It works horribly with NVDA. I've tried it.

I completely agree with you there, Orko. It is incredibly sad.

And, yeah, Eset doesn't play well with NVDA at all. I had a password set on mine so that you could only activate the advanced settings upon entering it. That dialog wasn't accessible with NVDA. So, of course I couldn't uninstall it either, because you needed to enter the password, and I had to format my computer.

hi,
Though microsoft is significantly improving defender, it is still far from the best in detection and performance. The Msmpeng.exe process has a memory leak, which causes it to grow it's memory usage more and more and more the longer you use your pc. It was once using over 180 mb when my pc was idle for a couple days. Also, microsoft lags when adding industry standard features. For instance, cloud based protection and detection was only added in the 1607 update. Seriously! Avira added that feature to the free version in 2013. Seriously cloud is a very critical feature. Like many, I was forced to switch to defender in jan 2018 after avira's crappy new interface failed all of my atempts to use it with nvda.
The fact that we have to choose antiviruses based on their accessibility instead of their protection is sad.

I will probably catch some heat for this, but I am very happy using Windows defender. But as many people have stated before, it all depends on what exactly you are looking for. I have also used Avast until it became unaccesible a few years ago, but it used to bbe a pretty solid antivirus program.

To be honest I am a bit angry with this to.
The best antivirus is not the most secure, its the most accessible.
No, scratch that fucking crap!
Msse is a fucking piece of shit, and probably windows defender is to, I don't care or wouldn't care if it was the best protection, its crap!
But between all the false positives on bgt games and the like and such its the only one that actually works on a semi reliable fashion.
Msse is the best antivirus because we can use it.
How about we take out best and add only.
Msse is the only antivirus with an interface that doesn't suck.
Oh wait, its crap by default because the interface is to basic.
I started in windows 95 with mcafee 4.0 and it was fine.
Then norton 1998, 2000, and up to 2003 and bloated that it was it had a lot going for it especially with systemworks, disk docter, the reg fixer, win doctor, the tips, the defrag, the security, the descriptive texts, and the lot.
True it was a memmory hog but I was happy for that.
Then along came avg and for a while that was fine.
Others had issues with avira, avast I could have gone to but they had captchas on downloads and I said no to that.
Suddenly everyone wants cash, I don't mind that, but addware with programs, unwanted programs that may be malware well.
Lets see, msse, doesn't have any of that but I am actually pissed at this, we need a choice, the blind don't have a choice.
The best antivirus is msse because we can use it, its the only fucking antivirus we have.
I want norton back, I want my advanced interfaces back, I want choice in what I use but I don't really have that.
Look at ccleaner, I have to use portable because of silly choices avast has made with that, monitering, running at startup and not honoring settings and the interface is inaccessible junk at least the checkbox panel is.
I am seriously wandering at this point if I should have an antivirus for scanning downloaded files mainly maybe something that runs and just does when I need to and forget the residant protection, its nothing bar trouble in my view.
I have to exclude so many of my programs I may as well not bother at all with antivirus or malware or anything.
Lets see, all blind games could be a virus, virtual recorder could be a virus, a few installers and backups could be a virus.
I have antivirus check in gmail.
The only time the av program could be good is with downloads now days.
And even then I don't have it scan archives in case it finds something it doesn't like.
Sophos is a nice idea but the false positives well damn.
What we really need is an antivirus which has a list of things one can exclude and export for others, that way we could exclude the bgt games, and other games, and export the list about for those of us to use.
I am excluding backup drives, which means I could catch something if I plug a friends drive in the system but if I don't a lot of my stuff will be misidentified.
It never used to be that way.
Antivirus used to find real viruses!
Antimalware used to find real malware.
Malwarebytes finds the same bgt files as issues I have had antimalware programs find certain registry keys etc as a problem, its laughable, with so many security breaches that the software we as users now need to work with is abismal it didn't use to be like this.
From 1995 through 2002 it actually was decent, even after the norton thing you still could get decent software up to and including 2010, after that things went boom.
Now it seems I spend time trying to fix issues caused by antivirus software.
I had a system I was working on for a friend, it was nice, but my friend got a virus.
She got a tech to load all sorts of things in to the system.
It took me 3 days to fix it.
2 hours removing all the security software.
2 days deleting junk files, and 1 day fixing system damage caused by said software.
And I was lucky, I got a system once so full of extras I spent a bit of time reformatting it, then I had to change all the passwords online for various things it had flagged and had to ask ms to not have me to rebuy windows and office, in 1998, this started with norton, in 2008 every other fucker joined in!

tell me about it.  my computer came with a mcafee trial and I can't get the thing off.  luckily I've managed to get defender to work independently.  It's very sad that it's pretty much the only accessible service though still.

My machine also came with McAfee, but I was able to uninstall it normally. I wonder if it depends on what version you end up with.

Hi,
very unlikely, its probably to do with the version.
and heh, I agree with the comment that the antiviruses themselves are bloody harder to get rid of than actual viruses!

I am still wondering at the person who posted about bit defender,though. whether its accessible at all? even if a little. I'd take dealing with exclusions and reading the notifications if nothing else at this point lol.

It truely does run as if its not there  most of the times, its just when it doesn't and the inaccessible notifications that used to come up at such times that made me get rid of it.
Grryf

hi orko,
Defender in 1607 added cloud based detection and scanning, which is different than maps. Windows defender can check files in the cloud, and decide if it is malware or not. This blog post describes how it works.
https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/micros … n-malware/

more than that, and more importantly, it can catagorize never before seen files as malware, based on cloud analyses.