@17, fair enough. But banning individual accounts when they're using the Tor network is probably a better idea than banning that exit node entirely, especially when you don't know who else could be routed through that same node. (Sde note: I think that tracerouting a tor node IP address will fail to resolve to the origin IP, which is a good indicator that they're either using a VPN or tor.)

This toppic got copletely senseless, so we can just posting. 23 umph i miss klango rofls.

@28 Considering the one 17-year-old admin... LOL`

It seems like we're swamped with them. What can I say.

Exactly. Let’s not even forget the fact that sam is 17. Ivan was also 17 when he released TK. I myself am 16. Granted if you dig into my post history you’ll see some pretty immature moments up there, but I was 13 when I registered and relatively clueless about the world around me. I can think of quite a few others who registered under 18, Lauren Downie, defender, danny, steve, skyloard, mason under his various accounts, Liam and Philip? Just to name a few. Sediment is also a great example that age doesn’t always mean maturity, though he himself registered under the name FuriousD in 2008.

Given the fact that there is no age verification possibility I don't see that being practical. Not to mention that it's doubtful whether or not most of the cloners are even 13 themselves, most of them sure don't act the part and they're easy to tell apart from most kids and adults alike.

Exactly. If we've had adult-aged members cause all kinds of havoc on here, then age restricting the site is not going to get rid of it entirely. Not to mention the fact that it is still not going to permanently eradicate any cloners possibility of registering on the forum, even when banned quite soon after.

@38, FYI, you’re a perfect example of what you’re protesting against. You can’t really expect anyone to take you seriously until you show some maturity yourself.

That's not what Charlie's saying. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I think he was talking about your past track record when mentioning that. Calling out stupidity when warranted, which it is in this case, is not immature. Getting involved in unauthorized code theft/skirting the bans remains just as immature as it has been.

AKA reason number 45120 why *most* blind schools don't prepare people for the real world both socially and just in general. W aren't going to get anywhere if you are institutionally sheltered in your own little world.
Also, I have the same argument kids shouldn't be on the open internet, but that applies to those under 13. Which, incidentally, a fare few of the cloners presumably are. The argument should really be where the hell are the kids' parents in this and how are they getting away with things that would have the rest of us getting our asses handed to us. Moderation on a forum can only give them so much exposure to reality, but there's a point where it stops because this being not a workplace environment with online components, there naturally are no offline consequences whatsoever. It's a serious problem. Parents handing kids as young as 6 phones or tablets and letting the roam free so they can go watch tv and play farmvill or whatever the hell else. It's the reason why Youtube now suddenly has to bend to their will, because some of these self-righteous people are the same ones that take shots at Youtube stars when their kids, uh, find? their Youtube videos with choice words, when really it's the parents' fault for being so oblivious.

I know not everyone has the opportunity to get out more, but it's called get mainstream social media at least. If your country hasn't firewalled it that is. It's nowhere close to real reality, but any effort to expose onself counts for something. And no, Skype doesn't count, that's only people you, quote, know, but it's not an open world.

Except I never did any of that crap.

Correct. I'll be the first to admit I was very annoying back then. Did I actually take the time to learn programming? Yes. Have I finished? Hell no, and it's been how many years. Have I done small projects? Yes. Online? Absolutely not. Have I stolen code? Absolutely not. Granted there was hardly any code around to steal at the time but still. I presume every kid has been tought not to take what isn't yours. Whether they choose to follow that is entirely their call, and that can ultimately determine one's maturity. There's just no excuse for it, even oh they're just a kid, but...nothing. Cloners can learn from their mistakes and not in an Urh2306/Audiogamer1000 bribery/false dealings method. Sometimes learning means getting called out. Just because they're kids doesn't always mean handle with kid gloves, though you obviously do want to be careful not to actually rip into their person, as it is entirely possible to call out someone's actions, spare no feelings, and yet still attempt to avoid ripping at their actual person.