I'd agree with you Cx2 reguarding the F word, Sht or other expletives, however in what you might call my professional life (well at least when discussing religious philosophy), talking about the hot place, and occasionally being as you put it, darned, is sometimes neccessary in serious discussions, which would obviously be rather precluded with these board restraints.

As you say, it's the site admins decision and sinse we're using their board we abide by their rules, but Imho restrictions on "heck" and "Darn" are a litle strict (though admittedly, this isn't exactly a serious problem in a forum about computer games).

Btw, i have occasionally used on this board the word "Bloody" which is (at least here in the Uk), a minor expletive in the same catagory as "heck" obviously there's a cultural thing here as well as a context thing, but Imho this is stil a litle inconsistant.

Ah! the problem is explained. As I said before, sinse the primary purpose of this forum is disdussion of audio games, I don't really see that lacking the ability to say hell will make too much difference. 

(unless of course, it's the subject for a game!).

Agreed. Also, the place the forum makes sinnonymous with large ringable objects has indeed appeared as the main theme of certain games.

I don't know about Quake, but the original Doom game did involve a plot concerning portals to afforsaid place. also, Pegasus, a platform game on the Amigar actually did involve journeying streight to Hell and giving old Harry a good ding round the ear with your magic sword --- grin.

Finally, I remember reading in a highly informative faq about the mario Brothers cast, that Yoshi originally appeared in a Japanese game called Termigant (or something like that). In said game, you had to go through puzles ornamented with various angels and demons to get to you know where, and instead of the Yoshi egg power ups that appeared in the mario games, the main charactor actually collected litle crucifixes!

Not only was this game never brought out outside Japan, but even the trophy and all historical info related to it that could be found in the gamecube game Smash Brothers Melee was completely removed for fear of offending people's religious sensabilities, which slightly amused me.

Hmmm, that Quake plot sounds remarkabley similar to the Plot to the original Doom, now I can see why so many people said Quake was a bltant doom rip off (though obviously with the added death matches and co op play and such).

Actually Cx2, if I remember rightly, the original desert strike game did include Hellfire missiles, which made sense sinse the game involved flying around in an apache chopper. I would assume that the various sequels to Desert strike also had them as well, but I'm not certain on that point.

I'm almost sorry the forum doesn't eddit hellfire, I rather like the idea of having bellfire missiles.

I would imagine the level design would be quite complex.

Even in the original Quake maps there are many raised walkways and so on, and since then mainstream games included a lot of twisting corridors.

However if ID stay true to form they *may* release the Doom 3 source code, and this could open the door for a Doom 3 adaptation in the same manner as Audio Quake.

If I recall the original Doom plot was that a research facility was working on a type of portal, and accidentally opened up a connection to the hot place. Not quite the same as Quake, but the plots didn't really count for much. Quake was very different in play because it had the vertical axis, one of the earlier true 3D games. They took advantage straight away with various types of raised walkway all over the place, the ability to swim in water under areas you'd just walked over by using underwater tunnels, etc. If memory serves me there were a few instances of decorative beams up in the ceiling areas of some maps in the first episode that wouldn't have been possible before either. That was fun with the morning star mod, lol... think of a grapple and rope then you're about there.

aaaaah, and there go all my creative uses of analogy and references to ringing things! ;D.

To be serious for a second, a friend of mine does indeed own Doom 3 and I got a look at the game. Though certain elements appear accessible (you do get sterrio effects and all the plot is done through sound recordings), the main game didn't generally appear that way thus far, lots of complicated passages, attacks without any warning sound from monsters, that type of thing. Though if indeed source code is released, an Audio doom 3 would be possible.

Btw, my appologies Cx2 reguarding any mistakes i make about Fps games. Sinse I've never been able to play such games, I might make errors as to the mechanics. Also, I haven't yet explored the hole Audio quake business, though I probably ought to at some point.

I rather liked the multiplayer death match idea. I'd have to say Shades is one of my favourite audio games thus far, mostly because of it's atmosphere, and the fact that (despite not being perhaps full 3D), is as close to an Fps as I've got to play.

Sympathy with reguards to the site loss Cx2.

Right. You know, I think a good game to adapt, would be something like either Red Faction or Counter strike. It would be good to have those games adapted as well. Or if that's not possible, they could possibly ask Sony to permit them to redo rise to honor, though that might not be a good idea as that game was released to the ps2 so porting would be a hell of a pain.

Porting from PS2 to PC just for us is certainly not practical, and besides the console specific games are a way they have of enticing people to buy the console. They might see a port as a challenge in the same way as they have with emulators.

There have been several games though that have been quite close to accessible, if they just had 3d sound and some speech output. It's irritating when they're so close. For example the game Starfleet Command 3 involved 2d steering, which could easily be done with a tank commander or lone wolf style set up. A lot of the functions were available by keyboard already as well, it just needed the sound feedback.