2011-07-25 11:51:29

Last week i went to stay with a friend of mine. She volunteers at a local charity who do tech support for various disabled people, and asked me to come and demonstrate hal and answer questions.

I did that (hopefully with some success), but in the afternoon I did get to have a play with a laptop running Hal and windows 7.

the good news is, yes, you can create folders in the start menue and favourites just as in xp, which was one of my main worries.

The bad news is, windows explorer is really! irritating.

Instead of normal folders and files, it seemed to have some rather weerd grouped folders system where by different things were in very strange places indeed, and opening one of these grouped things lead to lots of stuff elsewhere which seemed a litle conusing, eg, when trying to find out about program shortcuts, there were groups labled for what each program seemed to do or where it was installed, rather than just one folder for the programs menue with lots of sub folders in it.

I'm wondering if classic shell would fix this though sinse it is supposed to make explorer in windows 7 more like xp.

I am however glad that I dn't have to worry about the context sensative rubbish too much (yee gods! I hate those). .

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2011-07-25 21:50:30

This seems to be the right place to disclose a bit of information that everyone tends to forget and can come in quite handy.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/wind … -shortcuts

Many of these will work in prior versions of windows as well.  The reason I bring this up is that at times we forget which keys are screenreader related and which ones are actually windows shortcut keys.  I hope someone finds this useful.

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2011-07-26 02:01:49

Funny enough nocturnus, I actually use a lot of windows keys, eg, windows key e for explorer.

I just like having program and folder shortcuts in menues, that stay stil and don't wiggle around depending upon random factors.

Call me a control freak but I like things to stay where I put them, though then again, given my memory I'd never remember where things moved to if they did move which is probably the real reason ;d.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2011-07-26 06:19:39

Nothing wrong with that, Dark.  it's possible to acquire massive amounts of files on a single computer, and your preference on how to organize it should totaly be up to you, as you're the one who's going to use it.

I have nearly 2Tb's worth of files, most of them music, some movies, podcast episodes, certain programs I know will never be found again, and the like.  It's almost impossible to tell you where everything is on my drives just because I have so much, and yet, I haven't worked out a way of organizing it all that would help me accomplish this task.

Some ten years after learning how to use a computer, you'd think I'd already have a plan when getting one later on in life as to how to keep it organized, but I guess I'm lazy, or something. smile

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2011-07-26 10:22:07

Well I'm not up to two tb yet, but I certainly do have near 400 mb of stuff and I will say i know exactly where all of it is, mostly through creating my own folders.

for instance, I never! use the my music folder, sinse it's in my documents, which is user specific anyway, and thus less logical to get to and play around with. I've got a folder just called music on the c drive, where everything is organized into many folders and subfolders depending upon what it is, and for backup purposes I just copy that folder to my external harddrive.

I've done the same with audio books and radio plays, I have a folder called audio.

I generally don't muck about with too many external drives and lots of things in different places.

I have one copy of everything on my desktop, and when I run out of space I'll have another interal harddrive added (I might have to do that this year). And I have one external drive which also has a copy of everything on just in case my desktop explodes.

Then as I said I organize my favourites, and programs into things that make sense, for instance I have an audio games folder on the programs menue, which then has subfolders for Gma, bsc, usa games etc, and another for interactive fiction games.

I have all my games installed in a directory fun program files, so that I can go in there and mess about without disturbing any majorly important windows programs, and I also have in there several folders just for storing setup files, such as 0 bought games, 1 free audio games etc (I number those so they end up at the top of the directory).

I then have several utility folders, like an uploads and downloads folder, and a folder just called storage for putting anything that I don't have another place for, like pdf or html gamebooks.

this means I can very quickly find anything I have. it's asystem I sort of worked out bit by bit over the space of about 12 years as I started to do more stuff with my computer, eg, I only created the uploads folder when i started uploading, andonly created the audio folder when I started downloading audio books and radio dramas.

The point is though, this hasbeen one of my major concerns with windows 7, sinse I've been using this sort of system right sinse 95, and really! don't want to start mucking about with it just because microsoft are too stupid to let me change where I put things.

At least it seems I can customize the start menue relatively easily, but windows explorer in 7 did look very silly indeed.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2011-07-26 12:18:49

For "security reasons", windows has gotten very picky about what folders it lets you add to. It seems reluctant to let you mess with the top level of the C drive, but anything in program files takes much more doing to modify (that's the main reason I haven't updated my Sonic car for Top Speed 3... I'd have to copy the vehicle file to a user directory, edit it, then copy the file back into program files and hope UAC gives me the chance to override the restrictions).
On XP, though, it was very rare that I'd do anything under documents and settings. c:\my games, c:\mp3sAndWavs, c:\midis... I won't pretend I was anywhere near as organized about it as I could have been, but there was so much less tedium involved...

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2011-07-26 14:33:43

Even in vista, its difficult to cut or copy and paste things from or to the program files folder. From my experience with windows 7, it seems very unorganized and annoying to navigate. Although, i know at some point, especially if windows 8 is similar, i will just have to get used to it and learn the layout.

2011-07-26 14:46:04

I personally just turn uac off on vista, since it's more of a hindorence than a security tool IMO.
As for the layout thing I pretty much got tired of it and i'm therefore now in the process of switching to mac OS as I have already said multiple times.

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2011-07-26 14:55:30

Big catch of course is that most games, whether you're a visually impaired gamer or a mainstream gamer for that matter, just aren't available on Mac. Sighted gamers are getting more and more games for Mac admittedly but as for audio games the vast bulk are Windows only, with a few exceptions. For this reason I don't think I'll ever be able to ditch Windows entirely.

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2011-07-26 14:57:59

As I've said on the audeasy list, user accounts just seem to cause more trouble than they solve, and 90 percent of the troubles I've ever had in windows xp have been due to this.

i wonder though, would itbe possible to create a fun program files folder and install in there instead of the program files one?  presumably you can muck about with it, though if your not along to create c folders for some silly reason that might not be possible.

I think if I do switch to windows 7, the first ting i'll have todo is rejigger all the settings to let me do what I want.

As for mac, well there are three principle reasons why i don't want to switch.

1, most of the things I do require windows programs, for instance my phd is written entirely in ms word, and I use xl for gamebook mmaps. I also use winamp as my main music player because i like it's addons and customization.

While there are probably similar things on the mac, I have a lot of stuff that I would need to stil use winamp and office to access, like my thesis and lots of music in crazy game formats.

2, compatibility. Lots of games and such just don't have mac versions, and I'm not sure how successful emulation is. While more stuff is produced for Mac these days, I stil don't particularly want to be on the end of something that I want to play which is windows only, and currently it seems I'd be giving up more than I gain game wise.

These two reasons also apply to lynux as well.

3, price. Mac desktops cost a lot, even if you factor in no need to buy a screen reader (and sinse I have a permiannt Hal lisence and only need to pay for upgrades that's not really an issue for me anyway).

I just don't have the cash for a mac.

If I ha lots of money, i'd probably buy a mac as well as a windows machine, but again, lack of funds, especially as a mac would be largely an experiment to me.

that's just my thoughts of course.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2011-07-26 17:31:11

Well as I understand the permissions system I don't see why it wouldn't let you make a new folder, it'd just be set with permissions so that only your account can access it.

As to Macs, yes there are packages which would support MS formats I believe. Crazy game soundtrack formats on the other hand would be more tricky. As to point 3, if you went 100% Mac the Mac itself would cost more but you'd be free of screen reader updates. Point 2 makes that impractical though.

Of course like I've previously mentioned it's perfectly possible to dual boot a Mac with Windows, I planned to do just that gbut I wasn't able to get sighted help to run the Windows installer unfortunately.

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2011-07-26 19:58:55

I thought I was the only one that aranged media by folders. Anyway, my media folder is around 388 gb and of course my laptop only has a 200 gb hardrive in it. So my media folder stays on my XP machine. it has some podcast, audio and dromatized books and some movies. I also have 61.2 gb of podcast in my ITunes folder. So it would be a pain to move my XP machine to seven, and from what i've seen of seven, I really don't see me going threw the trouble of updating. it's one of those things that if it aint broken, don't fix it. Windows seven is something that we all as PC users will most likely have to get use to, but of course alot of us will go kicking and screeming. It took me awhile to get windows explorer in windows seven to look even half way to the way I like it and to me, if you were going to go threw alot of trouble when switching from a old xp machine that might barely be running to a brand new windows seven machine, you might think about other OSes and why or why not when it comes to sticking to windows. of course windows eight is coming down the pipe, which is something else to get used to from what I understand.

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2011-07-26 20:17:41

There are tons of people who actualy use macs who have discouraged me from doing so and given me tons of things to think about if I do decide to seriously devote myself to investing in one. A bit of research never goes amiss, and so I decided to do it; here's what I came up with.

Questionable: when voiceover crashes, it is necesary to restart the mac.  Can anyone confirm this?  IN its worst incarnations, JAWS is quite a nuisance and requires many restarts of the program at times.  NVDA can be the same when you are using eloquence as a prefered synth.  I've not heard many people speak about WindowEyes or SystemAccess, Hal, or any other screenreader in a negative manner, but have not ruled out that problems do exist with thos bits of software just because they are software and no software is perfect.  Nevertheless, none of these tends to force a complete system restart.

Fact: development is almost non-existent amongst the mac OS's community because there is no real need for it since apple's opperating systems have less users.  this means that if you are looking for personal preference and choice, chances are you're not going to find much.  As an afterthought, most of the people who program for its opperating systems actualy work for the company.  Since the company currently seems to be focusing on money rather than as it once did on its users, perhaps because they have faulsely claimed that their machines can do things they can't and are being sued left and right for it, or some other hidden motive that is worse, this does not show any signs of improving.  There are decisions that apple makes which make no sense to me whatsoever outside of the world of computers, but methinks that's beyond the scope of this subject.

Arguable: unless you plan on doing extensive amounts of powerful editing, be it video or audio, the mac is not really for you.

Fact:  though many mac users claim that no PC laptop can keep up with the macbook or macbook pro, this is untrue, and based on how much you wish to spend, you can get the same results from a machine such as the Toshiba Satellite Pro L630 which is priced at  $749 US, the Dell Latitude E6410  priced at $1219 US, and Sony VAIO Y Series  priced at $769 US.  This last one actually keeps up with the apple machine right up to the battery power.  The real difference is that Microsoft originally sold its system to many manufacturers and is therefore compatible with more hardware.  Apple has stuck to its own products in a closely knit circle, perhaps in an atempt to be unique?  I really wouldn't know.

Fact:  Pc's are generally ready to go right out of the box.  Though I understand the term PC to mean Personal Computer, I am refering to a machine running windows.  Depending on which one of these common tasks you wish to accomplish, IE, playing all of your music on the go, hookig it up to your big screen TV, or, as CX2 said in his earlier post, gaming, there is little you need to do to get up and running.  Apple, from what I can gather, charges $99 US for an online service which allows you to stream files from home or share files with computers on separate networks.  It is also necessary to obtain separate adapters to hook up your mac to other devices, and as far as I know, you don't get a Blu-ray player, TV tuner, or Memory Stick reader built-in.  This is, of course, fairly related to the previous concept of hardware compatibility, but it's worth emphasising if you plan on doing any of this on a mac.

There are, of course, many reasons to get a mac as well if you have some cash to burn, not least of which is the fact that the line between mac and PC is becoming less clear, especially when you take advantage of the Boot Camp feature and dual boot Mac OSX with Windows operating systems.  IN the end, the one thing you should be asking yourself is which benefits you prefer.  It is no secret that macs are pricy, but they will last you longer than your average windows machine if you take care of it properly.  There is, however, more support available for windows machines.  Every aspect will be taken care of by many different outlets that specialise on either the software or hardware side of things.  If you purchase a mac, you will depend on yourself or an apple genius to bail you out of any hot water, as replacing the machine all together may not be your desire.

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2011-07-27 20:23:30

I've never encountered a situation which required a complete reboot, pressing command F5 enough times always restarted Voice Over just fine for me. That's not to say it can't happen, I just haven't encountered.

The $99 service is entirely optional, you can alternatively buy the Lion Server upgrade for £35 which should be around $60-70 and set up your own VPN server with a one off charge. That said this is only necessary as you say if you need to access content from your home network when you're connected to the internet or another private network, which in itself is a specialised requirement even in Windows. Yes a VPN server has its potential security vulnerabilities but so will any equivalent you run in Windows.

Macs are far more effective out of the box than a PC for visually impaired users. You have no need to install extra software for accessibility and don't need to use Narrator until you can get your screen reader of choice installed. Apple's own software tends to be increasingly accessible and their office suite is available as individual programs for much less than Microsoft Office is. There is less competition for each category of software I'll grant you, it isn't so much that it isn't necessary as everybody jumped on the Windows bandwagon.

I can't speak for other macs but my older MacBook Pro came standard with an SD card slot. The memory stick format was proprietary to Sony and is way obsolete. If you're talking about USB sticks they are supported just fine. The only adapters you generally need to buy are if you want to use a 56K modem which again is getting towards being obsolete these days. I'll also query how many Windows PC's actually come with TV tuners built in.

I'll certainly grant that it's possible to specialise a non-Mac computer much more easily, Macs by their nature are general purpose. I don't see TV tuners being that practical for general inclusion since standards vary wildly by country and a TV tuner that works in the US is unlikely to work in many other countries, especially those using digital freeview or the European PAL standard. That's in addition to the fact that only a few users actually want a TV tuner or have their PC positioned near a TV connection. There are so many companies manufacturing  generic PC's that they can afford to fill all the little niche uses, Apple only produce 6 basic models of Mac and that's it.

Of course the Apple TV seems pretty pointless to me since you need a computer running iTunes to stream the content from anyway. If they can't either include an internal hard drive, an option for a USB hard drive, or a hard drive inside or attached to one of their much advertised and probably overpriced for their functions Airport or Time Capsule set ups for the content they might as well not bother.

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