getting hot... Please resolve it with peace.
re: Translation, I get it now. Guess I was going very harsh on you.
This topic is now moving to a war, now, so it's departure time for me.

Imho, we should all nope out of here, nothing's gonna come from this.

So I had my first dose of the Oxford vaccine today, and now my arm - near the injection site - seems to respond to fridge magnets. Is this normal?

Also, when I walk past our router, there's a high pitched beeping sound and the internet drops out entirely, or redirects all our connected devices to Chinese ad sites.

Take your chances kids.

@92
Hell yeah. Also factor in that if I tell the world I'm joking, someone will think I'm being coerced by the nanites swarming through my blood stream.

@94, Nice way of criticizing me while simultaneously completely failing to recognize your own faults and failures. And yes, your "advanced degree" is completely meaningless in this discussion. The skills you may have attained during the degree can also be attained via self-education. I acknowledge that you took the (probably harder) route to attain those skills... And thereby earned a fancy peace of paper for it that says that you did... But that still doesn't make your advanced degree mean anything in the context of this discussion. So, just because you have an "advanced degree" in no way entitles you to act like an expert in biology -- which is what you've been doing in this entire topic from your first post.

@1
Fuck it bruh, why not take both!  Just violently thrust one into each arm while roaring a mighty battle cry, and see which one kicks the most COVID ass  amiright?  Worst case scenario, you end up with blood which can explosively destroy all corona variants instantly on contact with skin!  Wicked Sick!
Note to idiots: Never do this.

P.S. Ghost and Ethin pointlessly arguing with each other in circles for ever is what truly awaits us all in hell, (one constantly  doubling down no matter how  bad the argument, the other always insisting he's better than this but never actually leaving).
"Neither ego can live while the other survives"

Btw, I liked 91's intentional throwing of an implicit message in the form of a joke to kick the butts of those conspiracy theory whiners
For your information, the op has died after taking his shot yesterday.

I mean, that's what he's told me some seconds ago.

But as far as I'm concerned there's a slight chance each vaccine you take can kill you. The older you are, the higher the risk.