2019-10-09 13:00:58

Saying that a 12-year-old should not be allowed on social media/public forums is simular to saying that they should not be allowed in public.

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2019-10-09 13:08:52

Dan_Gero wrote:

Saying that a 12-year-old should not be allowed on social media/public forums is simular to saying that they should not be allowed in public.

Lol. That is all.

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2019-10-09 14:16:13 (edited by Zarvox 2019-10-09 14:16:50)

The kids’ room can solve this one. Still in public, but you know what you are about to step into.

Or maybe you think you do and it turns out much worse

Smiley that’s the beauty of the kids’ room

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2019-10-09 14:39:46

@#52 I implore you, enlighten me on the LOL a little bit. Forums are just as much of a public place as any other. Social media is now a part of society, so by kicking people of certain age groups out of social media, in a way you’re prohibiting them from being a part of society.

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2019-10-09 14:48:18

You realize that social media does in fact prohibit age groups, correct? You must be at least 13 to join most sites.
Casinos are also public places, but require you to be at least 21 to enter.

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2019-10-09 15:20:26

#55 This is at least understandable. Casinos are places to gamble money and possibly obtain alcohol depending on the casino you go to, so it would make since to not allow kids to go in. However, this is social media, so I do not understand the danger. Sure, there’re cyberbullies and child predators, but you could easily be bullied and/or stocked on the streets. There is no more danger on the internet than there is on the streets. In fact, one could argue that the streets are more dangerous.

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2019-10-09 15:54:24

Doesn't matter. it's still a public place.
My point stands.

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2019-10-09 16:28:42

@51 what the hell? This literally makes no sense whatsoever. If a 12 year old is out in public, you're gonna know where they are as a parent. Maybe not exactly, though with phones and tech these days, you can easily put a child tracker on their  phone and find out that way. The point is, they're not going to hop a plane from Chicago to Pasadena without you knowing. And, if this does happen to become a reality, there's something way way wrong in your family that made that an occurrence.

Here's one of the problems with millennials and now they're passing it on to Gen-Z. Most of them grew up with the net as a staple of life, and they take it for granted. Although technically a millennial, I grew up before the internet was as large and prevalent as it is now. I didn't even have access until I was 12.  Even now that the tech is part of my life, I still remember back to that time when it wasn't, and that shapes some of my decision making around technology and computers and so forth.

It's quite normal now to give a two year old an iPad with some game or videos or whatever else on it. Personally, I think that's wrong. You're neglecting them by giving them something you know will shut them up for a while. You can put all the spin on it you want by putting educational apps on it and so forth, but you'll be enriching their lives a lot more if you get off facebook and spend some time with them.

So, how does this tie into the public vs. internet? Because on the net, you're literally hopping around the world. Try a traceroute on your favorite sites and see how many hops it takes to get there and where each of those hops are in the world. We even spoof our location sometimes to watch content from other countries, like watching BBC from the USA or Australians spoofing their location to watch UFC fights. So it's not the same at all. You can end up on any site from any other site in less than a second.

Also, anything you post basically belongs to the net now. You post images of yourself, and those images are going to be stolen, sold, used in other ways, and people will profit off them. You think a 12 year old girl who just posted a pic of her and her dog, or her and some friends is really going to understand all the implications of that? Her pic could be cropped to just include her, and it could be sexualized by other people belonging to pedophile groups and so forth.

That's not to say that being out in public is devoid of danger; however, the types of things you can get into online and not even realize it sort of tops that imo. There are good reasons to keep young children off the internet; and while that might be harder to do in today's society, we should at least be keeping them off of social media, forums, and the like.

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2019-10-09 17:25:44 (edited by bashue 2019-10-09 17:48:00)

Greetings Jayde.

Objective? No I cannot assess another's maturity objectively and it's very possible that I have emotional development issues when it comes to people I either do not feel anything for or if I only care for them a little. Yes, I'm rather like the hypothetical guy who goes to a concert and cringes because one of them is way out of key. Did I tell anyone that when such happened to me? Indeed I did when the person next to me asked me why I was cringing and why I was not enjoying the musical until that particular singer went off stage. Do I feel disconnected emotionally from others except for my diosa Lisa? Yes I do and I've always felt this way my entire life. Yes I may have changed in as much as I'm an absolute pacifist and will never knowingly or willingly harm another, it does not mean however that I've suddenly developed empathy for humanity unless they are rejects of society. I find far more kinship with people who society deems abnormal; if society doesn't want them then I accept them. This extends to criminals and I'm almost always writing on facebook about forgiving them, counselling and educating them and not looking down on them in any way. I was even asked the question, if a criminal did anything to my family and or to me, could I forgive them. without any hesitation, my response was an emphatic yes because the cycle of violence must end somewhere and in my case, it ends with me. Indeed I should never have done unto the animals and that's why I'm all about giving society's rejects chances to reform. Going outside of absolute pacifism, is it more important for me to be right or to research facts in order for me to present factual arguments? A lot of the time yes unless we're discussing subjects that I don't know much or anything about. Do I have an overwhelming need to prove myself? I suppose I do. I hate being told to do things that I'm already doing and one of them is to take responsibility for my own actions. This happened 2 years ago before I embraced the path of peace. My best friend offered me to take me to my social group because I was going to pay my cafeteria bill in cash. A minute later, a woman came up to me telling me that I must take responsibility and not rely on others. Now, if I were the kind of guy to only rely on others, I would have gotten it; so it was no surprise that I thought her comment distinctly unfair. A few weeks later, I was sitting down with the woman and she was telling me about how many crutches she relied on to get her through life; one was medication for her depression. I felt like she was trying to run away from her problems instead of facing them. I told her that regardless of her not taking responsibility, she was responsible for what she said and did. I even told her that I suffered from depression-like symptoms temporarily from the age of 9 through 17 and I just got on with life without asking for someone to hold my hand. Yes I still felt the ever present feeling of not being able to relate to a normal. For some reason, she wanted to throw me out because of what I said but my best friend and spiritual Brother didn't want to lose me so she and I agreed to live and let live. I don't believe I was being intentionally malicious, I simply told her not to run away from her problems and to face them head on like I had to. The way I would deal with the same situation now would be a little different. I would give her the star prayers, the mental health carer's manual, documents on how to face your problems head on, what happens if you use chemical crutches to make it possible for you to not face your inner demons and what happens if you let someone take over your life and manage your mental/emotional health for you. I'd also explain how almost all minds are under siege from forces within us and how to combat the evil forces. Other than that, I really have nothing more to add and I thank you for your comments. I do agree that I'm not good at dealing with people and I'm not the best one for judging another's maturity. If you check out my facebook page, you'll see what I mean.

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2019-10-10 02:01:49 (edited by redfox 2019-10-10 02:06:02)

@59,

Prepare for this torent of shit.

So, first of all, you are saying that you would rather criminals roam the streets, because your a pacifist. If you were in charge of criminal punishment and other such things, broad I know, but I'm a little angry right now. Anyway, if you met a cerial rapest, killer, thief who would put people to the steak, cut them  up, salt them and then burn them alive after raping them is just, being slightly scinical, and can just redeem himself? What if this was done to your entire family, and all of your loved ones?
Now I know that this is an extreme example, but you did say, and I quote!

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I was even asked the question, if a criminal did anything to my family and or to me, could I forgive them. without any hesitation, my response was an emphatic yes because the cycle of violence must end somewhere and in my case, it ends with me.

How, pray tell, does it, "End with You?", because that criminal is going to see that you won't do shit to him and he'll keep raping and burning and killing and getting away with it.

You say medicinal help for depression is bad? What about those people who have horrible depression because of the fact that all of there loved ones and there life was stripped away by this rapist/murderer? So he should just, fight his fucking way through it? I'm sorry you had a bad past and, for some reason, you were against the right thing, buT that's not how this shit works!
You say that they are running away from there problems? No! They are trying to crush those problems and get a handle on them so they don't fucking kill themselves!
You mention people making dicisions for you on your mental health? These people, like, you know, DOCTORS!!! spent years! years! training to know what the hell they are talking about, and who the hell are you to question that? I am a pretty apethetic person, I have a dark sense of humor and I crack bad jokes at really bad times, but this is a new level! You would tell a person who has recently recovered from crippling depression through the use of medicines, that they are, "Not facing there inner demons, and that they are idiots for letting trained professionals proscribe medicine that, did help! and that they are worthless because they didn't go through exactly what you did and you don't know what the hell you are talking about and who you are talking to so you have no right to fucking asume these things!
Now, it's a testament to how angry I am that I wrote 3 times as much in 5 minutes then I did in 7 hours that I was a hell of a lot more interested.

I leave you, Bashue, with a parting note. You need to work on your empathy and gruffness. If you straight up tell someone that they aren't as good as you because they needed help, you deserve This song.

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2019-10-10 02:02:37

Number 51 is like saying, OK then. Let's give 9 year olds driver's licenses, and allow them to drive Chevy Suburbans and Ram 3500's.

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2019-10-10 02:12:03

Yeah pretty much.

Regarding Bashue's posts, I mean I pretty much read them and get a chuckle out of how absurd most of them are. The thing is, if you take time arguing with a fanatic, you're just blowing into a vortex. It's completely useless to even try. I would say just skip them if you don't get anything out of them, but don't let them work you up.

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2019-10-10 02:14:56

It seems Bashoo had a ruff past, and seems to force it on everyone else. The Studio thing is normal. I did that all the time with my family, and instead of my friends feeling bumbed out, they listened. You talk like if everyone experienced simular childhoods to yours. Here, in Trinidad, we have more traditional forms of discipline, and our parents are considered demons to say, American parents? Have you ever watched Lifetime movies and saw the way those bastards of kids get away with telling their moms they hate them for taking their bloody phones away? We in Trinidad watch that and say, Damn. Them American and them rel dotish.
Translation.
Those americans are real idiots, with no brain.
Anyway, the whole crazy crap about parents disowning you, and calling you out for being successful shit scares me. I think you need help. I'm not a professional, but it seems as you have some issues with your parents. And, as for the whole thing about feeling cringe when a singer is out of tune, I literally call them out for it, and the whole audience breaks into a laughterfest.
Different cultures raise their children differently. Like I think the Asians raise their children to be successful, and drill them unnecessarily, while western society, like America raise their children to basically get away with murder. Literally. Did you see the school shooting in Florida? Dotish as hell. We in Trinidad, are raised to be disciplined and think for ourselves. Our parents don't usually disown us when we grow up. I know a few families with druggies and they still love for them, because they are their children. They pushed them out, so they are their's. Everytime I read one of your posts, I instantly feel depressed. I'm just soft, but you sadden me, buddy.
@Dan, if you read my last post, children should be given certain rights, however, their should be a cap on what we, as children should be doing. I mean, a lot of the time, children are posting a whole bunch of rubbish on social media, and their parents don't even know. My best friend posts all sorts of coitus stuff on whatsapp and his grandfather doesn't know.

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2019-10-10 02:21:35 (edited by Jim 2019-10-10 02:23:11)

One thing that  bashue   needs z to hear is that we all understand he is a pacifist, but he needs to stop shoving it down our throats every single post. It is making me ridiculously angry paired with the depression comments. Dude, you seriously need to either a, get help, or B, leave

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2019-10-10 02:33:34

It's not worth it to tell someone like that to change. I don't like most of the stuff he says, either, but you've gotta let some things roll off you, particularly when they're just an online presence that you most likely won't ever end up meeting. There's a time and a place to call someone out for their bullshit, but not when the person has clearly demonstrated that they're so set in their ways that absolutely nothing will sway them from their viewpoint, no matter how fucked it seems to the rest of us.

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2019-10-10 02:54:10

@#61 I am going to let you know that what you just said struck a nerve with me, and I’m going to take this time to calmly explain to you why it struck a nerve with me. I myself suffer from depression and anxiety, and I can tell you from first-hand experience that while the medicine does help a little bit, I still have depression and anxiety. Medicines do not do their job very well, so in a sense Bashue has the right mindset. Now, I’m not saying that I won hundred percent agree with his post. However, I’m not going to use that as an excuse to borderline personally attack him, which you just did. Jade Gave me advice which I tried to stick by in as many situations as I possibly can. He said that if you’re angry, step out and take time to think about whether what you have to say is going to contribute to the conversation or not. He says take as long as you have to to make this decision. If, by the next 24 to 48 hours you still don’t think your post is going to contribute anything, then you probably shouldn’t post it If you do think it’s going to contribute something, go through it and take out as many things that could look like a personal attack as you can, then post it.
@#59 I have a ton of respect for you, my friend. You have more patience than I feel I could ever gain myself. However, I do have to disagree with your viewpoint on criminals. If they are committing crimes, there’s probably a one in 1 million chance that they are going to realize their mistakes and quit doing things like that.
I think the issue is that you two are at polar opposite of each other. Bashue is way too easy going, while Redfox is way too aggressive. You guys need to try to find a balance between the two.
@#628 this is not a valid comparison. This is a social environment, not a life or death situation.

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2019-10-10 04:03:25

Greetings all.

What I described above regarding being disowned did not happen to me but those around me. The reason why I'm not giving out names here is because unlike my diosa who's information is public, theirs is not. Am I set in my ways/beliefs? Indeed I am when it comes to dealing with the rejects of society. Jaidon Of the Caribbean, I am sorry that what I write depresses you; that was never my intent. As for discipline, better to reason whenever possible; I responded far better to reason than anything physical. Dan_Gero, you understood what I wrote and I thank you for it. I know you don't agree with my post fully and I respect you for that. As for everyone else who has commented, both this and my prior posts speak for themselves. I checked out the song that was mentioned and I give you this explanation as to why I believe so very strongly in this and if you listen to it, you'll understand how and why I'm so very heavily influenced by what is talked about on there.

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2019-10-10 04:06:05

Few points here:

1. Medication works differently for different people, and it can take years, literally years, to find the right one for you if you have a chemical imbalance.
2. Anyone who is telling you that you shouldn't used meds without knowing your full medical history is not to be trusted. At all. Full stop. No argument. And even if they do know your history, their reason for suggesting that you not use medicine should be grounded in science.
3. I'm in favour of giving some criminals a chance to reform. This does not mean simply letting them walk free. If you hurt someone, there needs to be consequences. I'm not a big fan of the current prison system, as it doesn't really seem to fix anything, but I'm definitely a fan of people being allowed to learn from bad choices. I'm not a pacifist. I'm not set on just hand-waving bad actions either. I believe in redress that is commensurate with the offense.
4. The only reason I spoke up on Bashue was essentially to remove him from the conversation. In my experience, if you destroy someone's credibility, their voice tends to get smaller. Rather than attack him personally, which would be wrong, I decided to call his ability to judge this situation and its ramifications into question. Perhaps it was somewhat overkill. I didn't do it because I want him to change; I'm long past the point where I think anything I say will change his mind. In essence, I spoke up as a warning flag: "Guys, none of this is salient, and if it's coming from this source, who has these related problems, it's not safe". And what he said later about medication just nailed the coffin shut. You do not recommend, ever, that someone is weak for taking medication; chemical imbalances are real, and some people who refuse to be medicated will die, or commit horrible acts, because they rejected help. Now, are there people who over-medicate? Sure there are. But that's not the point. The point is that past a certain level, one should not even grant an arena to certain types of discourse. I was just trying to establish that, and not to start a fight.

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2019-10-10 05:12:15

While looking back at my post I realized that I had inadvertently missed labeled the post numbers. I meant to refer to post 60, 59, and 61 in that order. I accidentally said 61, 59, and 62.

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2019-10-10 08:14:45

Regarding the song which has been mentioned:
This is exactly what I ment by mentioning older people acting childish and like they haven't grown up. This song is, in my opinion, so extreme, pointless and childish so it's fun. I can't take it serious.
Older people have the choice to learn and try to change if they want. If they won't well fair enough, then you can't force them to change.
If people wanna learn and maybe wanna change for whatever reason, the key is, in my opinion, to respect other people, listen to what they have to say and maybe try to understand things from their point of view. It's of course okay to not agree and to see things from a different perspective. THis is normal. But I don't like people who don't respect other peoples opinions, argument the hel out of everything because they don't agree, try to force people to change and all that shit.
Just respect other people as they are. If you don't, you cannot blame other people for not respecting you as the person you are.

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2019-10-10 08:19:12

Lol the song is not meant to be taken seriously. They're a comedy metal group. If someone actually does, well, that's their issue.

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2019-10-10 10:23:33

Hah, my guess was on Psychostick or Steel panther. Good bands.

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2019-10-10 11:12:49 (edited by Zarvox 2019-10-10 11:15:00)

Good morning everyone, this is Zarvox reporting for audiogames.net news. Today we have a situation that has turned from one cheek, to another.

On October 5, 2019, a user by the name of Christian posted a topic, asking if he is immature. Several responses were given, and it was determined that the original motive was to seek attention.

But on October 7, 2 days after this topic was made, a new user came to the scene.

A user by the name of Bashue wrote a post that would end up changing the discussion.

For the next few days the attention Chistian hasd asked for, had vanished. the conversation became one about maturity, and age.

However as the discussion went on, it was clear that the conversation was turning, to a different turning point.

What spotlight once belonged to Christian has now been put on Bashue, as people conversate aboute their contraversal posts. Some going as far as personally attacking the user for their irrational and crazy beliefs.

Will Bashue be able to keep the spotlight, or will Christian make a steel to get it back?

More comes coming at 10. This is Zarvox reporting for audiogames.net news, signing off.

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2019-10-11 08:30:59

Just one small correction: Bashue is not a new user. Otherwise, thumps up. big_smile

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2019-10-11 09:09:58

I meant a new face to the discussion. Should have clarified

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