stop right there guys! like, seriously! JAWS is so feature rich, I mean, just think about it. THAT bullshit known as NVDA had microsoft edge support, as experimental as it was, back in 2016! we had to wait till 2018 in JAWS!  it was so feature rich, they got away without edge support shamelessly for years! they still! don't! have win10 OCR support. in short, JAWS, last I looked, still struggled more on win10 than NVDA. and, the latest change log mentions absolutely no win10 enhancements. I'll be eagre to see the 1809 compatibility, if any.
I'm an NVDA user, that's true. but for good reasons. my college offered me JAWS, in fact, they told me straight up, they never heard anyone else, who prefers NVDA over JAWS, besides myself. the fact is, I rejected it, and I have for good reasons, just look at the latest change log.
as for mat, I can't make out whether his post should be taken seriously, or whether that was a nice way of putting sarcasm.
as for NVDA users protecting their beloved NVDA, not true. not true at all. anyone remembers a few months ago, when NVDA bought nothing new to the table, and JAWS kept going? I was literally afraid that this would be the end of it all. but it looks like the table got flipped back rather soon once again. there were like 4 or so JAWS updates in like 5 weeks, while the NVDA update bought nothing new to the table. and the tab key thing. I only see a what's new, not an enhancements feature list, but I'd be glad to take a look at it again.
PS. I also remember NVDA having one core TTS support, as well as skype UP, and skype 8 support miles before JAWS got there. the fact is, if JAWS wants to stay in the competition, along with narrator and NVDA, FS really needs to change things, mainly the way updates come, and their features, oh, and their prices. I'd be one of the first to bite on JAWS, if it was a bit more friendly. there are things, that, well, are  quite a struggle with NVDA, as all we more or less have is objNav.
PPS. narrator change log, anyone?

I was being very sarcastic, don't worry. My brand of sarcasm doesn't always come across well over text.

They should just switch to a subscription system, then there wouldn't be any need for the facade of appearing to release an entirely new version every year. They could just focus on keeping the product current, and announce any innovations as and when. It would be much more affordable for most people as it's the initial massive outlay that's the problem. For those who prefer NVDA and think it has better features overall, then jaws is over-priced at any cost, but I don't know why they should care. There's a ton of stuff out there for sale that most of us don't want or need, if we all complained about it all, we'd never have time to do anything else. This topic was started to let people know about the beta release of jaws 2019. As well as discussing whether the changes are working as they should, discussing whether this release is feature--rich enough to constitute a new version is I think a valid direction. We should really have kept NVDA out of it altogether because it always descends to some degree in a my-dad's-bigger-than-your-dad cock waving contest, and no one ever comes out of those looking good. They may both be screen readers, but they're very different ventures. One has to maintain a salaried staff, and stay afloat in the world of free market commerce, and the other is a collective effort to make a good screen reader available to all. The only way a jaws vs NVDA discussion could ever be truly valid is if both were either commercial or free.

if JAWS went subscription based, and you could opt out when and if you wanted to, and just pay for whatever the current version is, I'd go for it. around £10 per month is reasonable, and more or less everyone should be able to afford that. then there wouldn't be users losing out on the SMA, having to pay over 800 dollars just to renew. it would also make the competition interesting, since that's roughly what people generally contribute to NVDA as well.
although, interesting to see how upgrading from 18, and 15, pro and home respectively, more or less costs the same. in other words, you don't pay for 16 and 17, in the case of 15. that's nice to see.

I don't get what's wrong with telling people how shitty FS / VFO is. I'd kinda be pissed if I bought a big ticket item, like a TV, it broke, and then to realize they're customer service is pretty much non-existent. I don't see people bashing, but it's funny how the JAWS people are so hardcore, die hard fans that even the slightest thing said against their beloved product gets them all worked up into a tizzy. I don't have a problem telling people about the negative aspects of NVDA, so I don't get why the JAWS people make it such an issue. Actually I have a theory though. My theory being that I think they feel at some level as if they have been ripped off, but its a subconscious thing, and they're not ready to admit it to themselves, so they become really defensive to mask the fact that they don't want anyone to know they've been basically raked over the coals by FS.

I retract my statement from post 54, now 53... About Orko having improved by not cowardly deleting his posts... As you'll notice it's now gone. ROFL

Thanks a lot for messing up our conversations like that.

Classic case of rip-off Britain. I also wondered how the subscription might work. It seems a bit unfair that people who've already shelled out a shit-ton of cash, should pay the same as people who've just come on board. I guess if that's the case we'll just have to suck it up for the greater good. I fully support a move towards making jaws more affordable for everyone, so I'll take one for the team .

Lol that guy needs a serious ass kicking.

Firstly:
Orko, either say something or don't. Deleting something because your scared of the discussion that follows is a pretty stupid thing to do. You're only wasting your time and making yourself look even more stupid than you already do normally.
With that out of the way, yeah I'd actually be among those who would be happy to pay for Jaws if VFO went with a more subscription based model. I've never understood this mentality of hating one reader over the other. At worst you're limiting yourself. If I really, really wanted to, I could go out and buy Jaws right now, but I don't need it badly enough to tell VFO that I'm totally fine with them charging insane amounts for their product. One feature I'm actually a huge fan of is their skim reading feature that they've had around since Jaws 6. I wish I could speak for newer versions of Jaws (I've heard their touch screen support seems to be better too?) but until I can justify a reason to buy it, NVDA it is.
I'm sure NVDA is hurting them and has been for some time. It's the people in countries that aren't so well off that are feeling NVDA is their answer. The important thing people need to start doing is telling VFO that we *want!* better answers. If this means not buying any of their products, then so be it. It's really no different to something like the iPhone. Every year people bitch to Apple about it's price, then turn around 2 minutes later and buy it. If I knew you were going to willingly pay 2000 dollars for my product, I'd be charging that until you told me otherwise. It's reasons like this that I've chosen to be on team Android. I'm personally happy with paying 600 bucks for a phone that so far has done everything just fine for me, with the hopes that other people are too. As much as I talk about the people who keep complaining about a price tag, I think more and more people are slowly beginning to realise what we're doing to ourselves. You are the market. I am the market. Lets try and remember this.

I must mention this. I saw someone hear said that people on i7's don't get any lag with nvda. We do. At least i do. My CPU is Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU @ 2.70GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.9GHz
Actually it doesn't lag unless something crashes, Or it also lags or even completely fails at tracking folder items when i play a sound file and exit the player with ALT+f4. While it's annoying I still prefer nvda over jaws. First it's free with all these features, Second it has addons, and you are free to write anything you like with it. You can even code audio games as an add-on for nvda. So it's really my piece of cake. oh BTW not to forget quick and free updates with awesome features in each update which might be more than a jaws upgrade, And these quick updates make nvda more friendly to recent technology, Such as fast-updating mozilla firefox, windows10's new features, etc etc.

yesterday, while copying files, my NVDA lagged out so bad, not even alt-control-n worked. bringing up JAWS, however, did. using an AMD 9700p over here, but shouldn't make a difference. on the other hand, I'm getting no lag with NVDA, using an intel celeron on win8.1. there really is no other solution other than staying away from win10, due to the UI issue...