Jaws eloquence crash strings (Page 4 of 5)

Jaws works better with Spotify than NVDA does? Not the last time I checked, which was about 6 or 7 months ago. Both can utilize the basic functions of the player, such as listening to and searching for tracks. However, I couldn't add songs to playlists using JAWS. Considering this is the entire reason I pay for a Spotify account, that's definitely a dealbreaker. I could, at that time, use NVDA to add songs, although it required a lot of use of object nav to get it done. Since an update to Spotify maybe 3 or 4 months ago, neither screen reader will do it, so it's kind of a moot point now, and I have to use the IPhone app if I want to tweak my playlists. But it's definitely a misnomer to say that NVDA doesn't work with Spotify and JAWS does, because there are features that neither can access. Oh, and you can't change your settings using either screen reader, either.

@The Great Carver, thumbs up to you. I'm glad to have a fellow human agree that blind people should not have to pay twice as much to use accessibility features.

And to the guy who asked why everybody bashes NVDA? Well, why does everybody bash jaws, is the real question. I've seen more people bash jaws than NVDA, so not sure where you get your info.
Something to point out I forgot to above is that jaws is litterally made for school and office work. The name means job access with speech. Its designed to work with microsoft word and stuff like that. NVDA, in my opinion, is better for the cajual computer user who just plays games. Its also good for programmers who code with python, as if your developing something and you want full screenreader support, you can design add ons with python that work how ever you like. Having said that though, jaws has that too. It has scripts you can create to work with programs. Not quite as good as NVDA, but more secure. The NVDA remote add on is not encrypted and is very, very hackable. It is not hard at all for somebody to hack your connection. With jaws tandom mode, its closed to users, encrypted, and more secure.
So there you have it, my jaws vs NVDA double post rant. I hope you like it.  Now time to play some cycle path.

Well about NVDA remote security, it is completely not true. Even if it was, create your own server and noone can hack you. You tell me well I don't know how to do that? A person who figured out by himself that someone can hack you so easily like that should be able to create a server.
Elements list isn't bad at all. Firstly it doesn't put anything together, when you open it you only have links. If you tab, there is a radio button to choose if you want links, headings or landmarks. In next version, there will also be buttons and formfields. In my view, much better than to memorise 5 different shortcuts for that. Even though I personally never found any need to use any links or elements list, for those who do it exists.
About bashing, you have such people at both sides who can't discuss something like this constructively and give real arguments so just resort to throwing random insults they have. Then again, random misconceptions like that NVDA can't browse the web aren't better either.
Guess what, writing this with NVDA. I don't know how is it possible but yes am browsing the web with NVDA, not to mention that there are a lot of sites which are inaccessible and with jaws they can't work, but with NVDA they can. Very simple reason for this is that when jaws sees an empty element, it simply ignores it unlike NVDA.

My thoughts exactly. A big thumbs up for you, sir.

Still don't get the purpose of the links list. It was taught when I was learning Jaws, I think I read the ins+h or ins+f1 or something for IE, so I was very aware of it, and had no contact with other Jaws users for, like, 5 years, and the subject never came up... It was always more annoying than useful, back when ins+f6 was a way to get to the desktop, since sometimes I'd hit f7 by mistake. Apparently it's good for something, otherwise it wouldn't be included, but I don't get it.

Adding to this. To start out, i started with JAWS 6 i think? I was around eight years old, and it was okay I guess, but it did slow down the school computer which was on Windows XP. I used different versions of JAWS by itself for about six years or so, until i got a laptop at home and discovered NVDA. I kept using JAWS at school because they didn't let me use NVDA. I had no learning curve though, and have always preferred NVDA. I believe the last full versoin of JAWS I used was 16. It wasn't terrible I guess, just not what I wanted. I didn't feel comfortable with it, and I personally felt that there was just too much to it. There were too many things I didn't need/want. I also needed a screen reader to work on a laptop with 2 gb of ram and 32 gb of storage, and jaws literally couldn't do that. NVDA has worked fine for me. I've used it in school settings, to fix other computers along with mostly narrator to be honest, and I haven't had any problems with the internet. One common complaint i hear about NVDA is that it shows oo many links on one line. My response is usually that that's h ow the screen looks, and if you don't like it, uncheck or check a box in the preferrences and that's it. So, I guess my thoughts are that both screen readers work, but for me, NVDA works better. I am happy we have multiple options though.

@90 yeah, perfect example for my post 83. You with so good vocabulary that you can only say insults have nothing to do in a screen reader discussion. How are we paying MS for accessibility? It's included in the price? OK then, sighted people pay for it too so why don't they complain or are you the only one noticing that? With all that still being true, still much much cheaper than jaws.
Best regards from an user of peace of shit called NVDA.

wooooooow. insulting someone's vocabulary. nice way to get your point across ass hat.

What ever, where is the discusion of crash strings in the page 3 and the page 4?
So, this topik can start a flamewar, please treath it with care.

No question, mac is much better than windows accessibility will ever be as far as narrator goes.

IN post 18, GreenGablesFan said that he did not like the JAWS implementation of Eloquence because of the inability for users to change the inflection. Well, I believe that I may have found how we can do it. Note that I tested these instructions using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10, but the process may be different for others.
1. Go to the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1.
2. Copy the ECI.INI to somewhere else.
3. Open the file, and find the code in square brackets of the language whose voice/s you wish to modify. For American English, ook for "[1.0"].
4. Find the voice/s you wish to modify. Most people use Reed, the default voice, who is represented by voice1.
5. Each of the numbers on this line after the equals sign is a parameter. Look for the one for your voice/s that has the value of 30. This is the one for the inflection. Edit this parameter very carefully, because if you accidentally edit other parameters without meaning to, you may get disastrous results. If you wanted 100% inflection, you would change the number to 100, and so on.
6. After editing the file for all of the voices you wish to edit, save the file and copy it back to the folder mentioned in step 1.