just because i said the thing about coppyright dosent meen the coppyright is gon, as long as the coppyright is still there you cant clone or steal sounds, if youd whanted to code your own manamon game it would be better if you could just create it from your own code

But manamon is very close to pokemon. Only 2 reasons he got away with it: 1; its a mainstream game but inaccessible. So now that there is an accessible one, this community has a reference to target the new game saying, we already have this. 2; no person or organization filed copyright on pokemon. Its a small community. If it was not, it would have likely been stepping on the trademark

I have no problem, Nintendo didn't lose any money and people who wouldn't be able to play got to play

Elvond, with a v, not a b. But I think it gets TriBeam and Magic Wave, and that's it. TriBeam's not too bad, though it has an accuracy penalty and sometimes only hits once and is thus stupidly weak. More balance issues. Bleh.

Also...regarding the person who said that it's okay because it's only Nintendo/Aaron was just trying to let people who otherwise wouldn't be able to play pokemon do so?
Uh, no, that is precisely -not what he was trying to do. I could borrow a friend's DS, GBA or whatnot and even straight-up buy a second-hand pokemon game for approximately twenty dollars; Aaron's game costs more than twice that. Aaron also didn't just remake pokemon, though he came awfully close in a lot of ways; he made his own game, with heavy borrowing from a very well-known franchise, in order to fill a niche in the market. If all he'd wanted to do was make an old pokemon game accessible, aka Braillemon, then okay, you have an argument. That is absolutely not what happened though. The instant you borrow this heavily and then start trying to monetize it, you're eding into extremely iffy territory in my books.

If I write a book called The Five Halls of Argentio about a quest of three heroes who meet under unlikely circumstances, travel across the world and invade an enchanted castle, and then a few years later I see that you wrote a book called The Five Rooms of Arcenio with a very similar concept (naming, concepts, story progression, plot arc, even dialogue bits), you'd better believe I'd be pissed. Especially if your work wasn't just fanfiction (I care little about fanfiction, honestly). If you tried ripping off my book, or my piece of music, or my game, or my whatever, and I found out, and it was pretty damn obvious what you were doing, I would first probably ask you to demonetize the project, and then try and seek legal action against you. This is not because I'm a hard-nosed capitalist. I'm quite the opposite. It's because everyone deserves protection, or nobody does. It's just about that simple.

Aaron Baker does not get a free pass just because he scratched everybody's pokemon itch, guys.

Oh. I might be wrong then. If it's 51 and hasn't gotten TriBeam, it may never get that move.

Yeah. As for Elvond not getting the right sort of same-type attacks, or good moves in general? Get in line. lol I'd say well over half the manamon in the game have bad movesets.

It was completed because the storyline was prewritten... by Nintendo. I don’t know what braillemon is, but it sounds like an already existing game being modified. So that means trying to think of an original idea not done before, modifying a game to be accessible. Hard work to plan how to do it and also to emplament it. Assuming I am correct about braillemon

Do you think a well-known author who found out their book was plagiarized would chase an indy author who ripped them off really blatantly? Guess what? It happens. Ditto with music artists, painters, sculptors, all sorts of art. Nintendo may not chase them, but if they avoided it, it wouldn't be because they don't care; it would be because they'd be afraid of the media twisting it way, way out of shape.
Manamon did engender a ton of hard work. There was a lot of original (if weird) character design, and the writing of the code, script and all that probably took a lot of time. I won't take that away from Aaron. The game was solid and relatively bug-free, and the sound design was good. It was rare that people broke their games due to bugs or issues. So fine. He worked hard. But he also hugely borrowed from a popular franchise, and instead of just saying "here guys, this is what it's like to play pokemon", he turned arouna dnc charged near the price of a console game, even though he didn't have a graphics budget and used many sounds and music under a GPL which, as far as I know, means he neither had to pay any composers for them nor any royalties on game sales. So his budget wasn't nearly as big, but neither was the amount he needed in order to break even either. And again, huge borrowing. I could go through it in detail, but I've done it elsewhere. I am quite sure that if one of Nintendo's lawyers was consulted about this, it would absolutely count as plagiarism.

Well, while it's hot, let's point some stuff out.

1. Original pokemon game has 151, not 158, but that's not a huge difference.
2. Shared types. Standard (normal), flame (fire), water, plant (grass), insect (bug), ice, dragon, ghost, steel, earth (ground), stone (rock), magic (psychic), fighting, electric, air (flying), poison. Pokémon has the fairy type for itself. Manamon has the undead and holy types. That's...pretty much it when it comes down to type differences. The rest are cut from the same cloth and share most of the same interactions. So sixteen of seventeen types are borrowed almost straight from pokemon. If this was just earth/water/air/fire/spirit/light/dark/whatever, then whatever, but it's not. Sorry, you don't get a free pass just because you call a dark type a shadow type, or a grass type a plant type.
2. Tamers vs. trainers. Stadiums vs. gyms, with puzzles/challenges in each. You earn keys/badges to prove you're the very best like no one ever was. Each stadium/gym has a leader with a particular gimmick as well as at least one underling in most cases who espouse one type in particular.
3. You have a friendly rival (like the newer games). You get an electronic gismo that records creature data when you encounter them, including where it was encountered and a description. You catch with nets or balls, and better nets/balls yield better catch rate. The combat mechanics are similar, albeit slightly different in each franchise; I'll give Manamon a little credit here, since a 6 vs. 6 battle is kind of nuts and it pulled it off. Also tri typing, which was also handled with a fair degree of grace. Equippable items. Super-effective vs. not-very-effective attacks. The game plays almost exactly like pokemon, with the differences being pretty skin-deep.
4. Manamon hotel/pokemon center. Evil organization bent on taking over the world...uh, just because? Mythicals/legendaries.
5. A lot of pokemon games have the first "dungeon" area in a forest. This game is no different. Not a big deal, but kinda stands for all the rest.
6. Literally dozens of moves with names taken straight from pokemon or borrowed heavily in functionality.

Yeah, I dunno, folks. I'm just scratching the surface here, and I don't think anyone can try and claim this game is not plagiarism in its truest sense. The more I see, and the more time I've spent with this game, the clearer it all gets. If you read a book or article and then submitted an essay that borrowed this heavily from something, and you didn't cite sources (or hell, even if you did), you'd probably be nailed for academic dishonesty. And what is it called when we do that and try to charge money for it, especially when the source material is not part of the public domain?

Go back to the move tutor and see what Elvond can learn. It's possible he can learn Tri-Beam earlier than level 20, although I doubt it.

I personally always bred Mutmo and got one with good stats, then transformed it at level 1 into Elvond so it got the proper stat distribution. On the other hand, though, for Blaizond I waited all the way till level 49, left it a Mutmo till it got Slash, since Blaizond is undoubtedly the best of the Mutmo trio.
Speaking of Mutmo, he may as well be Eevee, but at least Aaron didn't go with fire-water-electric; he went magic-shadow-flame, for some reason.
I think for me, the greatest outrage, so to speak, was finding the poster in the arcade which led to the rocket hideout (ahem, the shadow warrior's underground, or whatever it's called). For the uninitiated, this is exactly what you do near the midpoint of the first generation of pokemon games; you go into Celadon's game corner, tear down a poster, and *gasp!* there's a way to a Team rocket dungeon. And see, in that dungeon, you get a useful item; in this area, you get...a whole bunch of goodies if you know ehre to look, but otherwise nothing. Basically it's a way to artificially inflate the plot. Yavin wants you to come by and meet him there, so you plough through all the fights (including the scaled ones at each door), play the recycled mini-games at each door, navigate the couple of puzzles, fight Yavin, and then...go right back to the jungle, which is mysteriously wide open now. This is, IMHO, lazy writing at its best. Conveniently locked areas - and by extension, conveniently -unlocked areas - are a feature that's very common in this game, unfortunately, and this one really smarts because it's initiated by some extremely blatant pokemon homage.

And that's the other thing. Some people are going to say that this is a loving homage. Fine, okay. I like some homages, as they're often better than the original and often prove how much a person loved a franchise. But these usually don't cost money and usually don't make the creator any sort of profit, because that's called plagiarism, and you don't get a free pass just because you hit the nostalgia button.

I'm sure some people will think I'm being too hard on the game, or on its creator, but that's cool. Go on and think it at this point. I've played the game over a dozen times to see what's what. I've written a guide for it. I've also played over half a dozen mainstream pokemon games, and have generally been a pretty big pokemon fan for the last fifteen years or so. Each time a new generation came out, I found myself asking if it might be playable. My interest in obtaining and playing new pokemon games is less now, but I still love the strategy the franchise has become famous for.

Here's my closure for the beaten dead game. We all knew it was plagiarism from the first day. So here is my question to the 2016 forum moderators.

Why did you let such activity as this one occur? Why was nothing done about this game being sold at a high price and being claimed as "original work"? No one told Aaron, hey dude, this is plagiarism. It's not right. Before you can release this game you have to admit that it is a clone and lower the price.

Here's why this bothers me so much. We are a small community. And sometimes sighted game developers take a look at this forum to see how they can assist this community, or if this community will benefit and if they will benefit from accessibility in their game. So they come here and they see Manamon. They see 3 clones of tk, although the mods are cracking down on that issue, but cloning is still a hot persuit. They will see things like Manamon, plagiarism from a sighted game, and arrogance and money hungry so far that they claim it is original work. This is damaging to our reputation, majorly! So I don't understand why the forum, both mods and users in 2016 didn't tell Aaron he needed to fix some shit before he could release the game. I sincerely hope that the forum in 2019 will take better care of what is being distributed among the community. Maybe my hopes are too high. But we can not let another plagiarism like Manamon take place, no matter how good the quality is. Our reputation would be at risk for any sighted developer who finds it.

I don't know anybody have this problem now. I play this game at least ten times. And I able to trade with myself just find until yesterday.

I am not  able to connect online and trade. When I get online it's says, "Unable to setup your wireless connection." Even Unnoned Gifts say that as well. Weired!! I also forgot to mention this. the VGStorm website isn't working either.