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The discussion of how copyrights should be handled was an on-going thing for a while. for the longest time, the forum was turning a blind eye to the distribution of certain materials. So where the distribution of cracked games was being harshly dealt with, people could pass around other types of materials with impunity.
there were several instances where the staff was called to task for this. how could one thing be okay while something else wasn't?
There were two choices. 1. Choose to allow people to pass around what ever they wanted irregardless of copyright law. or 2. Take a uniform stance on all copyrighted material.
the reason we are quote unquote so stand offish is because as the rule stands there is no wiggle room. We however take intent in ot every decision.  Mistakes can be made which is understandable, but when someone willingly attempts to dance around the rule by not linking directly, making passive aggressive comments towards the rule and the staff, or trying to use code words or mnemonics  to get around the rule they are goign to ge thandled harsher than those who don't do this. Notice that we tend to remove a link and move on. Please scroll back through this topic and see how it escalated.
Also making a comment like you and another mod who i shall not name for respect is extremely disrespectful vs. referencing that mod by name.

I called him out because he is giving a no-links way for people to engage in piracy. It's a fairly obvious way, but that's exactly what he's doing. There's no excuse, no defense. I stopped short of warning him because he did not actually provide links, but was sorely tempted to.

So, Juan, I take it, then, that you are perfectly okay with spreading or seeking out ways for the blind to get paid access to material like everyone else? That you don't, in fact, want to spread links to places where you can watch for free, particularly if that's not legal? If you're anti-piracy in this regard, and are honestly trying to make sure that that angle of the topic is handled properly, then cool. If that's the case, I will apologize, since then you will not, in fact, want something for nothing. But if you want to suggest that piracy is okay because there are supposedly no other options, then you're shooting yourself in the foot.

I would say "uncompromising" is a better word here than "stand-offish", but I take your point. The reason is because we're tired of being branded as hypocrites. Nothing we do is right. So as Liam said, we've decided a firm stance is in order, and that intent matters. Honest mistakes will be viewed differently than clear intention to skirt rules.

Thank you for explaining that, Juan. I appreciate that.

I see where you're coming from, and I respect some of the points you're making. But that's unfortunately where we'll have to stop agreeing.

First off, if you give people one legal and one nonlegal way to download material, they'll probably jump to the illegal one. We aren't going to host such links or tolerate ways to get those links here. That ship sailed awhile ago. It's over. It's done. My advice is to let it go. If you want to share legal means of sharing anime and other content, go right ahead. We encourage that. If you want to pirate that material, please don't do it here. No matter how nicely you word it, you still would prefer the freedom to engage in piracy on this forum, and that's not going to happen. Engage it in your own way, on your own time, outside of this forum, please. I'm not going to lecture you on what you do or don't do outside this forum, but within it, you've agreed to follow the rules, so please respect those rules.

Second point: to the previous system and the mods who often let copyrighted material hang. The biggest issue was that we as a community were okay with virtually any copyrighted material so long as it wasn't an audio game. Why the heck does that even make any sense? Why do audiogame creators get protection while music, book, manga, anime, movie, TV and the like have open season on them? And please, please don't use the money-scale argument where you say that it's okay because these people make millions; that's outside the scope of this discussion. If it's ethically questionable to pirate an audiogame, it's equally ethically questionable to do likewise to an anime, an audiobook, an album, a movie, etc. You're still taking for free what you should be paying for. We cracked down because we decided it was better to be safe than sorry, and better to not have exceptions all over the place. X material is safe to crack/pirate/steal, y is not. No thanks. It's better to just put a blanket ban on all of it and ask you not to do it here.

Now, last but not least, to the hypocrite comment. If you dig back about a year (site and forum feedback will be a good place for this)  you will see examples of how things have gone on. When I came around as a mod, I was very firm and brooked no nonsense, and people saw me as a tyrant. Liam helped me out a bit there, and I've since grown a bit gentler in my approach (most of the time anyway). We had some other new members come around who have also been doing a great job. If you want a microcosm of what I'm talking about though, check out the topic where Sam says he's leaving; in it, a bunch of people are saying that rulebreakers and people who are dancing around the rules should be cracked down on. And when we published an update saying we were going to do that (we'd been tossing it around list for weeks by that point) one of the very first posts was like "whoa, this is harsh", basically. I stated that I was certain someone would call us out no matter what I did, and I was right, even if in this case it didn't get crazy-big or anything. The point is, if we have a stance, there always seems to be somebody who wants to cry foul. They complain when we're too lax, and then complain when we get strict. They complain that there are hypocritical exceptions being made for certain copyrighted material, then howl when we blanket-ban it entirely. We just can't win sometimes. We have definitely had users point out the hypocritical nature of the former stance on piracy, and that's one of the reasons we fixed it. It gets tiring to be criticized, let me tell you.

anime tv only allowes you to watch. Then downloading then? Don't think i've ignored it, cuz I haven't.
and what about Manga?
How will we be able to read that legally?
Can you at least give me one legal website that allowes you to read that kind of thing legally with out braking website layout. Remember this thing was for manga, too.

Or purchase DVDs/box sets/whatever else of the anime you want. That's what sighted people do. they either stream it (without downloading it) or they buy it (at which point they can watch it whenever they wish). You've been provided both of those options. Why isn't that enough for you?
Rhetorical question. I'll tell you why it's not enough for you. It's because you're entitled. Sorry, not sorry, doubling down on this. You're entitled. Own it. You want to be able to stream or download anime, as well as get hold of manga, and you appear to want to be able to do it for free, since anime.tv isn't enough for you. Anime.tv lets you stream, but you can't download. You could buy the anime DVDs you want, but apparently you can't/won't/don't want to do that? Doesn't work. You believe you should be entitled to download anime on demand. That's not how it works.
And as for manga, same deal. Find a legal way to obtain it if you want to discuss it here and share it. If you can't be bothered, don't think you should have to or just plain won't, that's fine. If you share links to piracy-friendly websites, the procedure for breach of rules will be put in place.

To the rest of you, I'm sorry about this stiffness, but I am sick and tired of this. The level of demanding and entitlement going on, from only a few users I might add, is frankly stupefying. I'm going to step away for a bit. If this gets worse or explodes, it will not be me dealing with the direct aftermath because while I do trust myself not to use personal bias, I'm already veering dangerously close to that line I've crossed a time or three where I start really laying into people. So I'm backing off.

Now that's a more better Idea. who will start it?
and how long will the link be up before they remove it again?
It's easy to start a groop, but it probs won't have much users if the mods keep deling the link.
and secondly Jaid, I guess nun of us are seeing eye to eye on this one, ehh?
look, I am doing this with a perpus, and you're just not seeing that. I'm looking into this far more than just piracy, post 55.

And you just keep blabbing that word with out looking past what i'm trying to tell you.

I get that you're trying to be professional, and I respect that alot, but being like that lets you miss inportant details.

you're not a mod, but I agree. Finally, someone being reasonable!

And as for manga, I said in one of my posts, I have a team, a team of four, very small I know, we would get the manga, whytch is a picture, and extract the text out of it, cheque for errors, and make some descriptions for anything that's not described, and email back so I could post.
each of my friends are in diferent parts of the world, so chequing manga on the fly would be pritty hard.

until better is done, we as the people have the oppertunity to make it better, if we will try and do it? Is another thing.

Moderation:
I'm just seeing this now. Creating a skype group for the distribution of material and then posting it here would be an extremely bad idea. I suggest this stops now before we start having to hand out punishment.

Yeesh, Liam. Yeesh.

LOL. I never thought i'd go against the mods. I think this is a good way to clean up the forum. Maybe you could have a sorta treaty for this. Like keep the link up for a week then remove it. Come on guys. You can't be in opposition to everything we try to do. It will make your jobs that much easier, as well.

72: When it comes to the sharing of pirated material via public means on this forum, we will always be in opposition. I'd say that's pretty cut and dry.
71: We can not read your PM's. Simple as that.