If Crafting Kingdoms is any indication of the usability of their apps, I don't have any concerns. It's just a matter of patience (which some folks apparently don't have).
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#77 2019-07-17 23:05:36
I'm coming in with a very unpopular opinion.
First, if you spend any time in the gamer realm at all, you also know there is a huge entitlement issue. The fact that now a member of a company is upset because of something that I also think is a shitty move and now feels soured about accessibility makes me question their intentions.
And you would likely say I'm being unfair.
But so are posts like this, which are basically scolding the majority of us who don't do things of this nature. Do people not believe that sighted gamers are not entitled, leave 1 star reviews for unfair reasons, or make unfair demands? It happens.
So the thing that frosts my cookies is that now someone feels that they want to take their toys and go home? While I feel the frustration and sympathize, I wish this hadn't been posted here because nothing makes me want to buy a game less than the idea of someone talking about just dropping accessibility based on the actions of others. When sighted gamers also show their asses, will the company consider taking away features of their game?
I always feel frustrated when I see posts like this from developers because I go between feeling frustrated on behalf of the developer, irritated at the people who made them feel this way, and angry that once again we have to be subjected to another rant by people whose games we are buying when they would be better served keeping it a little more private and group texting their feelings and sparing us from being preached at, again.
#78 2019-07-17 23:35:44
@76 Yeah, and it's not just Crafting kingdoms. She wrote a plugin for making accessible games in Unity which quite a few devs are already using, namely app a11y uses it in their game world app. @77 yeah, couldn't wait for a post like that. Mainstream community is way larger. For on100 1 star reviews, you get possible 500 5 star reviews. Also, nobody takes away features from them because well, all those developers are sighted people, and how can you program something you can't use? That's why reverse never happens. In fact, there are even more reasons, and I'll just say that this is one of a few accessible mainstream games, even more so on Android than iOS. So if you are in such a hurry to have concerns, then I don't know honestly what's up with people. If one day these guys make a completely inaccessible game, they have every right to do it because not every game can be made accessible. However, people don't realize that. Am I happy with the number of games we currently can play with sighted people? Hell no I'm not. However, is this really the type of company to blame? In fact, she raises a very valid point. I also want to say that when sighted users leave one star reviews, they have tried the app. These people did not give one star reviews based on the quality, they gave them based on the idea that it wont ever be accessible, while a simmple email to the company would work very well.
#79 2019-07-18 01:56:48 (edited by Ethin 2019-07-18 01:57:31)
@77, the mainstream industry is large, but this is a game that isn't exactly well known. If a game is extremely well-known, then a one-star review isn't going to do much, if anything. But if a game isn't well-known, say less than 10000 people know it (as an example), then a one-star review can be extremely damaging. If that one-star review is never purged, then it can affect the games popularity in the future.
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#80 2019-08-05 17:20:17 (edited by RTT entertainment 2019-08-05 17:21:18)
Hi everyone. Sorry to revive this topic, but does anybody know if this game is still being developed? I know the developer said that it would take a few weeks, but it has almost been a month. I’m not asking for the game to be released and I know it takes a lot of time, but may we please at least still get an update as to how things are coming along? Please don’t tell me to just be patient and wait for the games release? I am not asking for the game to be released. I’m only asking for an update as to what is going on.
Hopefully, we'll get a fully accessible open world game someday.
#81 2019-08-05 18:05:00
I imagine as soon as there is an update we will all know about it. These things take time and patience.
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#82 2019-08-05 19:22:43
I don't know why I'm jumping in here, but I have my own opinion on this mess.
first, Especially if the company is actively working on accessibility, it serves us better to be constructive and say things to them on their forums or in private like "Hey, this thing doesn't work, you might be able to fix it by doing X." or "Could you rearrange things so that this is this way?"
I do think that if a game could reasonably be considered accessible-possible and the developers are openly and aggressively anti-accessible, then 1-star reviews are valid. If Crafting Kingdom basically told us to go jump in a river, with their game being so easy to make accessible, then we have the right to throw down bad reviews.
However, in the case of crafting kingdom, this sin't the case so they haven't earned what a small number of brats have done.
As for what can come from being noisy.
When the Amazon Kindle first came out, Amazon was openly against putting text-to-speech on the system to allow the blind to use the device to read. My family, as well as others all over the country contacted everyone they knew, both sighted and non-sighted about this rather jerkish policy and there was a huge flood of negative comments thrown in on Amazons comment thing for the Kindle announcement. The decision was reversed within an hour and Amazon said that the Kindle would have text-to-speech features. It has opened up a huge world of reading for me and countless others that just wasn't open before as a result.
Do I think all video games should be accessible. My answer is No. Some games are simply too complex or just not a format that an accessible version would be reasonable. Something like Super Mario Galaxy could never be made into an accessible game. I think we need to be realistic.
If the game is super-complex or we can't think of a reasonable way to help the developers make it work for us, we shouldn't throw down a bad review or raise a fuss. When a game is either reasonabally able to be made accessible and the developer refuses to do so, or it is accessible and then the developr loses any intent in making it accessible, such as in the case of Herozero, then it is reasonable to throw down bad reviews. That is how we make our voices heard. The bad reviews, as Crafting Kingdom's developer said, hurt their pocket books. If we hurt bad companies that won't listen to REASONABLE accessibility requests, they are likely to listen.
However, Crafting kingdom and several other games don't deserve it. In fact, even though they haven't gotten quite there, Crafting kingdom I think deserves high reviews because they are making an effort. High reviews for serious attempts at accommodation are powerful too and will urge more companies to do this as such high reviews help their pocket books.
I'm not a member of the NFB or AFB but they do a lot of good work along with being a little too militant for my tastes, though they aren't monolithic and I've met several very reasonable members before, they don't all agree on what things are best to do and not all of them participate in all of their projects.
But that's all I have to say about that.
#83 2019-08-05 19:31:36
The game is still being developed, I saw a recent update, though not one related to accessibility, still as Liam said these things take time and i'm confident that if Metalpop have said the game will be accessible, it will be.
Personally, I've wanted a really good single player space colony management game for a while now so I'm really looking forward to this one.
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#84 2019-08-05 20:39:50
Does anybody know if this game is an open ended affair? From what my friend played, he says that it seems to be very mission based. That’s not a bad thing, it just seems like a strange direction for a colony management game to take.
Hopefully, we'll get a fully accessible open world game someday.
#85 2019-08-07 19:58:37
In my case? Nothing. I've tried to get them on multiple occations to hlep out with truly real cases of work-place and educational descrimination, but all they do is refer me to a local or federal agency. THe NFB only helps when the case generates enough poblisity, allowing them to steal the spotlight, and if you don't believe me, look at all there cases. They don't help the small local students, they help out those who go to large universities. THey Don't go after smaller companies who descriminate against blind peple they go after places like walmart, and target, and amazon because they are well known. If it doesn't generate poblisity , it isn't worth there time.
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#86 2019-09-05 19:16:58
Hi everyone!
The work on the accessibility for this game is coming along great! I've made a recording of the first 4 minutes of gameplay and posted it on my blog. If you're interested in a sneak preview, here's the link:
https://icodelikeagirl.com/2019/09/05/g … k-preview/
#87 2019-09-05 21:11:55
Hi.
This game is going to be great!
Just like crafting kingdom, I'm sure it will bring us hours of fun.
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#88 2019-09-06 02:00:51
This sounds badass. I've wanted to play this since first hearing about it, but now I can't wait until the accessibility stuff gets released. This sounds like something right up my alley, and I love the humor.
#89 2019-09-06 03:01:18
I'm not normally a huge fan of this sort of thing, but I liked what I saw here. Hey, at least it's not another FPS.
I definitely can appreciate that there's a ton of work that's going to go into making this accessible, especially if it's a hex grid and not just a traditional one. I can't even imagine the math, so I don't envy your position.
Basically, if it takes a bit of time, that's fine. Do it right, even if it takes longer, that's the main thing.
I really don't love it when people make comments about how they're just gonna drop accessibility altogether if this is the response they get (not saying you're doing this, BTW, not at all). Because what it feels like is "not only do you have to wait, but you also have to play nice. I can take this away whenever I want, so be grateful", and that's not cool. It's true enough, but it's not cool. Insofar as it's reasonable, accessibility should be an automatic in game development, not a privilege. This is why I really appreciate what you're doing here.
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#90 2019-09-06 03:15:48
It wasn't this person saying that though, it was their management;. I do share the sentiment though. However, I also see how accessibility can hurt a company. It's more time, more money, and then when people act all entitled about it, the higher ups start questioning whether it's really worth it.
#91 2019-09-06 03:18:56 (edited by Dark 2019-09-06 03:19:31)
As I said previously in this topic, I've been waiting for an accessible single player space colony game for a long time.
I absolutely love the idea of taking a load of lost colonists from a few planetary explorers to building and overseeing entire cities, nurturing their development, coping with an alien environment, and keeping things running smoothly.
I appreciate the complexity that goes into making a game like this accessible, and am glad that one or two loud mouthed idiots haven't soured entire process. As Jayde said, though theoretically accessibility should be automatic with most if not all games, in practice at the moment it takes a lot of particularly specialised work on the part of developers, especially in games like this with complex interfaces, however I can say such work is very much appreciated and I look forward to experiencing the result when its ready.
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#92 2020-01-02 03:12:19
hello
does anyone knows status of the accessibility work?
last update was 3 months ago, but maybe ,there are someone on the discord server and knows something.
let's rock!
#93 2020-01-02 17:15:54
I've been checking the blog and left comments, but even my comments haven't been approved, so I'm not sure. Either the blog has been abandoned in favour of some other communication method, or there are
some unexpected hitches.
I can say there have been no main line updates to the game for a while, so perhaps something is happening in the developer's personal circumstances we don't know about, though I won't start to get seriously worried for another few months.
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