I think this must be another day ending in Y. Seriously, "We need a new forum"? Again? I know of at least one supposedly new forum that was needed that the admins have literally done not much with yet since it was installed. It was installed months ago. Some need, eh?

And its time I start to actually groww and get a deep voice and a mustache.

Step 1: Notice something wrong with the forum.
Step 2: say "We need a new forum!"
Step 3: Either don't do anything about it yourself and tell other people to do it, or create a piece of shit forum, using the same system as this one so therefore with the same problems, with admins that nobody will trust.
Step 4: Repeat every goddamn week.

Here's the thing. I see where these people come from sometimes, but at the same time they don't approach it correctly. All I"m gonna say is, I've got I think a good enough understanding of Django to make a decent Forum if push comes to shove, but I won't until something bad happens, because it doesn't serve any real purpose.

@8 You don't even need to reinvent the wheel. There are systems that would work out of the box, even more if we just reskinned them or whatever. But people never use those because at the end of the day they would rather do no work and be on a power trip for as long as their dumb forum remains relevant (probably only a few minutes or seconds) than do the work and create a community that people would actually like to be in.

@11 that's priceless. You not holding that much weight in this community. hardy haha. ha! ha!ha! ha!ha! ha!ha! ha!ha! ha!ha! ha!
In all seriousness though, after the mods you're probably the most respected/valued person  on this forum. The only other person rivaling you would be dark.

Lucas, that's actually a fair point. The reason I don't often use such things is I like the freedom that comes with my own creations, as much as Django is original. But also most of the Forum Prototypes are PHP, and I will never work with Php again unless I'm payed a lot of money.

I mean, as much as we like joking and making fun of it, this is actually a serious problem. A developer should potentially come here and want to get information, and the first thing they will see is this mess that restricted users topic currently is? Not to mention the explicit content that is now being posted there. Unlike some problems which can kind of be ignored, this is in my opinion a serious issue when it comes to the presentation of the forum.

Nocturnus, you are one of the few people whom I could see being able to seriously throw some weight behind a new forum. My interactions with you have always been respectful and professional (when they needed to be) and I think there aren't many people who could say otherwise. You also probably underestimate the advantages that being reasonable and well-spoken gives you.
@fox: Yes but, and I'm sorry, "I think a good enough understanding of Django" is going to turn into a buggy, insecure forum when you could use something field tested, even if it is in PHP.

lmfao, if a new forum cambe to be and it was actually succesful; all the bullshit would follow if people from here came to that.  It would be a new forum with the same shit, just different address.

@Lucas1853.  Priar to stepping down from the mod panel, I was tapped for the possibility of becoming chief admin.  I won't go into any further detail on who how or why that was even a matter of discussion as I firstly rejected the possibility outright, and secondly the reasons why I rejected the offer.  Quickly paraphrasing, I stated that every huge body of collective subjects requires some semblance of leadership within it, and that such leadership should always be clear and concise, driven by integrity, rationality and humility, with the understanding that the leader must be a good follower and that neither is better than the other, that both captain and team reflect one another in every aspect, particularly when it comes to choices being made and decisive stances being taken in important matters that interest and include the body as a whole.  Such leadership should also be helpful, productive, creative, inspiring and insightful, knowing when to push forward to progress in good form, and when to scale back for the safety of the governed body as a whole and not simply for personal interests.
I believe such a tall order is absolutely necessary to a community of this caliber now more than ever, considering the toxicity certain subjects and topics have generated, the crises we all face both as members of society and individualistically, and while many might turn their noses up at this idea and sneer because "Hey, this is a forum, not a country!  Shut up!"  I see nothing to the contrary that seems to suggest that this forum is running to the liking of some of its most notable members.  Do we all tolerate it?  Yes, but only because we know that nothing better at present exists.  Should we?  That's the matter which has spawned this and other topics of this nature.  considering the various reasons people have brought up, I think the question is not one of if we should but how, and who in all reality should lead the charge.
In short, the reason I would never seek such a position is that I do not trust that everyone will agree with such a tall order.  Only if a majority were to come to this way of thinking and, were I elected to serve in such a capacity by said majority, would I ever fully accept and thereby take up the mantel.  About the only thing I can say to my credit as it pertains to handling such an undertaking is that all of the above and more are all things I would always expect of myself or any other person in such a place of power.  Anything less than that is traitorous complicity and should be regarded as such.  It is the smallest of actions that destroy trust in a matter of seconds, trust that takes years and years of diligent work and effort to establish and which can easily be swept asunder by anything ranging from lack of transparency to rude conduct.
But more to the point, and I am willing to accept this may be flawed and illogical and perhaps even naively hopeful nonsense on my end, I still believe in this community.  It's moderators are still trying, even though they are hampered and limited by the way this site works or does not work, and have made decisions that consider everyone equally rather than simply taking or selecting the words of a few members.  In a world where some of my strongest philosophical and spiritual Christian principles and beliefs would make me a targeted subject of persecution, this forum has stood by me, even when it does not concretely agree with my stance and worldview.  People like Jayde, who have readily and firmly disagreed with me, could just as easily make a good argument as to why people like me should be booted out the door.  He has not, and I do not believe he will.  I understand his positions even if I do not agree with everything he says.  He, in turn, respects me as a person and understands that no matter how strongly I believe something it would never escalate to me discriminating against or otherwise attacking someone simply because they do not believe as I do.
so there you have me and my thoughts on this kerfuffle in a nutshell.  Have at it and once you're done put a lid on it, lest it all get away.

I don't think a leader needs to be a follower. That's one of those things where it might sound big and profound at first, but when you drill down deeper, there's simply nothing there. Leaders should be good listeners. They should be good at time management. They should know when they might have to step in and deal with someone more closely, and when someone else will get things done without needing micromanaged. They should be able to think ahead, see the big picture, and plan things in their best attempt at a strategy so that pieces fall into place as time moves forward.

When you say leader and follower, you can easily substitute the terms dominant and submissive. While some people carry both those traits, one will generally come out on top more often. If you have a dominant personality, you may be a good leader. Though there's more to it than just being alpha.