sorry for double posting but it seams likkke this one came up while i was writing my last post.
@150creative but still bad example. Reviving dead persons is not possible, reviving programs is. Also it's your opinion in mine and the opinions of other people here it shouldn't stay dead, cause in the last 2 yearas we had nothing in the least comparable to it. Especially the lot of weapons, the arena play, the combos, the fact that you needed no account and i could go on for so long.

@153 as far as i remember you could turn in rs, never did it though.

@155 if rs was still arround i would say what about trying to press q or e.

Posts like #149 and #153 just prove that those who say rs wasn't an fps have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. Firstly, @153. Your post tells me you haven't even played rs. If you did, you would know that rs had allowed freeform movement anywhere within the 360 degree angle, with you being able to turn towards players and shoot at them at your leisure. What you described was a top down shooter where you had to use strafing to line up with enemies, similar to early versions of Ultrapower or undead assault. Yes this was also possible in rs, but it was definitely not practical, and the only way to survive was to use the distinctly fps style movement I outlined above. Now to you ZK. I would take #149 a bit more seriously if you actually knew what games you were comparing rs to. What didn't rs do that swamp does? 360 degree turning? Check. Focus always remains at player? Check. Proper turning system with ability to turn in full circles and start walking in any direction? Check. Ability to move up and down simultaneously to moving on the 2d plain in some cases? Oh wait, I forgot. Only rs does that, so it's not just first person, it's 3d first person. On top of that, Swamp has exactly the same system of keeping track of the player's location. That's right, the horrible thing you call "a grid." Go open up swamp and press shift+v, and be humbled by being exposed to the horrors of... grid based movement! nooooooo!
Concerning GTA. GTA V is not by default a first person game. The option to turn first person mode is there ,but usually that is off. Please take the time to properly inform yourself of what you're talking about before you come in here and spue your lies.
Finally, @157. Do please enlighten us. I really want to know what personally defines an fps for you, because you're currently doing a spectacular job of shouting "not an fps! not an fps!" over and over again without telling anyone why. I pretty much destroyed the one argument above you keep touting, which is the grid based movement thing. Other than that, you've taken no time at all to explain yourself.

Simter, like it or not, what many of us are saying is true. You may not care that redspot is coded in bgt. But it is, and in some form, that will come back to fuck it over some time down the rode. What you want won't change facts. What I want won't change facts. If redspot came back, I would play it, because I didn't even bother with bases and what not. But it's not coming back, and no amount of asking will make it. Two years and just under 10 months is some time. Oh and by the way, q turned left, e turned right. In 360 degrees. Fps, dumbasses. Do your fucking homework once in a wile.

@simter, you are correct there, I got years mixed up, although I was there the day it went down. As for the it's in bgt card, it had potential, and I wish it still did. But if you read the take down message, it states that they wanted to recode it in a different language. Weather that was just a small part of why it whent down, I don't know, but the message was clear. Bgt is a dieing language, and we are refusing to see that the future is coming weather we like it or not. To open source redspot will just repeat a cycle that this community has been going through for years. And quite honestly I'm getting really fucking tired of it. If someone is going to make a new redspot, with a name change hopefully, why the hell should they make it in bgt?

@simter, I should have said continue. Continuous cycle that’s been going on for years. You are correct in the regard that it was never over. But I think bgt can die if we just let it. We don't need bgt any more. People learned how to code before it came along and they can learn how to code after.

I’ve never seen him post on any of these topics. Make of that what you will.

i mean i think that neither of those statements matter. Peopel don't have to post every week, hell if i watned to i could go just read teh psots on this topic or entire forum and not post for a month, and that wouldn't mean i'm dead. I'm sure you wouldn't give two shits if I left, died, never responded again anyway, well at least for some of you at least, but meh. carter has never to my knowledge made any statement in these kinds of topics unless its giving out a warning and doing his job as a mod.

For the people who want RS back, why dont you create a better FPS then? Seriously, the time spent arguing your points is better spent coding a better FPS if you want it so badly.

For anyone that just says stop arguing redspot is not coming back diediediediediediediediediedie!
Its just a thread with our opinions on wether it should be back or not, so can you just stop pressing as simter sayd repeat button and move on with your lives?
You are literally spamming the topic with posts we havce seen before, so why bother to post more of the same shit over and over?
As i sayd, we share our different point of wiew here, so there's no need for posts such as "Let it die!" "Close the topic or i wil smashshshshshshshshshshssh!"

+1 to @170. I will not let someone come in here and spout lies about rs because back in its day, it was definitely my favorite game. Especially not someone who obviously hasn't taken the time to play it and educate themselves. But I know full well that the bgt rs isn't coming back, and we're better off for it. This is what people like Simter have to still learn unfortunately. Face facts. If Sam or someone else puts up a version, even an open source version with custom server support, there's going to be lots of drama which will either come to Sam who doesn't want to deal with it, or it'll spill over to here which will make the forum look even worse. I remember times when there were no less than three rs drama topics right up in ggd within the first 10 or so topics on page 1. We don't need that again. I don't know how much hope to place in a python rewrite by Sam and Carter. I have the sneaking suspicion that this was said to pacify the louder members of the rs community that wanted their game back. Even if they rewrite it, how are they going to post it here? Sam left, and I don't know how willing Carter is to be a punching bad for the inevitable drama queens, greefers and trolls that will result out of a competitive fps on here. However, anyone who has the desire to come up with an fps of their own (not in bgt mind you)and gets that project off the ground, will have my full support. Make it happen.