Topic by Adel-Akbari 2019-03-25 07:39:18

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Hello.
Telegram messenger, has been updated on March 24th, and one of the new features in the latest update is that it now supports Talkback on Android, and Voice over on IOS.
on Telegram blog you can read:
VoiceOver and TalkBack
We’ve added support for accessibility features – VoiceOver on iOS and TalkBack on Android. These gesture-based technologies give you spoken feedback so that you can use Telegram without seeing the screen.
Source:
https://telegram.org/blog/unsend-privac … d-talkback

P.s.:
As you might know, Telegram messenger is the most popular instant messaging software in Iran, and despite the government blocked it, most iranian are still using it for their daily use.

P.S. 2:
Although telegram is not as popular as whatsapp in the developed countries, but it seems that it is getting more popularity than before.

All the best,
Adel, Akbari.

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Reply by Jod 2019-03-25 07:48:47

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no more telelight and blindgram
bet they  copied the source of the above apps, pavel is a lazy ass who didn't listen to us in like 4 years? we were complaining about it's accessibility for years and he did nothing, until some iranian people decided to make it accessible.
and no i'm not grateful, because i already paid for accessible telegram thanks to that lazy dev so i'm not using their bullshit anymore.

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Reply by Adel-Akbari 2019-03-25 08:10:54

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Hi alireza.
I am not a programmer, and I have no idea weather they copied from telelight and blindgram or not, but having more accessible applications makes me feel better.
now every blind person in all parts of the world  can use official telegram client, and there is no need for iranian made telegram client anymore.
About Blindgram and telelight, they did a nice work and I appreciate their efferts.
I thank telegram developers for making it accessible.

AlirezaNosrati wrote:

no more telelight and blindgram
bet they  copied the source of the above apps, pavel is a lazy ass who didn't listen to us in like 4 years? we were complaining about it's accessibility for years and he did nothing, until some iranian people decided to make it accessible.
and no i'm not grateful, because i already paid for accessible telegram thanks to that lazy dev so i'm not using their bullshit anymore.

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Reply by mahdi-abedi 2019-03-25 08:14:05

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yeeeeeeeeeeaaa! lets continu to use telegram!

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Reply by kianoosh 2019-03-25 09:22:58 (edited by kianoosh 2019-03-25 09:23:21)

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No copies from any of those two applications. They were making money off of telelight and blindgram. Why should they give the source to telegram developers. I dout if they sold the source. Anyways. I always prefer official telegram to unofficial ones. Specially when it's free and those two others aren't and are beeing sold with an expensive price.

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Reply by Nikola 2019-03-25 12:37:36

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If he gave only 30 seconds of his time to try the app, he would not make such a stupid comment about copying the source. At least there are people who appreciate accessibility in apps. Yes, I was one of the people who hated Telegram due to it's non existing accessibility, but I'm very glad they changed.

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Reply by Jod 2019-03-25 14:31:39

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idk @kianoosh check their channels they claim that they collaberated with telegram devs. also, do you know how much people complained about telegram accessibility? they did it for years, and no accessibility and they make it accessible now? i'm begging them not to do that.

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Reply by pitermach 2019-03-25 15:57:54

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I am extremely grateful that the accessibility was improved. You guys are throwing names of alternative Android clients left and right but I have to point out that i O S never had any third party apps so this is the first time I can use it.

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Reply by Chris 2019-03-25 16:35:17

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What's so great about Telegram compared to the dozens of other chat apps out there? Does it support stereo audio?

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Reply by Jod 2019-03-25 18:43:29

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proof that they made it accessible because of blindgram devs sending the app to them
it's a screenshot
https://ibb.co/3m1W38m

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Reply by Nikola 2019-03-25 19:33:29

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Man, I could not care less why they made it accessible. What's with some people who cannot wait to bring some argument into a topic? Just use the app and enjoy, or don't use it and skip the topic. If you have constructive complaints about it, then go ahead, but sorry, a screenshot wont help the majority of the forum and you know it really well. Again, a great point that I was also going to bring up is that iOS did not have any 3rd party clients which work with voiceover, and hey, open source is there for collaboration, so I cannot see what is wrong even if all you say is true.

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Reply by Adel-Akbari 2019-03-26 08:11:11 (edited by Adel-Akbari 2019-03-26 08:16:33)

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I cannot understand what is the point of alireza's posts here.
the good thing is Telegram official client is now accessible in boath IOS and Android. everyone can use it without problem.
this thing that they copied the source from other accessible clients or not is not important at all.

@post 9:
1.telegram is cloud based and you can use it on multiple devices at one, all of your messages are stored in telegram servers in incripted form and you will access them whenever you wish.
telegram has a folder called my saved messages that you can send your important messages, and files and store them on telegram for ever.
telegram has no storage limitation for users, you can upload all of your important files and they will remain there.
In Telegram, you can creat Channels, Channels are a one way communication mode, you can post what ever you wish there, and the members of your channels can read and download your posts and files.
Telegram has something called bots.
Bots are small applications that run on Telegram. for example, there are some bots that can download videos from youtube, apk from google play, tell you the weather prediction, search on google, wikipedia and other sources, and many many things.
These were some of the features of Telegram that I could remember.

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Reply by Jod 2019-03-26 08:59:58

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my point is telegram's devs didn't even consider blind people and their emails until someone gave it all to them.

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Reply by kianoosh 2019-03-26 11:46:22 (edited by kianoosh 2019-03-26 11:48:38)

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Alireza. That's not a wise move to beg for them not to add more accessibility to telegram because they didn't do that until now. If they even are colabirating  with blindgram developers, It's still completely fine since it is official, and it refuses to provide messages to government. I'm not saying, by any means, that blindgram devs did such a horible thing but blindgram developers doing that makes a lot more sense than official telegram developers doing it. I appritiate their work. If blindgram developers are helping them, I'm thankful of them, too. It is great to see the official free telegram messanger is becoming accessible for the blind and no one can expect any cash for a free application like before. That's  one of the main reasons that i'm glad about. Plus I think that official telegram has a better performence than telelight. IDK about blindgram as I never had it. Oh and there's another thing to support official telegram. Whenever telegram updates, we'll have the latest version accessible, as soon as mainstream has it. Unlike before that we had to wait for kinda long time for telelight or blindgram developers to release the accessible update.
Also jumping on telegram developers for the reason that they didn't add accessibility so far until someone helped them isn't a wise move either. A lot of organisations and companies are being told a thousand times to add accessibility to there applications and they didn't do that. Such as unity

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Reply by pitermach 2019-03-26 11:49:40

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Unfortunately, sometimes it takes a large effort from the community to get the attention of a company. Is it sad? Absolutely. But often after the point is made, and the company makes the changes it's being asked to, with or without help, the changes persist and said company changes for better. As another example of this, look at Netflix. Their apps used to be horrible to use with a screen reader and they didn't offer any audio description. The cries got even louder when Daredevil came out... It took a few years, but when Netflix added description to it, they also did a complete 180. Now their apps are mostly very easy to use with Screen Readers and they offer the largest, nearly globally available catalog of described content and are very much in the lead with describing any new releases.

Telegram open-sourced their apps. Anyone could fork the client and make changes to it. If the accessibility changes were out there in the public I think there's nothing wrong with the telegram devs taking a shortcut and using them to get a headstart, saving precious developer time in the process. The real test will be seeing if they are commited to keeping the accessibility in the good state it's in now, which considering they released on both iOS and Android might be the case. Now if all the developers of the alternative clients do is loudly complain that Telegram took a shortcut and used their code, they should seriously stop because they're sending the wrong message about the blind community and I wouldn't blame the Telegram devs for deciding maintaining accessibility isn't worth it if all these people do is b****. If the issue is that these alternative apps were making money off of the fact the official client was inaccessible, nothing is stopping them from adding additional features making their apps stand out so people have an incentive to keep using and buying them.

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Reply by kianoosh 2019-03-26 11:57:07

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Completely agreed. Github's purpose is to make developers calaborate with each other. So I see nothing wrong in this. Plus these guys that are sending screenshots and videos everywhere to shout "Blindgram developers have helped telegram developers to make their application accessible" just shows the blind community worse than what it is. Yeah. I say worse than what it is because googling audio games forum and getting into this website, shows the searcher some topics that really do not deserve to be here. Sorry for going out of topic for a bit

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Reply by Nikola 2019-03-26 13:42:06

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The irony of this all, Android was a complete mess when it comes to accessibility, and then Google took a major turn with Jellybean. Are you also ungrateful to them? Should we not use Android? Same with Microsoft's Narrator, and with a bunch of other companies.

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Reply by siria 2019-03-26 14:42:58

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Hi!
Has anybody tried this out? I heard that you can not join groups, delete messages and do other staff too, so I was wondering if it's better to wait some more or the app is worth it as it is now.
Thanks!

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Reply by Nikola 2019-03-26 15:12:23

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On Android at least, I can delete messages by using custom actions in the Talkback's local context menu. Possibly rorot actions are available on iOS too, but I don't have an iOS device so somebody else would have to address that.

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Reply by burak 2019-03-26 16:08:43

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I don't think such posts like #13 are not meant to be read and taken seriously.

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Reply by serrebi 2019-03-26 17:34:31

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Yes you can delete through the actions on iOS. Telegram is almost as good as whatsapp with these accessibility things dealt with. You people poo pooing Telegram should be more ok with it. The more messaging programs with encryption the better. If you think this one sucks, use the one you think is secure from the people reading your messages then.

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