I'm acting like a kid? Well...guess you better start acting like an adult then and pointing out how I'm a kid. Until, then,  guess we're both acting like kids? Ha

I agree with Jade on both points. All parties must be properly represented in order for a contract to be genuine, but then again, what is the likelihood that any legal action would be taken at any point relating to this agreement? IN other words, how genuine does this have to be? Also, the drama has definitely over stayed its welcome.

Moderation:

I want to state that no decisions have been made at this time, but the staff team is beginning discussions on whether or not to simply blanket-ban discussions of this game in its entirety from the forum for the foreseeable future.
As is clearly evident to most by now, this game has...let's just politely call it a sordid, messy history and stop right there. It's hard to tell who actually has the rights to say what gets spread around and who does not. The likelihood of legal litigation is slight, but the complications are too numerous to mention. Is person A allowed to release a fork because they got it from source A, while person B, who didn't know their source -wasn't source B, gets punished? It's just a silly tangle that doesn't need to be here.
And so we're thinking about just slamming the door on it.
If this is something we end up doing, I want you folks to understand that we aren't picking on any one person here. It's not about the quality of the game either. It's about all the confusion and practices associated with this game, which seems to get cloned over and over again to enough of an extent that it's becoming a public nuisance. Let this also be a lesson to you: if you are a developer who wants to make a new game, make sure you don't get all tangled in your own release history, and make sure you can stipulate legally binding terms to anyone you might want to sell or give your source code to.

Silak is indeed an adult. I don't think I can disclose his age, but he's an adult.

Ok so I feel like I should say a few things here, seeing as it's largely my falt we're having all this mess in the first place.
I don't know about whatever agreement ivan and peter had. Heck, I didn't even know it was solled off until I saw this topic. Honestly, I think selling it to silak at all was a bad idea, and I think ivan is starting to realise that now. There is still the fact that none of this would ever have happened if it hadn't been for me being an idiot and steeling the code and leaking it in the first place, but I can't exactly undue the past. I do totally agree with those who say this game is just becoming totally old though. A few months ago, I did actually by an old version of tk from ivan, mainly 1.37, because I liked tk how it was before like 1.4x when it really started going down hill. As you should know though, I never did give the code out to anyone, nore did I post about my version up here. I mostly just kept it around for me and some of my friends to have fun with and for something to code random shit on when I was board. It however is no longer up since I'm working on a new fps with my own code now, but that's for another day. Point is, if you ever sell off a project to someone, you'd better be sure you know that person well enough to know they won't fuck with things and start just giving the code out to there friends, who then give it out to there friends, etc etc etc until pretty much everyone has it. I should probably also let you guys in on something which I'm not sure was public knollige or not, but that version of redspot that originally got leaked? That was given to me by some guy by the name of yousuf cattab, no idea how the heck you're supposed to spell that but whatever. I then, being the stupid 14 year old I used to be, gave it to a lot of people, including ernie96 and sediment, and from there it just slowly trickled it's way out to basically everyone. I do think it was partly this other guys falt though since I saw some versions come out later that were unmodified by me, but whatever it still got out. To the person wondering why some people just like messing with stolen code and cloning things, for me at least, I mainly just used it as a means to get away from my personal life and coding proved as a great distraction for me and something I could just absorb myself in.
There's my little rant for the day over.

I don't get why everyone has to be a developer. I mean, this is no rite of passage. It doesn't turn you into a magical person, or mean you're suddenly an adult. honestly, the only people who want to play games made by kids are other kids, which is fine but then don't come here with your BS either. I'm not aiming this at anyone specifically, but the kid games need to stop, or keep them in your own little private circles and off public platforms.

@cmerry
I personally don't have a problem at all with messing around with source code to understand how the code works and to learn from it. It can be fun to see how the changes you make can have an impact, and like I explained, it's one of the biggest reasons why I know what I know about programming. I am more curious with the "intentionally rereleasing someone else's code and trying to claim originality" aspect.

@Jayde and Liam
Agreed 100% as far as something needing to be done. Input was not requested, but I wouldn't lose sleep if discussion surrounding the game were no longer around on the forum. It seems like there's some kind of familiarity between the network of players, so the game (in all of its forms) could still be discussed via their own means.