2018-04-10 11:43:17

OK, when he aquired the code of Ultra techno something, nothing more.

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2018-04-10 11:56:20

People don't seem to get that this game cannot be called a clone and it is called so just to get it in an even worse position. A clone is an exact copy of something, and only people who did not spend time playing this game will actually tell you this is a clone. The only matter of why this topic might be closed is the code on which this game is based, or the drama that arised behind this.

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2018-04-10 16:47:37

@sito, Ivan and Colton actually added quite a lot to BTB. Mines, teleporters, the wand, quite a few more weapons. And since it’s clear DM’s using BTB code, yes a fair bit of it is ivan’s code.,

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2018-04-10 18:10:55

And yet, it seems, initial versions of Btb were also built upon Ultrapower, so, where do you think that both of these stand? Both are building on each other's code if this is really the case.
As it stands I do not honestly know what to do, with any of it. As a mod this drama is just ridiculous. It's so wide reaching because, unlike, say, cosmos, this is an actual audiogame, something this very site is built upon.
@Ivan I know you are trying to help, and I very much appreciate it. But why even bother clearing the server, possibly slightly sabotaging the game in the process, clone or not? Couldn't there be slightly less aggressive ways of gaining proof? What makes this whole thing so ridiculous is, in both cases, we are talking about initially leaked code to begin with, for both games!

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2018-04-10 22:57:48

@Arron.
Yes, BTB was indeed made from ultrapower code, however the point i’m trying to make is, ivan and Colton changed way more than just sounds. He added mines, teleporters, stars, the beginnings of a robot class, the titlecheck thing which was never used  still, he sort of tryed and failed to add timebombs, a proper jailing system, i’m looking through the BTB code as I say all this. Point is, those things never hit up. So yes, quite a bit of BTB, was actually Ivan’s code, and since Ivan never gave the DM devs per mition to use that code, this game shouldn’t be allowed here.

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2018-04-11 00:24:34

You guys make this even more confusing for mods. Is the problem now UP or BTB? If BTB, I honestly could not care less despite what he added in the code afterwards. Desafio has additional things too and they are not just sounds so please do play the game at least before commenting.

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2018-04-11 02:27:24

Well mister smart ass, you said it yourself, you’ve never played up or BTB. I have played DM, thank you very much. And from what i’ve seen, the only real difference is maps, along with a few other miner features like clocks, the hole first / hunger thing, and a few new weapons and items.
Sure, it has more than BTB ever had. I’m not denighing that. My point here, is that it’s using code from both up and btb, which is inexcusable, no matter how you look at it. but hey, it’s fun, and it can’t be a clone because it has features x, y, and z, so who gives a fuck about the origin of the code. I’m having fun, that’s all that matters.
It’s this kind of selfish atatude that will deter devs from actually making games themselves. They’ll look at topic’s like this and think hey, these guys are getting away with it, i’ll just grab the up or BTB source, add a few features, change sounds, and boom. Check out this brand new game.
You want a game with realism? Go play stw. It’s a lot more legal, and while the dev’s maturity is questionable, he bearly ever plays, and the admins are quite nice and helpful, so it’s managed quite well for the most part.

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2018-04-11 03:15:52

not an admin, but some people have started to insult, and call others names. maybe it's just me. so how did you guys try out these commands without being an admin? I should give the thing another go, but when I played with it a few weeks back, I gathered in less than an hour, that it's still a clone. it's built on top of ultra power, or  BTB, I don't have enough coding knowledge to be sure. I actually left it for other reasons, but it seems as if it's time to dive into it again.

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2018-04-11 03:28:23

So this is what you said, nidza07.
If BTB, I honestly could not care less despite what he added.
So what you're saying is, well who cares if the developers work their asses off, as long as its not X developer, doesn't matter if the code is leaked, stolen, cloned.
@Aaron, so you made your point, you are dealing with 2 different games. Are you saying that since it is off BTB it doesn't matter because its based of UP? Well in that case, that shows the favoritism in your little administration team. So from what I understand, if I go steal STW's code or any other game, I can add to it, change so much and it'll all be good? If so, I feel so sorry for any developer who works hard on games, including myself. I honestly don't see why you keep saying its complicated, its just simple. Dm, your favorite audio game, is a clone. So? So since its your favorite game, you just do anyhting about it. Hel, it could be selling child porn, and you would say that maybe, just maybe...the developer doesn't know what that is?

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2018-04-11 04:12:28

@braille, it’s a pretty huge security flaw that enables normal players to use some admin commands. They fucked it up good.

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2018-04-11 04:27:17

lol the only one that i seen do those admins commands is ivan, and thats because he is an admin... a few days he was don't know about now.
ahah but really I have no idea what desafio team was thinking to make ivan an admin. thats something to laugh at.

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2018-04-11 04:30:24

I’m not an admin, and I tryed it myself and it worked. So don’t give me that bullshit.

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2018-04-11 04:37:09

lol are you okay there mate? think i touch a nerve somewhere.
maybe we should get on and try some admin commands on me lol.

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2018-04-11 04:41:57

Lmao, onnistly i’m just tired of all the ultrapower clone bullshit. Actually I’m just tired in general. Meh fuck my life.

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2018-04-11 05:31:52 (edited by HummingBirdGuy 2018-04-11 05:57:08)

Hi,

So, I have an user account named Exink in the Desafio Mortal game where I work there as an instructor. We are people who help the others in smaller things, kind of minor things than what an admin can do.

The point is, I'm giving this message in the name of Desafio Mortal's team:

Our only mistake was not to have given credits to BTB creators', which was posted in a BTCync folder.
If I remember well, there was at some time a post where utilizing the game was allowed. If that's not true, my apologies.
Ivan was a coward by getting in touch with us saying that he wanted to help the team and then doing what he did. .
He allowed us to use the msound class from him, and I bet that if something happens  he'll say that's not true.
Also, all the code was modified because it was a crap. The connection mode and all inside it .
Just because I make a map and I type string[] parsed;
does it mean I'm using btb? ¿Or since I wryte platform, or zone?
Whatever, , I think you're afraid that Desafio Mortal may be popular (what is actually happenning), than all online games during a long time. .
I will not reply something else here.
If the game is more annoying than useful for the blind comunity, please, don't hesitate to remove it completely from the forum.

Regards,

Desafio Mortal's team.

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2018-04-11 05:51:38

lol is this serious?
I think desafio is a big game on the other blind comunities like the spanish and the portuguese, instead of waving away a forum like audio games the desafio team should have try to bring it back to the forums... give proves that its a different code etc. but i guess we won't see that.

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2018-04-11 10:40:32

Hello everyone,
I think that the developer is trying to remove this game from this forum because he had enough of the shit which people are doing with his game and server. I have played other games with the server functionality and they often use same commands to do the things. This is not enough to prove that this application is a clone or what so ever. I hadn't played BTB or UP so I can't comment on them, but let it continue for us, for blinds. If a quite good proof happens to come, then please share with us. But remember to not use your abusive language because it is not going to help you. Well, I hope that this game will be playable after you delt with it. Hope for good.

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2018-04-11 11:18:40

Wow, these people start to insult like you stole their lives and not their code which I will repeat 50 times, it is not stolen, you gave it away yourself because you did not protect it, end of story. Why don't we have STW clones if stealing the code is so easy and any dev can just do it? Why don't other games get cloned like that? And to compare with your STW example Ivan, that simply wont happen just because of one reason. STW code is not based on something else like BTB. Imagine this situation. X game gets released. X game is based on STW and it is clearly a clone and gets removed from the forum. Y game gets released being based on both x's game code and stw code. The developer complains that x's game code is stolen and does not want it. Does that make sense? No it does not. If all code was indeed yours and you actually did spend your time fully coding BTB and it had no code from other people, then sure you have all rights to complain. But for now, you might as well do some research since you said desafio was Aaron's favorite game and he clearly said in previous posts he could not run it. Favorite games which you cannot even run are very good. My favorite one from now is Garret's life simulator.

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2018-04-11 11:26:39 (edited by pranam 2018-04-11 11:27:47)

well, quite a reply. A thumsup for you.

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2018-04-11 14:17:59

What you guys have to understand is that when you mess witht he server, you are ruining things for a lot of other people. Despit this huge drama here, ths game is very popular in Brasil and Spain, no matter what you guys think.

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2018-04-11 14:23:45

why do people like you ivan even keep fanning the shitstorm around this game? You do realize that there are a great number of games you could play, or as a matter of fact code, in all the time you spend trying to downtalk dm. To me, it looks like you're just sad that people actually like the game after rebuking btb, and now you're jealous and want it gone. Well too bad, I'm pretty sure its here to stay. AS people have said, if mason didn't want up to be leaked, if you didn't want btb to be leaked, well guess what? You could have prevented it. You could have actually thought about who you gave the code to, refused to give it to people you knew would share it around even if they were your friends, but you didn't. Now, at least partially, this mess is on your hands. Since you don't care about btb anymore, you might as well let it go. Dm also can't really surve as a bad example, the simple reason for this being that firstly the ultrapower source to my knowledge isn't freely available, you have to find someone who will share it with you. Second, no, people can't just keep taking ultrapower, adding some items and call it a new game. Do you know why? Because people will get tired of side scroling shooters, as I am, and just won't play those games taken from the ultrapower code. Dm is a one-time thing, and the reason it works so well is because they keep working on it and changing it from the mess of a game it used to be. Stw's code will probably never get leaked in the way ultrapower code was, because from what I know sam is a lot more careful about things like this than mason and doesn't hand his code off to any and all of his friends he sees fit to give it to. Now, if you don't like dm, fine, you don't have to like it, but for the love of beer, leave those who do want to play it in peace. Its not like they will force you to play it, so why do you have to be the typical internet troll and try to take it from them? Oh actually, don't answer that. This might sound harsh, but in fact, you've always been like that. Through the years I've seen you on the forum and in this community you've done nothing but hack things, crash servers, and cause drama. I'm sorry to say this but, the apoligies you've made in the past won't suffice. Actions speak louder than words and if you want to show how mature you actually are you could just let the matter drop.

I used to be a knee like you, then I took an adventurer in the arrow.

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2018-04-11 15:12:59

Moderation!

Okay this hole business is getting waaaaaay beyond a joke.

The ultrapower situation began because Mason had code stolen and asked the mods to help with issues of clones. The problem is since then there have been so many possible clones, possibly not clones, modifications and other permutations that the situation has got waaaaaay beyond anyone's ability to prove or to follow.
Right now the only person I would believe proof from about any of this is Mason himself since he was the one  who stated code was stolen in the first place.

And no, ability to crash a server is not proof that code has been stolen, it is proof that the person crashing the server is a vandal.

I am not going to try and go through back logs of code or lots of clones of beyond the bullit or god knows what determine who does what, much less try and sorted the convoluted and frankly childish mess this topic has become, which is probably good for a lot of people here since otherwise I would be handing out warnings, bans or worse since my god! this situation has got offensive.

In the end we need to make a decision about this. We are not copyright lawyers or high priced cyber investigators, we are people who like games  try to actually make this community a decent place (something which I confess many people in this topic are making severely difficult!).

In the end we have to decide what is good for the community and in the end we have people developing an audiogame! which, (unlike apparently many of these abortive ultrapower clone projects, is still being worked on and added to, and stil being played and enjoyed by many people.

So, this topic will be closed! because frankly the situation has got insane!

if however the developers of desafio mortal wish to start a new topic in new releases to discuss the game legitimately that would be fair enough. If such a new topic is started, then any accusations of cloned code or personal insults will not be tolerated and those making such accusations will receive warnings or worse.

The only exception to this rule is Mason, since as originator of the code and the one who actually asked that stolen code be changed he is the only person at this point  legitimately could provide proof that any game has used said code, in which case a private discussion will be had with the developers of desafio mortal, and Mason.

So failing word from Mason, accusations of stolen code please stop here! as in fact does this topic!
I apologize if this seems high handed, but frankly this hole situation is ridiculous and is causing waaaaay more tocxic crap than its worth, and I think we need an end of it.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)