2017-11-06 15:02:18

You cannot escape from back breakers even with a nak nk1000 desimator. When you are stunned, you are stunned. No matter what kind of weapon you are wielding.

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2017-11-06 15:17:06

I have to agree with connar on this one. Sandbags are quite good for protecting the base, and latters even more help that, only one problem is that they can be easily destroyed, and they musst be bought from the store. And, yeah, If someone buys a milion shield boosters they will get an undefeatable base witch only someone who has the access to the server to destroy it.

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2017-11-16 20:01:53

So I think the player should start with 10 shielded shots, it might help a little to not be always attacked, and is fair for everyone

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2017-11-16 20:11:53

The starting shield was all reddy suggested and got rejected mainly because then players would simply ask for more starting items

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2017-11-24 17:02:55

Fatal issues in RedSpot. Yesterday I had 2 very wierd incidants with RedSpot. First I found a strange shipment with more than 29 million Small Projectiles, which must be due to some strange cheating of a kind. But worse is it that there is a programming flaw in Redspot, so you now can get killed, when you're AFK. These two things really need to be fixed for this game to be treated as a serious game, And not just a silly joke for smaller kids..

2017-11-24 17:05:38

Combos are even worse then newbees in the Store. smile. I have been killed an unnumbered lot of times by these and lack often is the course for this.

2017-11-24 18:18:41

Yeah, fuck combos to hell.

2017-11-25 18:40:15

hi guys,      first, what's this error?

A runtime error occurred.
File: C:\Users\SamTupy\projects\redspot\Current\includes\lav3d\sound3d.bgt
On line: 229
In function: bool sound3d::load(string)
Description: Standard library exception (bad allocation)

i cant even login! because of some cheaters created 500 bases in the game and it cant load the game


guys, if you see some one from fck team,    just run,  dont let them catch you they are cheaters, yesterday we raided their base and got 40 mil shields, 40 mil antibiotics, 40 mil grenades, 40 mil stored quads, and   150k   bitcoins, oh and 3k nak nk 1000's we put them on our base storage, but they took em back by destroying our base, we  again raided their other base, and here's the list of items


please if any admin see someone from fck team stop them from cheating

weapon_spiked_bat: 554
weapon_nunchaku: 650
ammo_12.7mm_bullet: 10414
weapon_saiga_12_5_round_shotgun: 101
satellite_bomb_remote: 1079
lockpick: 125
hand_grenade: 61490
shield: 45772
weapon_large_iron_club: 553
weapon_m79_grenade_launcher: 177
antibiotic: 3891
ammo_stp12_bullet_pack: 1096
weapon_mp5_machine_pistol: 370
poison_drink: 23008
empty_gas_can: 2047
medal_pack: 50521
bike: 2208
small_projectile: 15528
sandbag: 21676
weapon_m134_minigun: 4
base_generator_booster: 1650
weapon_colt_python_revolver: 373
weapon_sky_286_laser_pistol: 4
ammo_12_gauge_shotgun_shell: 13219
weapon_mlk_207_combat_rifle: 178
empty_health_pod: 10153
stored_quad: 44667ammo_7.62mm_bullet_pack: 2402
bitcoin: 153765
weapon_browning_m2_heavy_50_cal_machinegun: 4
suicide_bomb: 1038
antibiotic_canister: 1
parachute: 317
food_cooler: 1399
weapon_saiga_12_20_round_shotgun: 101

ammo_40mm_grenade: 817
empty_pack: 4017

satellite_bomb_1234: 1
weapon_t1_rocket_launcher: 180
battery_pack: 233
ammo_cyanide: 10852
weapon_spiked_chain_mace: 1
weapon_hammer: 278
ammo_cyanide_pack: 981
base_fridge_coolant: 523
cyanide_canister: 1082
ammo_5.56mm_bullet_pack: 2584
Oops! Thelon just lost there link!
ladder: 1253

weapon_small_dagger: 286

Alert, yardmyapnbura has just regained there link!
weapon_cyanide_pistol: 287
propulsion_jet_gas: 3252
ammo_9mm_bullet: 125366
tool_box: 28
weapon_saiga_12_10_round_shotgun: 122

timebomb_4: 1

weapon_cannon:
dynamite: 46
weapon_throwing_knives: 334
timebomb_1: 2
weapon_str_32_pump_action_shotgun: 385
satellite_bomb_3009: 1
ammo_12_gauge_shotgun_shell_pack: 2056
wood: 1925
weapon_nak_nk1000_decimater: 2133
satellite_bomb_3333: 1
throwing_star_volley: 1112
sm2_missile_set: 515
tasing_poisoned_small_projectile: 673
dynamite_detonater: 43
ammo_arrow_pack: 510
poison_dart: 1062
match_pack: 4
item_carying_projectile: 732
weapon_mlk_203_combat_pistol: 325
satellite_bomb_4951: 1
weapon_m4a1_assault_rifle: 165
weapon_beretta_nano_pocket_pistol: 341
timebomb: 166
ammo_gas_pack: 1113
teargas_canister: 705
weapon_sig_p226_combat_pistol: 102
stp429_mini_missile: 1104
weapon_glock_17_pistol: 358
ammo_9mm_bullet_pack: 2556
weapon_knife: 225
barricade_bomb: 5821
weapon_stp_s84q_automatic_suppressed_pistol: 102
base_owner_hack_flashdrive: 2122
ammo_stp12_bullet: 266
spring_coil_pack: 301
ammo_12.7mm_bullet_pack: 5240
corpse_bomb: 637
weapon_m1208_shotgun: 355
cold_food: 3525
antibiotic_dart: 162
weapon_long_sword: 137
ammo_m1_rocket_pack: 1019
satellite_bomb_2323: 2
gas_mask: 275
weapon_beretta_m9_pistol: 356
weapon_broken_rifle: 123

spring_coil: 2037
food: 26001
stat_pingger: 1560
poisoned_small_projectile: 1010
tasing_small_projectile: 1895
weapon_browning_high_power_BDA_handgun: 338
mass_bomb: 3058
mine: 2034
weapon_modern_sub_machine_gun_carbine: 116
weapon_saiga_12_30_round_shotgun: 113
timebomb_3: 1
water: 5746
weapon_crossbow: 343
ammo_throwing_knife: 10201
ammo_.357_magnum_bullet: 20871
base_lock_booster: 3705
throwing_star: 83812
bullet_bomb_locater: 91
health_mover: 171
health_pod: 325
sky_436_mine: 9070
fire_ball_box: 992
weapon_ruger_security_6_revolver: 370
claymore_remote: 83
poison_drink_pack: 2
weapon_barrett_m82_sniper_rifle: 540
concussive_grenade: 1266
bullet_bomb: 389
ammo_7.62mm_bullet: 26334
ammo_m1_rocket: 10139
satellite_bomb_1111: 1
ammo_.357_magnum_bullet_pack: 2001
ammo_cannon_ball: 2162
weapon_brass_knuckles: 28
stored_health: 1637
claymore: 1150
weapon_beretta_m1951_machine_pistol: 355
weapon_stp21_handgun: 131
ammo_5.56mm_bullet: 78293
weapon_taser: 176
weapon_ak47_assault_rifle: 178
fire_bomb: 1006
sticky_bomb: 1079
weapon_sky_28_laser: 410
weapon_str_301_long_barreled_machine_pistol: 102
spy_camera: 702
fire_ball: 1112
programmable_timebomb: 623
weapon_sky_386_laser_assault_rifle: 8
ammo_gas: 86441
weapon_cop_357_derringer_pistol: 192
satellite_bomb: 286
oxygen_canister: 358
bomb_defuser: 1230
satellite_bomb_1212: 12
ammo_battery: 21440
weapon_iron_shovel: 139
weapon_colt_ar_15_assault_rifle: 169
antibiotic_pack: 2
weapon_walther_p99_handgun: 402
weapon_sky_429_laser_shotgun: 9
weapon_sky_429_laser_shotgun: 9
stun_grenade: 701
weapon_small_iron_club: 240
air_tank: 768
candy: 310
base_machinegun_ammo_drum: 2990
item_grabber: 3265
medal: 925
motion_bomb: 161
tools: 35
paintball_pack: 116
wood_pack: 884
weapon_s&w_model66_revolver: 364
base_fridge_coolant_extractor: 302
ammo_40mm_grenade_pack: 651
paintball: 4064
spring_boots: 196
gas_can: 1408
invisibility_shield: 2220
pipe_bomb: 1101
match: 1684
bottle_bomb: 1124
weapon_blz83_portable_machine_gun: 102
weapon_m24_sniper_rifle: 168spy_camera_controller: 679
weapon_tree_branch: 474
weapon_flameburst_mini_flame_thrower: 340
weapon_m16_assault_rifle: 349
dynamite_set: 1109
weapon_studded_boots: 285
weapon_sky_127_laser_handgun: 6
ammo_battery_pack: 1119
propulsion_jet: 208

2017-11-25 18:42:00

oh forgot to say this, members of the team, all are turks

2017-11-25 18:53:46

ok so i enabled the 3d sound system, i logged in, game crashed again i deleted lav.dll, i logged in, i can walk, play, but i cant here sounds  no one else can  can someone   tell me how to fix this? is it because of there are 354 total bases, and 354 active bases.

or not

2017-11-25 18:57:49

try disabling the hrtf, it might work then.

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2017-11-25 19:07:56

what's hrtf? no one can login to game it cant load the map

2017-11-25 19:42:34 (edited by BigGun 2017-11-25 19:43:55)

hrtf is the same as 3d sound system. I don't think that it's because of the bases, though I am not shure. Also, you shouldn't have deleted lav.dll. About that runtime error, it was most likely taking to mutch space or something, probably menny items or bases on the map at the time.
edit: Before that store bug doesn't get fixed, good by to this game. Seriously.

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2017-11-25 20:04:23

sam says he fixed and he destroyed all bases and my problem got fixed

2017-11-27 05:06:35 (edited by Jod 2017-11-27 05:09:18)

WTF! this game has a stupid   dev!
now, devs and admins force players out of afk without reason!
i was sleeping, so i typed /afk, i came back,  saw it said someone killed me, and the last message was alireza is back! you know what's  old than the last message? masonian just came online 
guys, please, if you want to get items, do it by playing, not by forcing someone out of afk and telling another player to kill him

2017-11-27 08:50:05

Dude, I don't think the AFK feature is ment to be used when people are sleeping... It is ment to be used when you are away from the keyboard for a few minutes...

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2017-11-27 09:47:43

well, if it's ment to be used when you are away from keyboard for minutes, why do admins use it too?  and why do they force you  out of afk whenever they want?

2017-11-27 10:17:48

I had an orgasmic vision in the shower today how to deal with cheaters with very little admin intervention. Anyone want me to expand on the idea?

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2017-11-27 11:45:54

wait, now you mark me as a  cheater? you mean sleeping is a cheat? yeah,   from now i will not sleep, because    master of cheaters, know's sleeping as a cheat

2017-11-27 12:39:57

lmfao what the fuck? Are you that narcicistic to think I was addressing you? Or maybe you act so defensively about it that it actually means you're a cheater. I don't really care though - I don't even play. I just had a few ideas in mind on how to make a cheater-free game.

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2017-11-27 12:41:24

@Lordlundin, please do expand on this. Lol.

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2017-11-27 14:01:34

Let's develop a game without cheaters - or rather a game where the cheaters aren't a problem.

I personally think we've been looking at cheating preventions in the wrong light. For me, it's never been about banning the offending user, but rather to put them in their own safe environment removed from the rest of us.

For this, I'm going to take a game like Redspot as an example. Not actually Redspot, but a game in a similar fassion.

Step 1: detecting the cheaters and others who would seak to disrupt gameplay.

This can only be done by carefully observing players in the beginning and look at server statistics. We can write speedhack detections, and I saw a game once used double values to varify. Basically, as soon as you modified one value it would compare it to it's counterpart and if they didn't match it would know it was modified by an outside source and would adjust itself back to match the original using the second counterpart. For example var hp1=20 var hp2=20 and if at any cycle of the loop the first or second variable were changed it would just correct to match the other counterpart. So if hp1 was changed to 15, hp2 would still be 20 and in the next cycle of the game loop the  game would see this and set hp1==hp2.
We can also write sanity checks of every proportion; anti-spam code for the chat, etc, etc.

Step 2: flagging the cheater

This is the same issue where a lot of games that use the simple banning system also has the same problem. I have a more advanced idea in mind but let's save it for later.
You can retrieve computer ID, location, you can have the game place hidden information in the registry, hidden under some obscure name like telecom driver rutines to fool people who seak to modify the registry values.
Once you can varify from the client itself that the user is in fact cheating, the fun begins.

Step 3: we don't want to punish the innocent now do we

If someone is clearly cheating, enough alarms will come up for the server ... let's say
Speedhack detected 5 seconds after login, then 10 minutes later, then the game detects chat spam 30 minutes into the gameplay.
This user is most likely not looking to disrupt the fun for others and is most likely a victim of false positives. Reset and move on to monitoring.
Now, consider the second example.
User logs in, speedhack detected continuously for the first 2 minutes of gameplay. Sanity check shows the user moved 300 tiles in 2 seconds. User is standing inside a wall.
Repeated spam over chat channel, disconnecting and connecting repeatedly.
Both cases are clearly malicious.
User is flagged secretly as cheater.

Here is where we can divert and either choose some extreme methods of trolling right away or punish the user lightly based on what the user did.

Step 4: taking action

Consider a couple of the following examples.

User has been flagged for spamming and logging on and off.
Throw the user onto a dummy chat channel with stupid AI.
Spam the user with private communications from AI. Tell the rest of the server that they can spam the user.
Disable all possible ways of retaliation by disabling all forms of communications, already done so by moving the user to a different channel but also disable his or her private means of communication.
If the user logs off the user will be rejected to join the server for a set amount of time.

User has received exessive speedhack detections.
Meh for this one, as it takes up server resources. Just put the user on a map with others with the same flag, while slowing down the clock to compensate client side.
For example if the client normally allows one to fire a certain weapon with a 150 ms interval, then after the speedhack the same check applies but it's with a 500 ms interval instead.

User changes values like shields, hp and other things.
Enter a mode where the users values are randomly switched around over time, usually in a negative way.
Randomly teleport the user around the map.

The idea is to give back what the inconvenient player is trying to give others. Instead of out right banning him or her the aim is to humiliate the cheater and associate his or her actions with something negative and unpleasant.


Step 5: moderator roles

Do I even have to tell you to get trustworthy admins? Admin duty isn't a luxury, it's a responsibility. No one should ever want to be an admin, and if anyone feels that the game needs admins it's quite sad.

After picking well-recognized, trusted faces to represent most parts of the publics, and to cover any possible time, time to implement your admin staff.

The admin staff will never have the power to ban someone directly.

They can however lift the various cheater flags due to a restricted command flagged users will get access to to send in appeals to the administration and explain their situation, and if the two parties can reach an understanding and the situation be explained, the admin can return the user to normal.

For most situations this shouldn't be a problem. The cheater flag will only be around for a couple of hours anyway, enough to where the situation can defuse and heads can calm down. It's not a permanent means of locking someone out. If they want to come back a couple of hours later and be assholes, they will undoubtedly suffer the same consequences over and over and over again.

Admins can at most put suspicious flags on people which tells the server to be a little more strict on said player and check more consistantly for eregularities.

The admins main function is to serve as a trusted face between the developer and community, and to help out players, particularly new to the game, as well as acclimate everyone into a pleasant social environment fitting to the situation.

Step 7: concl ... you know what, fuck this

I could edit this at a later state and put it in the articles room depending on what people think. Enjoy my typos. big_smile

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2017-11-27 15:12:44

if devs dont tell players who are admins, there will be no cheater you see,  people cheat when they see no admin is online   but if they dont know who is admin, they will cheat, and    invisible admin will ban  the cheater

2017-11-27 15:15:33

I guess you didn't read my post tongue

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2017-11-27 17:25:13

AlirezaNosrati wrote:

well, if it's ment to be used when you are away from keyboard for minutes, why do admins use it too?  and why do they force you  out of afk whenever they want?

That's up to Sam, or the admins to answer...

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