Just as a note, please could people remember football means different things in different countries.

For instance in the Uk and europe, "football" fantasy or otherwise means socker not American football.

There are a couple of noteable football (ie socker), management games online such as hattric (which has a database entry), see the games online page at www.whitestick.co.uk for details, and also to see some other accessible sports management online games like a baskit ball manager, rugby manager and cricket manager.

For specifically American Football, I'm afraid I don't know, though I imagine there's something around somewhere sinse there are brouser based games for managing just about everything else sports wise (many mods of Hattric in fact).

not being a massive sports fan myself, I'm afraid I've not looked into such things too much.

mmmm, writerbug, I think you may have picked me up entirely the wrong way on this one. I had no intention at all to be "snarky" only to make the difference reasonably clear, sinse while as I said I have heard of games like Hatric and football manager, it may not be what you want if your looking for American football.

In the past we have had a litle confusion over this as regards the couple of accessible football games out there, hence why I wanted to make certain.

I'm sorry if my comment came across as sarcastic, it certainly wasn't intended to be.

Playing brouser games was actually how I learnt so much about navigating pages with hal, using find functions etc. It is true that if you just rely upon hammering the tab key to navigate you won't get on as well, but most screen readers have far more complex tools available.

In core exiles for instance (which does have a relatively complex layout), I use Ha's commands to skip to a given button, skip to a given link or edited area as well as jumping by paragraph or frame, and make extensive use of the find function which is fantastic, sinse you can just type in some text and be taken there.

I'd suggest looking through the Jaws manual or talking to more serious Jaws users about speeding up the process, sinse there are some rather good brouser games available.

Perhaps start with something with a relatively simple layout to get some practice, such as one of the legend of the green dragon type games which is in fact where I began myself.

Obviously some brouser games are just uninteresting or long winded, but I would make absolutely sure it is the game, and not your navigation skills that is making the difference.

This is especially true of games with fairly complex pages.

hi dark,
hi dark,

its my lack of knowledge of jaws that stops me playing browser games,  and to be honest i dont think i have the brains to soak all the information in,  come on you no how bad my punctuation is.