2020-06-30 18:29:08

here would be my ideal setup for a full team of Artisoul.

1: Physical Sweeper (Irod Pendant, Chrono Core)
Moves: Hone Blade, Earthquake, Blaze Rampage, Spirit Force/Clobber, Crystal Slash/Black Ice/Nature Dance/Sparking Tail
Train points: attack and speed
Purpose: physical sweeping; huge coverage, and Hone Blade gives it plenty of clout

2. Speedy Sweeper (Angel Pendant, Ambush Guard)
Moves: Rev Up, Protect, Stone Spin, Swift Slam, Blaze Punch
Train points: speed, followed by a bit of attack, followed by defenses and HP
Purpose: Rev Up gives passive speed boosts every round, which will boost Stone Spin and Swift Slam to ridiculous heights eventually; Blaze Punch for the steel types who don't care about either of those moves; the only manamon in the game that will easily survive this set is Pandourbit, though Craggalem may be troublesome as well

3. Special Sweeper (Chrono Core, whatever the magical equivalent of Irod Pendant is, I misremember at present)
Moves: Hone Mind, Sonic Force, Flood/Poison Pressure, Shadow Sphere/Beyond Bolt/Mighty Shuriken, Superspark/Freeze Ray/Plague
Train points: special attack, speed
Purpose: covers a bunch of types, but don't get redundant; if you have Spirit Force on the physical Artisoul, don't put Beyond Bolt on the special one. There are even more options than I've listed here, but these are attacks that you really want on your team.

4. Annoyer (angel pendant)
Moves: Pollution Solution, Protect, Powerfang, Subliminal Radio Wave/Magic Lights, Horrify/Sturdy Stone/Stonewall
Train points: HP and defenses
Purpose: to annoy the ever-loving snot out of everything that isn't a boss. Confusion is here because it's very rare to come across a manamon that isn't vulnerable to it. Some manamon (especially ghosts) will not be harmed by Powerfang, and some manamon will be immune to poison, but to my knowledge, nothing is straight-up immune to confusion, poison and Powerfang all at once. If this thing can't take down its current target, just switch. Your last move depends on what you want to do. Horrify will lead to even more difficulty in hitting you, and will help you stay alive. Sturdy Stone is situational, but pairs well with Confusion. Stonewall sets a trap, never misses, and will ensure that your foe can't get away; less useful in tamer battles because tamers don't switch.

5. Boss Killer (Re-arm Band)
Moves: Final Thunder, Contained Quake, Stun Volt, Subliminal Radio Wave, Condemn
Train points: split three ways between attack, special attack and speed
Purpose: Both of its attacking moves are big nukes which sharply lower its stats. Re-arm Band will let it come back to its normal stats once a move is used a second time. Parafuse (paralysis+confusion) works well on most bosses,a nd in many instances you aren't alone, so pair this with one or both sweepers for best effects. Condemn will soften up a boss if used once, so this will further enable your team to do damage.

6. El Cheapo (Speed Anklet V2.0)
Moves: Ultrascent, Soul Ripper, Zap Slam, Blind Rush, Aerial Caper
Train points: speed first, then HP and some attack
Purpose: You want this thing to be quick, because it may have to spend every other turn using Ultrascent in order to do big damage. Zap Slam and Blind Rush are for when the OHKO won't work, and Aerial Caper will give you even more speed, plus beef up your electric and fighting moves, one of which will cause paralysis and the other of which is big damage and an enormous crit chance (again, only Pandourbit will resist both moves, and he dies to Soul Ripper).

This team is not invincible, but it's the best I could scratch out in fifteen minutes or so. You could make a screen-setter, a tank, a status avoider with Team Immunity, but I really don't see the point.

Check out my Manamon text walkthrough at the following link:
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2020-06-30 18:37:12

There is no way to stop evolutions by level-up that I'm aware of, which takes a crapton of manamon off the table. I would end up stuck with stuff like Furivia, Friggle, Bearran, Aperishian, Montor, Mutmo, Cowmoono, Dirroink, Oxinik, Luscish, Foefum, Lavalan, Zapistan, Morghoul, Zintrabat, Sheepit, Quartantula, Embird. Problem there? I've played with almost all of these in manamon 2 before, so it would be quite uninteresting. It's a neat idea, mind you.

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2020-06-30 22:14:15

It's crazy that Artisoul has so many moves that it can get, though I will probably learn later why it gets so many moves.

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—Urban Champion

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2020-06-30 22:40:27

Kind of
slight
spoilers

This is related to only Artisoul.

Artisoul's ability basically allows it to learn any move, with the right conditions. It can cost quite a lot of gold, but it's extremely flexible. The only problem is that Artisoul will mimic the type of whatever first approaches it, so an all-Artisoul run is going to play merry hell with your STAB moves. You'll be shifting in and out of resistances and weaknesses; an all-Artisoul playthrough would be absolutely wild. If I did it, I'd probably ignore my so-called "El cheapo" because frankly that's a really, really easy way to win, and would take all the fun out.

Check out my Manamon text walkthrough at the following link:
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2020-07-01 00:44:49

Oh, so basically Smeargle. That's neat.

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—Urban Champion

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2020-07-01 01:04:46

Smeargle is basically an artist, which uses the move Sketch to permanently copy whatever move was used on it previously. Artisoul's mechanics are slightly different, but it amounts to damn near the same thing. I also find it funny that Smeargle is an artist, and Artisoul is...an artist, and they both learn almost every move, and they're both standard (normal) types by default. I think that and Mutmo bug me the most, because they're pound-for-pound pokemon rips. Mutmo's evolutions are fairly unique, at least - different types than Eevee, except Flareon/Blaizond - but the concept is the same. I dunno. I'm just glad that Manamon 2's layout and design were considerably different than the original, and lowered the sheer amount of borrowing that was going on previously. I think I'd have even more respect for these games if they didn't yank so shamelessly from their primary source material sometimes, and if they did a better job of presenting a balanced battle experience that people would actually want to engage in outside of the main story.

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2020-07-01 02:34:35

Hell aren't the hyper forms cribbed from something in Pokemon? And, unrelated, but, I've put a chrono core on Mightauras. Does Sylphantom need one too? I fail when it comes to equipment. Sometimes it's obvious, but with something like Sylphantom, do I use something to raise ghost damage? How about insect damage? Would I do better to use one of the insect only items to dial back a weakness? Hell maybe I should have chrono cores on everything. I could do that. It would take a while but I think I could find enough from among my saved games. Heh.

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2020-07-01 03:01:48

Not really, no. Pokémon have Max Raid Battles now, but Hyper forms came before it.
I guess you could say it came from Mega-Evolutions, but I don't think that would be correct.

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—Urban Champion

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2020-07-01 05:31:54

Nah, hyper forms are fairly unique. Pokémon generally don't have such things. In the seventh generation of pokemon, you had totem battles, where one pokemon would, say, begin the battle with boosted stats, and you might face it in a two-on-one or three-on-one format. Totem pokemon can also call for backup, and usually the backup pokemon would use moves to help them out. For instance, a water type might call for something to use Rain Dance to power up its water moves, a grass type might call for something to use Sunny Day, that sort of thing. The bosses in manamon 2, in particular, were definitely more complicated than this. I'm not necessarily saying they were harder though, since most of the bosses in manamon 2 are not that difficult.

Angel Pendant on Sylphantom is pretty decent, since its HP is fairly good and it occasionally dodges attacks. That, and if you use parafuse as a strategy, you increase your chance of not getting smoked by stuff, and being able to heal more.

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2020-07-01 06:26:46

Does the Irod pendant work as a held item in Manamon 1? I never realized you could hold those and get a boost until now.

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—Urban Champion

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2020-07-01 06:29:26

No, it doesn't work that way in manamon 1. don't worry. You weren't missing out on anything.

Check out my Manamon text walkthrough at the following link:
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2020-07-01 06:40:31

Okay. I thought I was hampering myself for no apparent reason. Thanks for the answer.

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—Urban Champion

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2020-07-01 14:57:54

Articurse.
Eq: angel pendant.
Tp: speed and hp.
Ms: rehydrate, restoring light, dead man's curse, unending curse/ethernal vortex, obscure/inner healing.
Objective:
First, use both rehydrate and restoring light to recover as much health as possible.
Now, make sure the opponent doesn't switch out using the infinite trapping move.
Now, it's time to use deadman's curse. Finally, assuming both you and your opponent are still alive, you are free to increase your evasiveness or heal yourself.

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2020-07-01 15:25:53

OK, well miracle of miracles I am in the master stadium. I made it passed the steel fight, so I am getting ever closer! The hypergrandland wasn't actually that much of a challenge. Grandland is weak to plant, ice, and water, and I have all three.

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2020-07-01 15:57:53

Nice job finally getting past Ascendance Path. Hopefully you bought plenty of healing items and don't run yourself completely out of use points.

Decided to up the challenge quite a bit this go-round, folks. My team is gonna be all ghosts. If it works, it'll be sort of a clinic in how Victoria should've built her team of ghosts, which I feel is kind of underwhelming right now. If it doesn't - and it might not - then I'll eat crow.
Let's just say that Master Dyaz is going to be an extremely tough challenge.
The team will be Sylphantom, Snowmonno, Banshreek, Ghoperto and Lantlare. Two of the five are bred, and just need to be built up a bit.

Before I restart, I'm going to be giving away my four dragons, each of which has been optimally trained, is around level 65-70 and has a chrono core equipped. It's time for me to start using different gear.

Check out my Manamon text walkthrough at the following link:
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2020-07-01 16:33:32

Even though grinding is a little better in this game, I still feel like there's always at least one member of my team that's just unpleasant to grind in places. Either I have to fight lower level things that give less xp and take much longer to level, or I end up fighting things that are effective against the type I'm using, resist the damage I'm using, or both.

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2020-07-01 16:50:01

That's about par for the course even in pokemon games. Some areas are just heavy in certain types, so bringing in something that doesn't do well against those types and trying to level there is a pain in the ass. It's damn near unavoidable, unless you want to have encounter tables which represent all types equally on all maps, and that just sounds like bleh to me. After all, the flip side is that you're also going to find hot spots where one particular manamon will utterly destroy things in a certain area because nothing there threatens it much. Example: damn near everything in Chinkon Hill and Barren Underground is weak to ghost or undead. Nothing in Soulfier Cave resists water, and plenty of mons are weak to it. Everything in Frozen Hinterland is weak or double-weak to holy, and most is also weak to flame and stone, but quite obviously insect or plant types are probably gonna die horribly. It's just the nature of environments and elemental types. It doesn't bug me much. If I know there's a weak spot coming up for one of my manamon, I either try to compensate beforehand or afterword.

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2020-07-01 17:26:16

Jade, just as a matter of fun, you could write something entertaining on dragons ... let's call this How to Train Your Dragon, Manamon style. When I'm not sure about training I just level, load up with silver tonics and distribute evenly. So far, it's resulted in a Dragomier with about 300 health max and sheet rock defenses, though the others aren't so bad. Bolanteril  is fun to play with ... just send him out and watch your opponents try to destroy a stone wall. That hits back. Very, very hard.

ALso, on the third level of the catacombs, and spent a goodly amount of time down there trying to find a black matter husk. It would be nice to know the method behind the madness that's the catacombs and the swamp. All I can remember at this point is the the entrance to F3 is in a generally southward direction, and I got to F3 in a rather short time. Probably missed a bunch of items, but oh well. Now just three more floors to go--still haven't found my way to F4. Incidentally I have Salvahound with me; I started by levelling but levelling down there while trying to deal with the maze is tiring.

they who reach the top, boy, must first climb the hill

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2020-07-01 17:31:19

Yeah, I might be running out of usage points. I prob should have bought some UP restores, but I just didn't, and it's too late now. I hope I only have a couple more left to fight, but we'll soon see.

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2020-07-01 18:45:18

Worst case, you get to an unwinnable scenario and you have to get a game over, at which point you end up coming back to the main stadium, and can then spend more money on whatever you need. No big deal.

Team is all ready to go, btw. I know, I know, I'm a needy bastard, with all my requirements of team babysitting and such.

Dragomier, BTW, wants primarily attack and speed, with a little HP and maybe some defense thrown in for spice. Most of its best moves are physical. Also, if anyone wants my four dragons with chrono cores, now is your chance to speak up.

Check out my Manamon text walkthrough at the following link:
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2020-07-01 18:50:16

Wish I could, but I'm not near my computer for the next few days.

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—Urban Champion

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2020-07-01 19:08:37

I'd love them if you're offering, the game doesn't exactly have much in the way of a scene... but they'd be fun to check out and max. I could also help with babysitting again.

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2020-07-01 19:09:56

Awesome. I'm opening a room momentarily, calling it transfer, with no caps or punctuation. I know, boring.

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2020-07-01 19:27:26

Sweet, thank you! Just let me know when you want these back, like last time I'll be refreshing every 10 minutes or so.

"I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the knee."
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2020-07-01 19:53:29

I see what someone else was saying about getting hit twice on a turn. This happens when you switch if you're slower than what you're fighting. I have Plumirage out and am about to fight Eshcon. I want to switch to Clubbull so that's how I spend my first turn. Clubbull takes a hit because I switched, and takes another because it's slower than Gubbulline. This doesn't count recoiling since there was none. If I switched in something faster, I would just take one hit before I get to take my turn. One hit I can see. But two? More if you recoil? That doesn't seem right.

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