2020-05-09 12:46:40

Hi.
Lets share our experiences with using both, and share pros and cons of using both again. Sory for repeating my self but just dont have a mood to write or something cause i dont get ideas on how to even begin a post xd. Any ways, here we go.
First i wil start with the best whitch is pros of using linux.
Lets see if markdown works on AG forum, shall we?
# pros of using linux
* Great package managemend systems! Say apt-get or pacman, or these pacman aur wrappers like yay. They definitevly make your life easier than windows users have because on windows you mostly have to hunt for software and even then you dont know if its a virus or not. Yeah, arch's aur can probably be malicious at times but i use it and haven't had any problem so far.
* A convenience of TTY. For new users tty/terminal can be pretty hard to learn, but i started out with a macos terminal and copy pasting and here i am, able to doo alot of stuff in linux just by using a command line.
* A huge amount of things you can customize. You dont like gnome on ubuntu? Sure! Grab ubuntu mate or install mate your self and then uninstall gnome. Want to have that pro feeling of using only TTY but your distro is packed with a bloaded desktop? Just remove it! Dont like caja but instid like pcmanfm, grab pcmanfm and remove caja! Can you go as high as modifying your kernel in windows? Nah. You can do that in linux though!
There are many more things you can doo with linux, but i just had these on top of my hed.
# cons of using linux
* Nothing like lion for NVDA. I wish orca had something like that, or atleast a buildin ocr whitch it also doesn't have and if you want a ocr you need to grab tesseract or ocrdesktop or do something your self.
That's the only thing that comes in to my hed now.
I wont type about windows as i am kinda lazy but i hope you'l have some more ideas here

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2020-05-09 13:18:03

Another factor is app compattibility. As much as I want to use linux as my daily driver, I just can't because of how many windows specific apps I need to use all the time. VIP mud, foobar 2000 (and no VLC is not in any way a substitute) and TW blue, just to name a few. Oh, and I still haven't figured out how to get SAPI working in wine, btw. It's a shame because I really do like linux, specifically ubuntu mate, and think it's superior to windows in so many ways.

2020-05-09 14:06:17

I personally dont use vipmud and foobar2000, so i hadn't had a problem with that.
If you want sapi on wine, just copy paste these commands in to your terminal window
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install wine-development
sudo apt-get install winetricks
winetricks -q speechsdk
and here you go.
Just delete a nvda controller cliend dll from any game/app that uses both nvda and sapi

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2020-05-09 23:07:28

Just bumping this basck up to the top again, as I think this has the potential to be a very interesting discussion.

2020-05-09 23:51:28

I wrote about this a bit:

https://devinprater.github.io/open-source-blindness/

There is more that I'll write further, as I have a Raspberry Pi 4 that I'm using Linux on, and have some hot takes for that. First and foremost, why the Rust, Ruin, crem, and Lord Ruler is there an "accessibility setting" that can be disabled or enabled for Gnome and such desktops? Why is there a freaking option! For people to disable accessibility? What the actual crap! Because storming choice, right? Because installers can be inaccessible because ah its some one else's fault go bother some one else you blindie, right? Because oh its open source but we can't help we're so so sorry, right? Ugh! The open source community is pretty awful as a whole, when it comes to accessibility. Why is that? I believe its because they aren't accountable, to anyone. When you don't have to worry about government mandates, or losing your job, or thousands of angry users, you can pretty easily ignore that one stupid disabled guy that won't shut the crem up about making our app, that we work so hard on, accessible. I mean, there's just that one person; why would we do something for that one person?

Now, there are exceptions. This chat app:

https://github.com/Restioson/vertex

has been made accessible due to my interactions with one of the developers, and we all know about Retroarch. There is also this Jekyll mode for Emacs, which now has a way to work with Emacspeak:

https://github.com/masasam/emacs-easy-jekyll/issues/5

And the Mate desktop continually sees small accessibility fixes in its releases, and they're proudly shown in the release notes, even though Linux podcasts just seem to be blind to them, pun intended.

But, there are these issues:

AltStore accessibility problems:

https://github.com/rileytestut/AltStore/issues/145

Delta accessibility:

https://github.com/rileytestut/DeltaCore/issues/13

from which I've not heard a peep from the developer. So really, just because something is open source does **not** make it better for us. In fact, it probably means that the program is less likely to be accessible, because the developer doesn't *need* to make it accessible. There's no accountability reason to do so. My opinion on open source is pretty enflamed, yes. Because there's so much potential in it. I mean, people working together is a great ideal. It's wonderful, and could be so much more accessible than what it is, if people actually cared. And I do care about open source. I write about it on my blog. My blog itself is open source; contributions welcome. But I'm not a developer, so I can't contribute code to make projects more accessible.

So, what about Windows? Well, its much more accessible, but innovations happen slowly there. Although, it is the first operating system with a screen reader that, unlike Google, the AI-first company, contains AI connection. Yes, Narrator uses AI to describe images, and I am fairly sure that it was the first. I mean, not everything is perfect. Spell checking could be improved with a hotkey to move between misspelled words and such, and Markdown could be offered system wide; nothing does this yet but why not hope, and the Microsoft Rewards program has inaccessible quizzes requiring drag and drop. But my goodness, they're at least moving forward.

Now, as I've said on my blog post, Linux isn't entirely standing still regarding accessibility. GTK is working on modernizing its accessibility system, and the Mate desktop comes out with accessibility improvements right in the *changelogs*. I mean, what other desktop does that besides Windows? So its not all bad on Linux, just, very frustrating and disillusioning.

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2020-05-10 13:49:11

True.
Some people wil ignore us, but there is alot of developers that wont. Just look at the examples below. I am a 14 year old guy who wants to use linux, and i made a few threads on manjaro forum regarding accessibility, and theyr response was really great, because they want to help with that.
They worked on sonar and stuff before.
Here are a few threads i created.
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-and … ity/130002
This one is the bigest.
The rest wil be not so big, but stil
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/request-for … ion/139638
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/sonar-gnu-l … ess/139935
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/help-needed … nar/140418

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2020-05-10 14:15:43

well its interesting. I have a vps and I would love to try out how its like to use linux as if you had it installed in your pc as opposed to copy pasting too many things in the shell. Is there any way or any remote desktop that is accessible and can  work from windows?
unfortunately no USB drives where I am, so no, live booting is most likely not an option right now.

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2020-05-10 14:21:05

Maybe try a VM? USB flash drives are very cheap on Amazon, though.

2020-05-10 15:07:09

@6: That's great. But isn't their installer not accessible? Or is that Antergos? ah, one of them I *know* has an inaccessible installer. Yeah, shoot, I might just be impatient. That happens sometimes. It's just hard when people just don't respond at all. But I keep using as much open source as possible.

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2020-05-10 16:55:17

I must take back some of what I've said before. The creator of AltStore and Delta is in contact with me, so we may yet see improvements from this. This is the great part of open source, when developers do listen, *amazing* things can happen!

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2020-05-10 17:11:54

@7 There's my Orca Remote plugin, but please note that it is in early development.
You can find more details at https://github.com/thgcode/orca-remote
and the topic I created for it at https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/3447 … da-remote/

2020-05-11 13:27:42

Yeah, theyr installer is inaccessible. It's called calamares and its made in qt. Since it runs as root qt-at-spi cant really help. Calamares is good in a sence you could make your own distribution that incorporates calamares, and i cant wait til it wil be accessible since then i wilbeable to make my own arch based distro with a friendly installer!

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