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nolan · 2020-09-11 23:40:07

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OK, this is driving me insane. Is there some way to scroll in the default command prompt without:

[1. Opening the application menu.
2. Selecting Edit.
3. Selecting Scroll.
4. Paging around, then discovering that NVDA won't let you review your screen.

Under Linux, this was literally Ctrl-PGUP,Ctrl-PGDN and Orca read things just fine. I've been redirecting long command output to a log and opening that, but that's getting painful. Clearly I have to be missing something, but I don't know what.

Edit: Oh, and is there something better than the terminal that pops up when running a text command? I don't mean a different shell--I have WSL2 and Nu installed--but something that doesn't make me do all of this? I installed the new terminal from the Microsoft store, but unless I'm missing something, that isn't very accessible.

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camlorn · 2020-09-12 00:02:58

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if you can use powershell, page up and page down work.

In WSL use Tmux and it's ctrl+b [, followed by all the normal scrolling keys.

I thought the Windows Terminal had accessibility support and that NVDA had specifically put work into it, but maybe I'm wrong or that's still not on stable or something.

In normal old cmd your pager is more as in command | more.

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Nikola · 2020-09-12 00:16:25

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Can't you use ctrl plus up and down to scroll, as well as ctrl home and ctrl end? At least, those are the shortcuts mentioned in the NVDA manual.

GrannyCheeseWheel · 2020-09-12 03:29:19

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CTRL + M followed by arrows, ctrl + home and so forth then enter or esc to end.

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nolan · 2020-09-12 06:57:30

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Fair enough, I'll check the NVDA manual. Thanks. FWIW, Linux doesn't ask me to check the Orca manual for terminal shortcuts. Not a value judgment, just explains why I didn't check my screen reader's manual for how to navigate my terminal. Thanks for setting me on the right path.

Rastislav Kish · 2020-09-12 15:07:41

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@1: I used to press alt+space, e and l if I remember right. A bit longer than one shortcut, but quick anyway.

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as @6 mentioned, I use the combination of alt + space, then E, then L, to get into scrolling mode. then you can use page up and page down.

alternatively as has been mentioned you can also use ctrl + up and ctrl + down, but that just scrolls one line.

btw, you dont have to pipe it to a file and read that. much more efficient is to pipe it to the "more" command, which is analogous to "less" in *NIX.

more isnt quite as good as less mind you, but for basic reading it does the trick. what i actually do most of the tinme is I pipe the long output to less in WSL. you can do it like this:

long command | bash -c less

you can set up a DOSKEY for less (analogous to aliases in bash) and then you can just do:

long command | less

Ethin · 2020-09-13 09:58:41

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The windows terminal is, to my knowledge, fully accessible. I just loaded it and tried using it and it works very well.

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nolan · 2020-09-13 19:14:09

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@8 As in, the app from the Microsoft store? How do you review text? I can hear command output but can't seem to find anywhere to review what I entered.

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@9, standard NvDA keys.... if you mean like full-on scrolling, I'm not sure.

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nolan · 2020-09-13 21:55:00

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Oh, you're right, it does seem to work. I have to admit to still being confused by all of NVDA's review modes. On Linux there's basically just flat review mode. I think when I couldn't get it working, I was using object review and trying to zoom into the window. Now I'm using it on a laptop with the laptop keymap, and capslock-up arrow works. I guess that's just reviewing individual lines of the multi-line object, which doesn't need to be zoomed into.

thanks for letting me know that it should work.

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Your welcome!

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leibylucw · 2020-09-13 23:29:08

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What's the difference between the new terminal and PowerShell? I downloaded the new terminal from the MS Store, but it seems to invoke PowerShell. What am I missing?

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Partially off topic, can I make Windows Terminal boot into something other than power shell? I can't seem to accessibly get to any kind of settings or what have you. Would employ this for SSH and telnet and stuff like that, I've heard it has better support for ANSI escapes so I don't get stupid output and control characters which I might use on telnet sessions, PuTtY messes some of those up apparently. But I'd like to start from cmd and then do my ssh or whatever from there, instead of the long ass verbs for running programs in power shell.

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Settings for the windows terminal are in JSON. A list of keybindings is available here and a list of settings is available here (for profile settings) and here (for global settings).
Edit: I absolutely love the panes feature. Opening a pain with alt+shift++-alt+shift+- and then switching between them with something simple like alt+left and alt+right/alt+up-alt+down... beautiful.

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camlorn · 2020-09-14 05:58:55

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O wow, I didn't know it had panes. I'll have to look into switching to it.

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Ethin · 2020-09-14 18:02:42

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@16, yeah, its really neat. It has tabs too... though I'm not sure when tabs would be useful when you have panes. Maybe there's a hard limit to how many panes you can have?

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What's the difference?

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Victorious · 2020-09-16 16:54:44

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I remember having difficulty with scrolling up using the windows terminal.

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#1 Topic by nolan 2020-09-11 23:40:07 (edited by nolan 2020-09-11 23:41:46)

#2 Reply by camlorn 2020-09-12 00:02:58

#3 Reply by Nikola 2020-09-12 00:16:25

#4 Reply by GrannyCheeseWheel 2020-09-12 03:29:19

#5 Reply by nolan 2020-09-12 06:57:30

#6 Reply by Rastislav Kish 2020-09-12 15:07:41

#7 Reply by Dragonlee 2020-09-13 09:47:49

#8 Reply by Ethin 2020-09-13 09:58:41

#9 Reply by nolan 2020-09-13 19:14:09

#10 Reply by Ethin 2020-09-13 21:20:11

#11 Reply by nolan 2020-09-13 21:55:00

#12 Reply by Ethin 2020-09-13 22:06:20

#13 Reply by leibylucw 2020-09-13 23:29:08

#14 Reply by x0 2020-09-14 03:03:52

#15 Reply by Ethin 2020-09-14 03:15:16 (edited by Ethin 2020-09-14 03:26:59)

#16 Reply by camlorn 2020-09-14 05:58:55

#17 Reply by Ethin 2020-09-14 18:02:42 (edited by Ethin 2020-09-14 18:02:56)

#18 Reply by x0 2020-09-14 20:24:35

#19 Reply by Victorious 2020-09-16 16:54:44

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