2021-02-12 17:00:38

so I’ve made one or two topics about being independent and with the help of some teachers from my school I’m learning how to get around my town and also learning how to use the stove. I know how to use the microwave and the coffee maker and I know how to fold clothes. What else should I learn to be as independent as I Canby
Thanks for all the help

2021-02-12 17:14:56 (edited by omer 2021-02-12 17:15:34)

what do you consider as independent

2021-02-12 17:17:56

If the goal is to live on your own without sighted help you need the microwave, laundry, cleaning, basic grooming/personal hygiene (e.g. cut your own fingernails, do your hair so it's not all over the place--obviously you already shower), basic budgeting, and a phone that can run a grocery delivery app and Uber. Also obviously a source of money but that's not an O&M skill.

You'll want more than that for luxury but you can even go so far as to bake one-person cakes in the microwave so that'll cover cooking for a while.  Being able to go out is nice, and you're going to want friends, so the rest isn't "optional" as such but these days you can go months at a time without ever stepping outside your front door if you really want as long as the internet is working.  Basic stove, basic oven, basic "I can walk around the block", "I feel confident and able to ride the bus/train" add a lot to quality of life though.  But they're optional in the sense that their lack doesn't stop you from living independently, just less optional if you want to live happily.

Also protip: if you buy all your clothes so that they match, that is 5 shirts and 5 shorts is 25 acceptable outfits, you never have to worry about color.  You can also get color absorber things for the washer that'll prevent having to sort and do multiple loads, or buy higher quality clothes that won't bleed.  Lots of blind people don't know that, and we didn't when I was younger, and laundry was just an epic terrible nightmare.  But these days I throw one load in and press start.  If you want to go that route you're looking for things like polyester and various synthetics as opposed to cotton, e.g. polo or under armor.

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2021-02-12 17:21:04

Also since I'm posting tips, you want these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016B … &psc=1

Don't know where the color absorbers are because I don't need them anymore, but those are laundry detergent pods.  No pouring required.  That specific pack will last over 6 months.  You grab one, toss it in with your clothes, and turn it on.  Pre-measured and everything.  Don't even have to know what compartment in the washer is for detergent since it goes straight in the tub.

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2021-02-12 17:32:32

I think I know most of the things that you are talking about. I will be able to get a phone and Internet but this is all around a year away so things could change and I could learn more

2021-02-12 17:48:21

This topic is a golden topic for the blinds that are still growing up I need to learn to be independent. Good job on creating it.

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2021-02-12 17:53:41

Hello,
@camlorn, since you seem to be the one with most of the experience here, the 2 things on your list of things to know I'm not 100% sure I have properly learned are nail cutting and cleaning. I think I can probably figure out the former without much of an issue, my nails are literally never straight even when sighted humans cut them, but cleaning is such a weird subjective thing and I'm not 100% sure of what all I really need to worry about. E.G, I know a few people who insist that *everything* aught to be cleaned, even going so far as the sink and the bath, both of which, uh, kind of shouldn't need cleaning in my opinion. I mean sure you have toothpaste in the sync, but unless you spit it out really early it won't be able to condense much anyhow, and if you're anything like me, you always run that tap just to rinse the toothbrush off when you're done anyway.
Also, when it comes to cleaning toilets, what all do you actually do? E.G, is it enough to just dump some bleach in there and let it do it's thing? Or do you actually have to go in there with a brush and such like. And as far as general dusting of the house is concerned, would it be enough to simply get one of those autonomous vacuum cleaners and let it do it's thing?

2021-02-12 19:07:59

money management, and if you want to eat good stuff, learn how to cook, but I suppose living out of the microwave and the stove top works if you want the basics, navigating your living area is very important, shopping at a store and getting help at said store is also useful to know.  It helps if you have someone to help you out with shopping if you live in a tiny ass town.  Otherwise use a delivery survice if your in a large town or city.  kitchen appliences I recommend are a crock pot, a toaster oven for the times you don't want to start the larger oven to heat up pizza or a couple burritos, a coffee applience of your choice, a tea pot.a

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2021-02-12 19:11:32

Fingernails with fingernail clippers are actually pretty easy after the first few times, and fingernail clippers themselves aren't dangerous at all.  You can feel the entire process, and you basically just cut off the points until there aren't any.  For that one, just try it is my advice.  That's what I did, sometime in high school when I got tired of asking for help and it ended pretty fine.

Sinks and showers do need to be cleaned.  Your parents or whoever are doing it.  Trust me, you can tell If it's not.  it'll both smell and be easy enough to feel.  Toothpaste does clump up in the bottom of sinks, and showers will get a sort of residue buildup from soap.  In both cases, you get a rag and a cleaner and have at it.  Typically you get the cleaner on the entirety of the shower and the sink, let it sit for a few minutes to break down stuff, then scrub.  It's entirely possible to feel if it's dirty, so that's not a huge issue.  Most of cleaning is about learning to be regular when scrubbing, since as a blind person it's going to take active practice to learn to not miss spots.  The cleaner I use for sinks and showers currently is this.  There are lots of other options, but I've found that that one does a pretty good job on everything bathroom except the toilet, but the downside is it's not in a spray bottle, so getting it on the thing in the first place is kind of hard, but I'm odor sensitive and that one doesn't bother me, plus it's really strong.  But in the general case you just go to any store and buy some, because mostly they're the same.

The toilet is the gross one.  Bleach isn't enough.  Urine and feces will build up on the inside of it.  Fortunately, you don't have to use your hands.  Toilet brushes are basically a wire brush with a long handle.  The cleaner for that comes in a bottle with a sort of curved thing on the top that you run around the rim as you squeeze it, and then it runs down the side of the bowl.  You let that sit for a few minutes, then you get out your toilet brush and methodically scrub it and that's fine.  You'll also want to wipe down the outside with a rag as well, and something like the above linked cleaner isn't a bad idea.  If you have a penis, then missing slightly from time to time is something that may be happening to you--and usually people who are caring for you are going to be too polite to say much.  So you have to be careful of that.  I used to know one blind guy who dealt with it by always sitting, but you don't have to if you're good at it.  But you do want to make sure you know if this is happening, because even if it's slight that's going to be a reason to clean it more often.

Bleach is also a good all-purpose cleaner, but with less tolerance if you're blind.  You don't want to touch it with your bare skin, and it'll show on your clothes pretty much permanently if you even so much as spill it on your shirt for a couple minutes.  Sometimes it's useful, but I avoid it because it makes me ill if it's so much as in the same building, plus the aforementioned.

You will want to learn to manually vacuum and mop.  I'll come back to automated vacuums in a sec but there are no good automated mops.  You can either use a bucket of water and a traditional mop, or any of the variety that have pre-set pads you just stick on, but which doesn't matter so much.  The primary difficulty is (again) learning to be regular and methodical so you don't miss stuff.  Vacuums work on dry stuff, but bathrooms and kitchen spills are a real problem and your choices are either mop or get on the floor with a rag, and trust me that mopping is way faster.

Automated vacuums are amazing, but you get what you pay for.  I have one, because pandemic funtimes mean that I don't have the energy to get the regular vacuum out and I'd just keep "I'll do it tomorrow" indefinitely.  Plus we had one in Florida that easily handled 3 large dogs and a 1500 square foot house.  It empties itself at a base station, you configure it to run on a schedule with an app, and then you maybe intervene once a month or so if the app is like "your vacuum didn't empty properly" or "your vacuum got stuck".  It just comes out twice a week, runs around and does it's thing for 45 minutes, and does a better job than I can after many years of practice with the regular one.  Doesn't get caught on shoestrings or cords or anything, is smart enough to not run your feet over, etc.  The only real downside is that mine can be a little bit loud, and they're not going to be so great if the entire house is carpet.  But you want to avoid carpet anyway, to be honest.

*but*.  The price tag on that is around $1000.  The lower end ones aren't going to get the job done.  Mine is iRobot.  I'd maybe trust Samsung.  But the $500 range or so, even from iRobot, is some wheels, a fan, and some bumper sensors.  The iRobot will last for years and years, if you take care of it and don't like have kids trampling it.  The one the family has back in Florida has been going strong for like 4 or 5 at this point with no major issues.  SO once you've got one you're probably okay, and you can probably find one used and etc, and it's really nice, but you'll have to choke on that price to get one that's as good as what a human can do.  Fortunately regular vacuuming isn't hard, it's jut annoying.

Lastly, the things you're forgetting about: you need to scrub tables, tops and front of counters and cabinets, dust the tops of dressers and desks, and make sure to frequently wipe down the stove.  Especially the stove; if you don't do the stove, it'll literally bake stuff on so bad that you can't get it off.  The oven is fortunately easy if you get a self-cleaning one: you press a couple buttons, it does it's thing, then you vacuum out the bottom for like 30 seconds to get the ashes out.  Anything I haven't mentioned above doesn't take any particular skill, but knowing that something is dirty and needs to be cleaned can be a challenge, and knowing just what all in your house is going to need a good dusting and when is something that's easy to overlook.

Now, the good news.  The good news is that for most of this you'll just need to find someone who's cleaning, be like "I need to learn to clean, can I shadow you and help?" and do that a few times.  It's not dangerous, it's not *that* hard, it's just time consuming and icky.  The way this works out in practice is that once you get your first couple cleaning skill points or whatever, you'll be able to clean fine but it'll take you 2 or 3 or 10 times longer than the sighted person. But you get fast at it really fast, so that doesn't last long and then it's just that annoying thing you have to do once every week or two.

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2021-02-12 19:18:00

Don't pack your freezer stupidly full. If you feel where the air comes out, feel for another set of vents that don't seem to be doing anything. Some have these, others do not. If yours has them, try your best to keep them as uncovered as possible. This is the return and it won't sense the temperature correctly and thus, will not work correctly if this is covered.

Another thing, though the timing is not good for this tip as people don't generally hang out anymore but learn where your damn light switches are. Even if you don't need them for your own personal use, don't be that dipshit who expects company but never turns on any lights. It's odd and makes people feel uncomfortable. If you have porch lights or live in a house and there are lights on a post or anything that's not on a timer outside, make sure you know where they are and turn the bitches off when you're not using them as they eat power.

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2021-02-12 19:30:43

O haha lights.  Yeah.  I forget to turn on the lights all the time.  Most of the time there's enough light from the windows that the meetings and work and stuff are fine but every once in a while there's a good-natured "we can't see you".

I guess if we're going to talk about presentation: know how to hang nice shirts.  Make sure you have some nice button-up shirts to hang.  Get some dress pants, or at least some jeans.  Knowing how to tie a tie is optional and depends a lot on what field you're going into, but all of the aforementioned help a *lot* when it comes to getting interviewers to take you seriously.  All the sighted people do this, but if we're talking about "what don't I know that I need to know" this is yet another thing that no one may have mentioned.  It's stupid social signalling.  Basically there are things that people do where the whole point is that you expend effort to show how much something means, and you do so in a society-defined manner, and the society-defined manner for virtue signalling "I want this job" is button-up shirt, nice pants, etc.

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2021-02-12 19:54:43

There are a lot of things to learn how to be independent and I think the most vital advice I can offer is, try and try. You might fail once or twice, but you will eventually learn what you need to do. That's how I learnt most of the things. Be not discouraged if you fail, remember that even sighted people fail like you, actually just as terribly as me or you sometimes. Actually, my brother spills more sugar than me when preparing a coffee. Living alone made me realise that I could do a lot of things, and that many things were easier than I thought. It's just that we need to try.
One problem while learning to do things is the presence of other people who will always be ready to help you and who will have the idea that while they are there, they should do whatever it might be there for you and you don't have to do that because you are blind. That might be a good indication for you to try learning things while you're alone at home, or making clear to your parents that you want to learn to do something on your own, and may be ask them to help you with learning. Honestly this was something that I didn't have to deal with because I had no one watching and I didn't care if I did everything right or wrong. I had to deal with cleaning spills, the toilet, sink,  vacuuming/mopping the floor, and many more.
Again, just try and I asure you you will learn so many things.

2021-02-12 20:05:00

@11, the precious tie. I was pretty much forced to learn to do it myself after my parents would tie it so stupidly I felt ashamed of it, and I went on YT and learnt how to do a double Windsor. I'm still trying to get the Trinity. Also, another thing to consider, not sure if other blind people do it, you'll also wanna be skilled with tying your shoes and making sure its not flapping and pelting all over the place

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2021-02-12 20:06:09

If you don't want to mess with the  bleach, go for the cleaning vinigure and baking soda.  I usually put baking soda in the toilet and then put in the vinigure and use the toilet brush to scrub the inside of the toilet.  Let that sit for a while and then flush the vinigure and baking soda mixture down the toilet.  let the back tahnk fill again and flush again.  Those things also work for clogged toilets, and so does hot water if the clog is bad.  A plunger is a good thing to have. Make sure you get ta toilet one and a sink one.  The toilet ones have a thing in the middle, while the sink ones do not.  Never say never when it comes to something like that. I once new a guy who didn't think he needed one, and when the situation arose for a plunger, he was not a happy dude.  I believe my brother had to come and help him out.

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2021-02-12 20:20:46

@13
You could just get shoes that don't require tying.  That does exist now.  I would recommend learning it, but that option does exist.

@14
It's spelled vinegar.

Also, I hate to tell you that that's almost certainly not working as well as you think it is.  The vinegar + baking soda thing is not a strong cleaner at all.  It's probably only getting half of it off.  Literally any cleaner is going to be better/easier.

I can't stress this enough.  Your house can be a moldy pig stye that gives people food poisoning just by breathing the air and sighted people still won't say "did you know your carpet is melting and looks like something from the university biology lab?"  Usually the most you get is suddenly you're always going out with your friends rather than them coming over.  Be very careful about figuring out if what you're doing actually works, or you just think it does.

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2021-02-12 20:36:16

ok, so cleaning out toilets and sinks isn't optional. You can also use  laundry detergent for this task, as well as hot water. You can use an old sponge to get the  inside of the toilet and sink with gloves of course. For laundry, I recommend powder detergent over liquids easier to handle and measure, plus its much cheaper.
Throwing all laundry in a single load may not be the best option.  In college I did three loads for laundry. The clothes that could take the highest temperatures, over  200F, 95C, stuff with elastic that still needed high temperatures, and regular clothes like sweatpants and sleeved thick shirts. You also want to wash stuff like wool seperately as well. You don't need the three loads, but seperating  clothes into stuff that should be washed in hot  and everything else except wool is a good idea.
If you can, get accessible apliences that offer braille and/or control via an app or any other accessible method of control. If your oven doesn't self clean, you can use a sponge and dish detergent for that for the oil stains as well. Mop floors, and vacume carpets. I don't know about smart vacumes, but from reviews it appears they don't do as good a job at carpets compared to corded models. Also with the prices, with the price of a very good smart vacume, you could get 2-3 very high quality corded vacumes.
For nails, its a rather easy process. You clip large nails in several pieces until it is mostly equal.
If you live in an area with severe weather, snowstorms, ice storms etc, install a weather app on your phone. The wunderground app is good, and will send a notification to your phone if an advisory or warning is issued.
As for skills in general, you need budgeting skills at an advanced level if you live alone for a long time, personal care,  cleaning, cooking, O&M,  technology literacy these are stuff I swould consider manditory, not nice to have skills.
A couple other things are, purchase a good quality scanner to scan mail, as well as ABBY Finereader OCR if you can aford it, as it is probably the best OCR available, and is accessible too. This will also help you work with inaccessible documents.

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2021-02-12 20:40:56

15, that is a good point. Mold will form when there is dampness. You shouldn't leave spills in a carpet. Or better yet, avoid the spill in the first place. Also more suggestions
Get a credit card, or at least several with different uses, such a no foreign fees card, a grocery card etc. I would recommend getting at least an  American Express as one of them, as it has a dispute charges feature, and purchase protection, and automatic extended warranty for electronics. Once you have a credit card, I  would advise against using a bank card, as credit card fraud protections and theft protection is much more robust and also the purchase protection where you get charged a wrong amount or refused a refund for a damaged/defective product.

A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."

2021-02-12 20:45:52

@16
I love my "I only have to do one load of laundry" solution though.  i guess it depends what you're doing and if you're outside all the time maybe you can't manage it, but mostly you don't need to wash things on hot anyway and if you just buy your clothes to make your life easy, it makes life very easy indeed.

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2021-02-12 20:56:54 (edited by Hijacker 2021-02-12 20:57:35)

ySmall addendum to automated vacuum cleaners: those are great if you can efford them. The only thing you might still need to take care of are edges and corners, since automated cleaners tend to leave some remains there, but to be honest, thats not alot of work, and you can do it once a month, even two if you can live with that.
Light switches: see if you can make your home smart if that is something that really bothers you. Some electrician or sighted person who knows something about power connections etc can add you some wall switches behind the actual light switch that can be controlled via an app and will integrate perfectly fine with the actual physical switch, so that you can shut everything off either via app or via assistants like Alexa, Siri or Google Assistant. There are some from Shelly, for example, which are cheap ($20 per switch), don't require a bridge but WiFi only and are rather small.

2021-02-12 21:01:10 (edited by Ghost 2021-02-12 21:03:22)

I would argue the temperature  depends on the clothing type. If you wash cold, though you may save energy, that doesn't kill bacteria. So bacteria continues growing and multiplying on the clothes, moreover you now transfer that bacteria to all other clothing in the washer as well as the washer itself.  That will cause the machine to smell easily. So  I will typically wash clothes with direct contact on the body like undershirts and socks as well as towels etc on the hottest setting possible, and the other regular clothing get a warm, 40C wash. This is especially relevent if you have a skin infection too, or you will keep reinfecting yourself with the clothes. Though I do admit people in college would just cram everything in the washer and wash that way, was what I did in graduate school where washers were paid as well. But if you have your machine in the unit, it shouldn't be too much trouble to load the machine.

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2021-02-12 21:21:37

So just use a better detergent?  Lots and lots of ways to kill bacteria that aren't cooking your clothes.

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2021-02-12 21:57:05

There are many advises here are that made me surprise which should they be already Your basic skills but, anyway, let's come to my own ones. i will try to not repeat what have been already said here.

1.Have confidence. Love Yourself. You can do it by Your doing so.
2.Being independent and living as an independent person starts with willing to be independent. so i don't know where do You live and so do Your culture.  Your family or the other people  may try to come against it. Do not listen them, try hard although know Yourself very well and Your imagination suppose to be reasonable.
3.Make money, money is the key factor here. if You got the money You got the know how to manage Your money.
4.Be sociable do not afraid talking people.
5.Befriend with others but, don't forgeting being Your own friend is a must too. Go and sit at a bar or a cafetheria by Your own. You can enjoy it too. Believe You still have a chance of interacting other peoples there as well. A confident blind person may take attention.
6.Learn to cook a bit but, you can postpone this to a some other time.

2021-02-12 23:56:03

21, the main purpose of detergent from my understanding isn't to sanatize, but to remove stuff like dirt stains etc. I really don't think cooking clothes is any more harmful than disolving it with bleach or more detergent. This is still the way many wash their clothes around the world, and of course only for matterials that can handle it. Seems only in north america machines have dummbed down temp settings iether because of crazy federal energy requirements or for the companies to cover their asses in case someone accidentally selects the option.
But as for independence again, money is very important too. Someone blind will get less out of a comparable salary to a sighted person due to all the expenses that are extra, hardware, transportation, software etc.

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2021-02-13 00:00:11

Yea i was meaning the same. Money is so important and love it. it iwll add up a lot to Your independence.

2021-02-13 00:05:56

If you plan to use your dishwasher, do not use the liquid soap. Note that dish washing liquid and the soap that is used in dish washers are not the same. If you must use the liquid dish washing soap, make sure to get the right stuff. A must when using liquid soap in the dish washer is to not turn the heated drying on. If you do this, you will bake anything you missed when rinsing onto your plates, bowls, forks, knives, etc. When this happens, you will need to let it soak in hot water then scrub it clean.

For dishwashers, the pods work well. All you need to do is get it out and put it in the slot designed for these, then close it. Don't rip[ or open the packaging and especially do not touch it with wet hands. That outer layer that keeps the stuff inside is designed to dissolve, and if you get the inner shit on your hands, it's not a good time.

You probably don't clean as well as you think you do. Don't be surprised if your family comes over and says that you have all this stuff going on, but your friends probably won't as Camlorn pointed out. They'll just stop coming around. This is true even if you do a thorough job, you're going to miss things, it's a given.

If your place has a gas stove, be careful how rapidly you turn the flame down, you can make too big a change and it will go out and you may not notice. Though the sound of the gas coming out before it is lit and the sound of it after are quite distinguishable. It's just harder to hear when the flame is very low. Also, a lot of these stoves now have the electric igniter built right in rather than relying on a pilot light. If this is the case, keep some matches on hand, or a lighter so you can cook if the power goes out. Don't let gas stuff worry you though, if it is on and not lit, you will most definitely smell it. It only takes once for you to remember what that smell is and you'll recognize it the next time, and since some gas has to come out before it will light, you'll smell it. Also, the smell is harmless and an additive to assist in safety measures.

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