Ntm in games like Oh Shit, that I created, porting to the Mac and getting proper signing, which is highly recommended and in fact I've heard that some versions of Mac Os don't even like you to run unsigned apps, it's a cost of $100. I'm in college, not doing this full time, only barely committed to anything; basically just coding when I'm bored and have time; I don't feel it necessary or beneficial to spend $100 to port a free game over to Mac.

Hi.
I agree that it would be nice to have more games for Mac. The Mac platform is indeed also made for gaming. There is Steam, Gamecenter and the App store. You can of course also install downloaded applications.
However, us who have chosen a Mac are not limited to this platform. I have used virtual machines since 2009 for gaming, and it works just fine. Bootcamp is also an option, so I don't complaint.

The only good thing about the mac are the voices, everyone knows that. They are horrrible. I think you should just get a nice pc with Windows, preferably Windows 10, if you don't like the new start menu, you can fix it with Classic Shell or StartIsBack.

Best regards
T-m

May I ask you: For how long time have you used a Mac to write such comment? If VOiceover is what people want, they can't get such stable screenreader on Windows. They can't get the visual Voiceover cursor as well, or the great web navigation, which is easier for a lot of people on the Mac than on Windows. That of course requires people to understand how it works.
Please give me Audio Hijack for Windows, or an alternative, which is fully accessible.
Again, I'm interested in hearing about your experiences with the Mac, and for how long time you have used it. Mac is not Windows, and Windows is not Mac Os. So your recommendation just don't make sence to me...

Agreed.
Slj, you're forgetting a few things here. Tmstuff may be wrong on the only good part of the mac being the voices, yeah, he's wrong alright. Lol. But from a user's standpoint:
1. We're still missing OCR, we're dependent on the open source community to bring us a Tesseract-driven OCR solution for voiceover that depends on Keyboard Maestro, a $35 value. Keyboard Maestro's a fine piece of software but do I really, really want to spend that kind of money just for OCR when, oh, Apple has basic OCR on mobile but not really?
2. Voiceover ground to a halt for the first time ever on my mac, I mean completely crashed on iMessage, couldn't even turn it back on, can't end voiceover.app in activity monitor without, well, voiceover. Couldn't even shut down because hitting enter in the shutdown dialogue doesn't do it, had to force shutdown (fortunately I could freeze my virtual machine first though.) But voiceover may be good, but it has not improved for quite a few mac versions already and I expect more from Apple, especially with Narrator actually improving and improving fast.
That being said, it is perfectly reasonable to expect someone to run a virtual machine on the mac to play their games. While I don't agree with Fusion's constant upgrade cost, you are getting what you pay for at least when you buy it outright, and I guess you don't have to take the upgrade if you don't want to (I still have not upgraded to Mojave, and I refuse to!)
But Mac is a very developer-unfriendly gaming platform, oh by the way, Roag-amoeba has talked about the intense strain put on them by Apple since they're discontinuing 32bit support in the next mac os release. So you have the constant contract cost of being a developer, plus the constant move forward or get trampled threats from Apple.

I agree with Jack. Apple could honestly be doing much better with VoiceOver and macOS generally. The fact that the entire system has been neglected for years speaks volumes to Apple's lack of interest. They're more concerned with their Apple Music subscription, Iphone sales, Apple Watch sales, and iPad sales.

MacOS is a great system with lots of advantages, but if they're not concerned with making it as great as it could be, I don't care anymore. The days of VoiceOver becoming a great screen reader appear to be gone. They haven't fixed longstanding issues in years, and they don't seem interested in VoiceOver or macOS innovation anymore. My next computer will not be a Mac, and this MacBook Air may soon run Windows 10 exclusively.

You don't necessarily have to sign your macOS apps or put them in the App Store. The Mac App Store is a piece of crap due to Apple's restrictions and no one really uses it. Honestly, if you're going to develop for Apple platforms, develop for iOS. As much as I don't want to admit it, iOS is the future as far as the new Apple under Tim Cook is concerned. The less I say about Cook, the better, but suffice it to say that he took a really great company and royally fucked it up.

Is the $20 per year Microsoft fee for the Windows Store? If so, I haven't noticed much adoption on that front. Just like the Mac App Store, the Windows Store is full of crap! No one uses it when just like on macOS, you can install traditional software from the developer's website. Sideloading third party applications on Android is also possible, so there are three platforms that don't rely on a central repository for obtaining software. This also means that developers get full compensation if they decide to sell content. If their apps were put into any of these stores, the respective owner of the store would take a cut from each sale. I know Apple does this, and I'm almost positive Microsoft and Google do as well.

I'm finding this discussion interesting myself.
I heavily considered getting a mac in 2015, since at the time I didn't like the look of windows 10 but manifestly could no longer go on using XP which I'd used for far longer than I should've done by that point.

The chief reason I didn't in the end was basically that other than compatibility with my Iphone, I couldn't really see the advantage in a mac.

I tried one out, and the Vo commands looked a bit complex, which admitedly I could've gotten used to, and the ways the operating system worked weren't obviously what I was familiar with, but again I could've got used to it, but ultimately my thought was "why?! should I?

If I was going to be emulating Windows to play a huge baclog of audiogames, well why not use Windows anyway? And it wasn't as if I was a huge fan of  things like Itunes anyway.

My basis for spending time and trouble on any technology has always been "What does it do!"

Not some nebulous set of Superlatives.
It doesn't matter if you tell me that computer x has  seventy thousand  hoojamaflops of giga maxity, or an all new squiggly wiggly processor, or that its more secure or more faster or more huggable.

My question is always going to be "So what does it do!"

Thus, the only time I considered Windows 10 worth while was when I started to run into stuff I couldn't do on Xp, the only time I bought an Iphone was when I heard about games and useful aps on it etc.

This has always been my issue with a Mac. Where are the games and interesting applications and things to do that you can't do on Windows anyway?

I don't mean to come across as a Mac hater, I am certainly not a microsoft or Ios fan boy, or a fan boy for any software company really, I'd just be interested to know, given this discussion and the fact that even regular mac users like Slj are using Windows to play games what the practical advantage of a mac is, especially given that Macs are generlly more expensive than Windows pcs.

If it was all that simple. First, NVDA uses built in OCR in Windows 10, so there you have it. Same goes for narrator. Second, developing in python does not mean you do not need to pay to get your app signed. Third, making an alternative screen reader just isn't possible, because Apple.

The thing is, you want to have all your ducks in a row if you're running a business. If you're developing free games, I guess it doesn't matter. I'm not really up on mac, I've used it in a VM, but don't know a lot about it. But I think you still need that developer account to sign your apps. Even if you don't, if there's a work around, again, for free games, that's fine, people will be happy to mess with stuff to get a free product working. You really can't be doing that if you run a business though, not if you want a good reputation, and repeat customers when you put out a second, third and fourth product. You want the experience to be as easy as you can make it, and that means having your app signed. Even at that point, you can still distribute it, even outside the app store. That last, is the crowning achievement. So, my question is, if someone is developing a free game, why should it be incumbent on them to pay the developer fees and get literally nothing in return. What they could do, and I think if this happened, there would be a huge backlash over it, but they could put ads in the app like there are ads in many mainstream apps. So the issue is more complex than just porting a game over.

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see
https://www.chrishofstader.com/the-fogg … r-issue-2/
for why microsoft didn't build their own screen reader, tldr: basically everyone else, nfb, afb, gwmicro told them that it was best to leave it up to third parties.