Well Omar, I have had some great ideas for games the last 5 years or so. So if I ever get used to BGT which I really hope, then I might be able to make games pretty fast because I already have all the ideas! I'll study the language a bit more today, and most of the things are beginning to make sense!

Hi Omar,
I am not against Ghorthalon's idea, in fact I am very curious to see how it turns out, but I can't in all honesty exactly imagine what such a guide should look like. to me, when you combine the language tutorial, the game programming in practice tutorials, the reference and/or the example games, you've already got all the resources you could possibly want. Doing anything more would probably be just laying a game out for you, and that would seem counterproductive to me in the long run as it would not really serve the purpose of teaching people to actually understand the language and gradually become able to use it independently. Another approach would be to provide a template that would be easy to tweak and modify to have the core elements and behavior of the game fixed but allow the users to modify the individual characteristics, but this really is not what BGT was designed for and it has quite a couple of drawbacks:
1. it would take ages and be quite difficult to code for a single person if he or she wanted to make it right and easily tweakable.
2. It would be like Audiogame maker in the regard that it would allow you to come up with a small simplistic project rather quickly but it would inevitably suffer from many design limitations.
3. Similar templates would have to be developed for every gaming genre that you could think of.
4. We would then be flooded with dozens and dozens of small, predictable, familiar games that would be almost identical to one another and thus would get boring incredibly quickly as a result.
5. It would probably be quite easy to screw up without intending to and there would be a constant stream of urgent questions and queries about something trivial that was caused by the user's own lack of knowledge or awareness or whatever but it would still prevent their attempt at a game from working, it would require fixing and someone would always have to be available online to answer this kind of questions.
Although it might be sad or discouraging, which is not my intention but rather the blunt true state of things as they are, not everyone can develop a game. It's a branch of art like any other kind of programming or playing an instrument, and that does require certain talents, skill and learning curve. A game can't be made in the same way in which you would make a cup of instant coffee, just by pouring boiling water into it, and since everyone is different and has different strong and weak points, obviously not every single person does have what it takes to learn programming, even as simple as BGT, no matter how creative or imaginative they might otherwise be, etc. and you can't teach someone to play an instrument by performing a song for them and letting them feel your hands, which is exactly what providing such tweakable game templates would be in practice. For something similar to what audiogame Maker promised and what people probably still expected or even expect from BGT, someone might want to create a similar interface in BGT, so it would not have the bugs of audiogame Maker but it would still have to lack the same things and impose the same limitations as audiogame Maker did because of the very nature of programming. But if that's what most of the community wants, a cooker for instant games of a simplistic and similar nature and with certain unavoidable flaws, fair enough. :-)
Lukas

Hi,

Well, I'd try my own way of explaining how things work, but you're right, the language tutorial is good enough. Then I'd go through the process of coding 2 games perhaps, adding comments... Uh and jokes, along the way.
Just trying to take it as light as one could, while still keeping it productive and helpful.

I'd gladly pay for sound libraries if I had the ability to do so.

SLJ, I pasted your code into a file and ran it, and I got no errors. It read the menu just fine, and closed when I pressed enter on exit. What exactly is happening for you?

k, I understand now what's the problem.
it is happening with the most new version only..

Hm, I installed 1.1, but not the revision after that, so that might be the problem.
I generally make my own menus rather than using dynamic_menu, though the way I do it gets kind of tedious after a while, so I intend to give dynamic_menu a look at some point.
(Either that or make my own menu function, but that would probably be pretty pointless...)

Hi guys,

This was a bug in the dynamic menu in revision 2. Until I release revision 3, you can grab a fixed version at:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5121962/dynamic_menu.bgt

Just replace it in the include directory which you'll find in the main BGT folder.

Kind regards,

Philip Bennefall

I think in some way dynamic_menu is calling the run_extanded function rather then run function...

but I am not sure, so don't trust that.