2016-08-12 05:04:14

Hi guys.
Here's a question I've had on my mind for a while now. I've made some observations, but I wanted to reach out to a broader audience. For those of you with college degrees, were you able to find employment? Was it relevant to your field of study?
To those of you without a degree, how are your employment prospects? Do you think a degree would make a difference in whether or not employers would be willing to consider your application?
On a side note, in your opinion, are we less likely as blind people to get the job than the average sightie?


For the record, I do not currently have a degree, and I'm not quite sure if finishing college would be a worthwhile option.

2016-08-12 08:57:27

Is a degree worth having?  Yes, but it's worth less than the amount of time and money that goes into it, particularly if all you're going for is, say, a bachelor's degree, which at present seems to be taking a minimum of 10 years for sighted individuals to pay off.  Right here, you might be tempted to argue that as blind and vision impaired individuals who gain assistance through agencies such as the division for blind services and so on we have nothing to worry about, but we do.  Fail and your overall GPA drops.  Fail enough and your GPA drops enough to consequently affect how much you will be receiving financially from any institution.  As a blind person in a majorly sighted world, you will fail at least one class if you're in a college or university that does not provide adequately for you, given that professors have many students to deal with and only do the bare minimum to accommodate you; sometimes less than that.  Books change usually on a yearly basis, creating a nightmare for offices that provide services to people with disabilities as they struggle with the task of keeping up to date and providing braille and or other accessible material.  if you don't have the assignments and material needed to complete said assignments, you cannot complete them.  You fail the class, wait until next year to take it and tell yourself there will be a new professor to take it with who might be more willing to work with you.  The year comes in; you walk in with your book in hand, confident that it'll all work out, until you discover that your book is worthless because the book has been updated, along with all your notes which would have served you at least a little better last year with said book.  You've set yourself back on at least one class you could be taking and have to extend your graduation goal a little longer, for nothing.  Fail again and the college or university might just consider suspending you for a year, which means you won't be taking classes to make up for the lost hours of priceless credits you need to transfer to a better university, or, to put it more simply, it's time to start over again.
"But,"  You say, "I've managed to get into a more prestigious college and or university..."  Have you?  Filled out all their paperwork?  Received an acceptance letter?  If the answer is no to the latter, they have no problem rejecting you; it's still a win win situation for them since now you're a statistic they can boast about who was attracted to their institution.  You did receive the acceptance letter?  Congratulations; I hope your family isn't poor and or that your service provider gives said college a ton of money on a regular basis, else your chances of staying in are less than those of more wealthy candidates who can provide more money to colleges and universities that want money to stay open and redecorate and keep going through professors faster than some people go through underwear, many of which are unqualified undergraduates trying to stay in college and struggling to pay off their own debts.
maybe you should cheat a bit?  Everyone else is doing it?  Hmm, I'll leave the ethics of such a matter for some other time and say that if you manage by this or some other method to obtain that quick degree that you're just another person with a ton of them, and that a sudden influx of people with a particular degree in anything doesn't create a need for them which can then translate to jobs for all.  it's the way society works, which is why adults who are supposedly motivational speakers that go to middle and high school classes and start up with the "you can do anything" mantra don't get my respect.  it's not logical.  it's not societal!  You can't do everything because everyone else is wanting to do that too, and at the end of the day it creates needs for the people who are doing whatever it is you want to do.  Lawyers?  Doctors?  Computer consultants?  Governors?  Congressional leaders?  President?  Mafia self made man with a kagillion dollars and a ton of beautiful ladies and private planes and yachts?  Someone has to maintain their cars, take away their trash, mow their lawns, pave their streets, refuel their airplanes, fly their airplanes, unclog their toilets and garbage disposals and take care of any other plumbing and water pipe issues that might result over the span of time that is living anywhere.  Yes, water!  Treating it, dealing with electricity, gas, food production, the list goes on.
If you've managed to overcome all of the above, have a solid career plan in mind with your eye on a degree that isn't worthless, perhaps in business, health care or tech, there's still only so much hope for you.  Do you have solid transportation to and from work?  How much does your future employer have to bend for you?  is there someone who they might deem more qualified by the simple fact that they are sighted?  Discrimination, yes, but it's still happening, and as people simply looking to make the best of their company and bring in the most profit I can't say they don't have the right to do it.  if you know someone who will give you a chance?  Good; you've got something many of us don't.
if you've made it down this far, I'd like to clarify that I'm not here to say it cannot be done, but it is a more or less paradoxical or maddening fight that produces variable results depending on which way you want to look at it and what your personal experiences are like.  These are mine.  if they change, i'll get back to you on it.

When life gives you oranges, demand lemons since everyone else is obviously getting them.

2016-08-12 11:24:54

Wow, Nocturnus’s post says it all, and, incredibly amazingly!
Never could I say it better!

Last year, I enrolled at the Faculty of Foreign Languages here in my city, and I can confirm everything Nocturnus said. I’ve been an enthusiastically futuristic student at my high school where I recorded the best moments of my life at school. I had my English teacher whom I praise a lot for what she has done to me, and my respect towards her will always be endless. I met her in the very first days of my high school and she would be the teacher who would work for my group. She was a young woman but very proficient and willing to work with people who are hard-working. She asked me about the first lesson we had taken two days before, and I said, “I don’t have the book yet.”
I also told her that I could speak the next time we would have a class, but there she got a little angry and said.
“In this class, you’re neither unequal, nor incapable than the others. You’re just as every student is, and so you’ll be considered till the last day of these three years.”
That day, I sware, changed the vision of my life, and I had finally, for the first time, found someone who was ready to willingly work with me. I began studying truly hard in English subject and I progressed a lot in the first year. Every project, every homework, everything was looked into by her. I would take the maximal grade in each class we had. And by the end of three years, I resulted to be one of the best students in my school. But the other members of the staff were no different. They would work eagerly with me cause they knew I wouldn’t disappoint them. When I met one of my teachers about six months ago, she said that they still take me as a great example of someone who, despite being blind, can work more efficiently and productively than the other classmates who are sighted. And so ended the glorious experience I had in high school. But what’s next? The university! The great university! The long-awated university! Oh my Lord, thanks for bringing to me this day! And so you begin studying your favourite subject, full of courage, cheerfulness, readiness and enthusiasm, only to realise that the place you have come is a friend of hell, (on the earth). Well, at least it looks so compared to the high school. And so was for me. More speaks the text I derived from one of my previous posts where I described university.

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I started university on October at the faculty of foreign languages here in my city. No, it's not USA, I'm far from there, I live in Albania.
It's been an intensively busy, bloody competitive, highly disappointing year for me. Very difficult lections each one up to 20-30 pages, with lots of new
words, bazaar stuff I've never run into, occupied time which for me was never enough, and massive amounts of stress.
All this, surely, I dedicate to the messy system through which the universities run here in my country. They do not support students but professors. It's
not my inability which causes me to utter these words, but that's a fairly unacceptably disorganised system which drives the lives of students in an irreversable
direction. Just living in a survival state hoping to grab a good grade from the professors. Though I've done well, it's a little far from my expectations.
There is nobody apart from yourself to cheer you courageously and to give a little hope like my teachers did in High school. Here's a completely different
environment.

Cheers!

2016-08-12 13:50:26

My take on this was  and is a little different.

I went to university not so much looking for a qualification with a view to future employment, but simply looking to do more with my life than I had previously. Job applications after all as a blind person, much less an unqualified blind person are something of a none starter anyway, after all the world is currently constructed to convert people into cogs in the prophet machine and if you don't fit that cog space the prophet machine isn't beholden to slow down for you, hence why my personal philosophy has been "sod the prophet machine! I am more than capable of finding a vocation for myself, and if nobody pays me accept the government, well that's society's loss"

With the financial aspect I'll admit university wise I was lucky. Here in Britain post 2012 essentially the government stopped giving a crap about anyone getting qualified and told universities to charge what the hell they liked, this means the chances of paying for a degree involve either massive financial debt who's repayment is predicated upon earning a substantive amount of money, or being rich.
When I qualified however, it was more than possible enough to live and pay for a degree just about, so long as I didn't go nuts, hence why I have a comparatively small lone.
Since the repayment of that large bill is something you only need to worry about in britain when you earn enough, and since your actual chances of earning that amount of money are not high as a blind person I'd still recommend it, even if with a little more reservations, despite the fact that as I said employment, much less employment in anything that actually serves any real function with or without a degree for a blind person is pretty much a none starter anyway.

So what is the advantage of university? One word, Life!

I've heard that students on average tend to be far more accepting and decent people than most of society. Admitedly I'll say my university was and is one of the best available for arts and academic type of subjects in the country, so it's possible that on average people there are less narrow minded, though I have met students from other universities.

No where else  however have I found myself as readily accepted by a group of people, respected, and actively part of a real community where I did participate equally, ---- yes, the cliche was true. I was even president of our philosophy society, and so had a fair degree of responsability for organizing events.

Work wise, I never really had a problem. With philosophy, most of what I needed were recommended books or jernal articles. I was provided a disabled students allowance which I used to pay for a reader, other than this I just worked fairly hard at what I did and came out with an incredibly good degree, and then indeed a masters and now am doing a doctorate.

Of course,  when viewing universities I chose the one with the department I thought the most friendly (which also happened to be pretty high up academically). The department and lecturers (with a couple of exceptions), were on average extremely helpful about things like explaining when writing diagrams or giving book recommendations.
I will say however, remember in general at university it is not school. You are not going to be spoon fed information, but  need to get off your rear and find things out for yourself, read articles, discuss things, do academic research if that's your subject, and work bloody hard.

Is university write for everyone? possibly not, but if your visually impared I'd say it's something you should heavily consider just on social implications alone. University was where I made some of my best friends, where I got to try out different interests from rock climbing to tabletop roleplay, where I actually found all those social cliches about acceptance to prove true for a few short years.

Of course then you leave and that's that, but still better to have some good memories than just start your career as a social outcast waiting for something to turn up streight off. Fortunately for me, something, or someone has, though that was very much luck.
Still, I remember my time at university as an undergrad and postgrad as the best I've had.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2016-08-12 14:42:59

@Dark,
I'm happy for ya.  I like that whole society's loss concept which is kind of my view concerning the way the system is set up for blind people right now.  I just wish it had gone a little better on this side of the pond.  Two years later, two years under which I went through 9 classes, no friends, no social connections, no incentive other than the friggin you gotta do what ya gotta do obvious was pounding through my skull as I continued hammering out essays for sociology, for musical theory, for some trumped up class that was supposed to be an introduction to university, and it occurred to me that the life I was living belonged to the corporate world.  I live in the US; I wish I were a citizen of the UK.  Our country leads in defense spending, in imprisonment, and in obesity, all things that keep the rich rich and the poor poor.  I'm happier now because I'm living for a higher purpose and while I do, I continue to sharpen my tools.

When life gives you oranges, demand lemons since everyone else is obviously getting them.

2016-08-12 16:17:16

Hi,
Now that I’m at university, I can say I feel much more alone. Here people are very hesitant to talk and socialise. It’s true that they are more acceptable, but their hesitation to open towards new people annoys me. If they don’t want to talk to new people, how then they can make new friends? And by acceptance, I mean acceptance towards people of other religions, colours, and regions. For example, there is a tendency of people here to judge others who come from run-down villages. Hopefully my classmates don’t do this, cause most of the students come from different regions. The problems here are like, disorganised, unsociable, lonely, quiet people, less humorous, less talkative, less furious, and after all, less curious to look for and learn new things.
In my highschool I had some friends who were very nice people, full of joy and very helpful. They were very sociable and ready to cooperate and work together. Something very interesting I found there, most of my classmates would willingly offer their help when I was alone or needed to go anywhere. My teachers were not much different. They would ask me if I needed anything explained or needed any kind of help, or if I needed to have anything cleared in relation to the lessons. It was really a nice environment all around. I felt like home.
In the university, this cannot happen because there is a bigger number of students and the professors cannot get to know with students. They may hardly know your name. One teacher here who had previously worked in a high school told me that when she was at that place, she needed to deal with many issues, like investigating the state of students, and even dealing with any of their family problems. But here she didn’t have to. And this is a big difference cause you don’t have an idea who is lecturing you, who is commanding the department, who is telling you to be adults and so on.

2016-08-12 16:48:57

@Nocturnus, I have heard university at least from a social perspective is a rather different experience in the states to what it is in England. In England it's literally a community of people living, working and socializing together in various institutions, where as in the states I believe it's more like a random collection of people wandering into an institution to partake of what that institution offers and social contacts happen outside of, or at most incidental to  the university itself.
For example, I was very much part of, eventually president of the philosophy society which occurred every thursday evening and involved inviting lecturers from across the country to attend debates and discuss various topics. It was very heavily connected with philosophy (obviously), but entirely external to what we were expected to learn, particularly since the lectures we organized had a lot of fun aspects too (we once had a party with a talk entitled "Celibrating life and death!" where I went dressed as the grim reaper).
I attended several other societies as well as functions in colidge where I lived from balls to formal dinners, started role playing and generally had a huge amount of fun finding groups with diverse interests or heck just hobnobbing with people living on my corridor.

Of course in Britain there are instances of universities (even groups among mine), who are horribly cleaquey or taken up with just themselves or their type, but that's the same everywhere, and certainly university has more than enough different people who get together, all having moved away from home and generally all interested in making friends.

I for example made one good friend by simply sitting next to her in history of medicine lectures for a couple of terms saying "good morning" each day, then when the lecture was cancelled asking if she wanted to grab a coffee next door in the student bar. it actually turned out she was feeling as much an outcast as I was, but my ease in that environment helped things progress rather well.

In a way my one cryticism of university is that it gave me unrealistic  expectations of social acceptance, since I assumed the general collective would be as prone to be reasonable as students were, and found that not to be the case once I left, particularly when all those good friends I'd made moved away, went else where and got wrapped up with procreating or making money.
As regards jobs and such, well it's actually one of the few advantages that I see to having a disability (and there are enough disadvantages),  that I can do pretty much what I like in terms of finding a vocation and don't! have to worry about trying to become a cog in the collective  and sacrifice all my energy and free time for basic existance and a superficial level of social acceptance that so many people do.

I'd be very glad to actually do good for others, or to use what creative talents I might have for others' bennifit, but if society doesn't want that from me, then society can go and take a running jump.

This isn't to say I'm a total parasite, just that I see my time better spent doing what I can irrispective of othef the collective's expectations, eg, singing, writing, working for this site, trying to be nice to people or doing voluntary things, as opposed to trying to fill expectations that I'm not cut out for, nor would be the least rewarding were I able to fill them anyway since tey are not expectations tailer made for anyone's bennifit accept the share holders of set corporate processes.

Of course, were I like my brother and absolutely! devoted to, and cut out for one specific career, the way he is for the law, matters could be different, but honestly at this point I'm happy doing what I can get in terms of writing and performing (the two things I'm good at), if anyone pays me, good, if not, well I'm not going to feel overly guilty at having some cash from the government provide me a basic existance so long as I am doing somethingg for others and not living entirely for myself, and if I'm not contributing to the prophet machine or living up to the collective's expectations of what a good citizen is? Well who ever said the collective and the prophet machine were right anyway!

My one real sadness is that finding accepting environments and groups of people is so rare outside of university. The aims music school I attend a couple of times a year is one such, a bunch of people of different ages, cultures and backgrounds bent on singing and performing all stuck together in one place, however outside of that it seems society actively discourages any sort of meaningful interaction or acceptance.

I admit though that situation has eased hugely since I am now married to my best friend. Hopefully the two of us can find something more social and some degree of interaction with others, but if not, we will always have each other, and actually it's amazing how much that means!

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2016-08-13 01:44:28

Eh, my first two years were ... hmm, let's just go with "bad, but Japanese class was kinda cool". Then suddenly in the third year a wave of new students who I could actually handle showed up.
(Then when I tried going back after my break, they were all gone and it was a lot like the first year again, except with horrible sleep problems and Windows Live Messenger replaced with Skype the Bloated. ... Skype the Hut? Hmm.)


I want to write and code and compose full time! And if directing my actions wasn't more frustrating than Super Pacman 2, I would have been doing that for the past 10 years, at least!

But, employment opportunities?
well, there are always call-centers and the government. If you're really diligent and can afford it, there's law. And if you're really studious, there's computers. But enough about stereotypes! Of course you're here to learn about jobs that are actually worth the paycheck, and not just looking for a grindstone (oh! That's why they call it grinding!).
... In which case, don't listen to us. So long as you're playing Minecraft or at least Super Metroid, instead of Super Pacman 2, the only real question is how willing you are to relocate in search of the best opportunities. And, of course, how much effort and what skills you have etc but those are just kinda assumed.

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2016-08-13 02:14:18

@Cae, sorry your university was so dire. I don't know if it's an Us thing or if i just got weerdly lucky with mine, although "lucky" is a relative term given the highly unrealistic expectations it gave me.

Unless your one of the lucky few who has a bent for a job that really needs doing as opposed to one which the share holding overlords simply see as a step in the production process, it's remarkable how few jobs actually need skills at all.

Don't get me wrong, if your cut out for something medical,  or legal or engineering or with practical real world skills like plumming or carpentry or the like that rocks, assuming you can actually find anyone through the tortuous process called application who is willing to recognize those skills in a blind person given that said process has very little to do with whether you have said skills or not, (it took my brother 14 years of sending off cvs, three years of quite literally working for nothing, and one pretty suspicious and highly unpleasant situation involving redundency and not discrimination honest gov to get to where he is).

I don't imagine though this covers most people, since for all the right wing insistance on "everyone having a trade and paying your way and the like" the actual real value of the majority of skills required in the work place is zero, one thing that makes the idea of a zombocalypse so frightening big_smile.

Hence basically my  advice of find a vocation, and let the thought of a career go hang!

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2016-08-13 04:01:31

well maybe with the release of the orbit reader 20 and therefore very low cost refreshable braille, maybe just maybe our ability to get through college and gain fulltime employment will greatly increase?

2016-08-13 04:04:44

I was also thinking that back when i was in college, if back then I had been able to write 15 to 20 words per minute with the slate and stylus and if I would have used braille like sighted folks use their pencils and penns and if I would have had the agency get me a braille embosser perhaps just maybe i would have passed college. now whether or not that would have lead to a job I'm not sure. but I think that using braille as extensively as sighted people use print to read and write maybe would have given me the edge i needed to pass. but when i was in college the disabilities office insisted whenever i got books from them whether it is math books or foreign language books. they must be books on tape and they must be from learning ally a lot of the readers who read the books some are well the ones i had were not that good in my opinion.

2016-08-13 09:40:45

@Dark,
I think you have been more than lucky to find a good community at your university. I'd give everything to have a community like that you describe.
In fact, there are some departments who are very organised in terms of schedules, appointments, and activities. A good example is the department of Psychology in  the university of my city. Very punctual professors, very organised, sociable students who set up new activities, take part in conferences, and create new non-profitable organisations to help people in need.

For instance, since the pollution is a problem in my city, the students of the first grade in the department of psychology organised an activity to raise the population's awareness by cleaning the most problematic areas in the city. They also create and organise small groups in excursions out-of-school so that any individual interested can take part and spend not much, while enjoying a lot a wonderful day with new, friendly people.

2016-08-13 15:15:08

At joshknnd1982: I have no idea how it happened, but I always seem to get paired with the TVI/braillist/school administration who is all about getting everything in braille whenever possible. I don't think it's my state, since when I got to college, this resulted in my braillist getting in contact with more or less every college-seeking blind person in the state, and from the sound of it, most of them just don't get the braille they need during public schooling, either. (The university in my hometown's accessibility equipment included a decades-old Perkins. That is all. So... apparently my elementary school was an exception even at the local level.) Incidentally, my braillist's conclusion, after working with enough blind students and asking after their academic backgrounds and history with braille, was that the "blind people are bad at math" stereotype is entirely due to lack of access to braille. Though, I propose the alternative hypothesis that math skills and extroversion are negatively correlated, and it's the extroverts who create the stereotypes for minorities. Anybody want to do the research to figure out which is more likely?

The Orbits went on my Christmas list within the first five minutes after I saw one at NFB2016. A braille display that's affordable on SSI? And the only downside is that it's better for reading than animation? Exalt that stuff right now! However, I am slightly worried that it wouldn't work so well for programming or math-related applications, and it's just not big enough for even the low-resolution game-maps for which the PM40 was so helpful. For general purposes, though, and imaginably quite a few related to the college/employment topic, something so cheap that is still decent quality could well be a game-changer.

(I heard a rumor that The reason braille went out of style is apparently not because of screen readers, but because of some policy changes that made it more practical, financially or bureaucratically, to fold low vision and blindness education into the same category, so suddenly prospective TVIs didn't have to learn braille and could still get hired. This was in the 1980s, IIRC.)

(A very naive part of me believes that if I had a working braille display for the past 4 years, I'd've accomplished a lot more. I'm going to listen to this part even though it is almost certainly wrong, just because that will make the first five minutes after I get one a little more exciting. tongue )

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    George... Don't do that.

2016-08-13 18:17:44

so you saw an orbit reader 20 at a convention or conference? what was it like? oh and by the way you can read programming on it because i read the orbit reader20 manual and you can change settings to fit as much onto the display as can possibly fit and scroll by character with left and right arrows so yes you could read math or programming stuff on it. so how is the quality of the braille? is it like thermoform braille?

2016-08-14 00:50:04

I have heard that the braille dots are extremely rigid, unlike other braille displays. I am optimistic about the Orbit, but I do not see how it could change things in the long-term. I still, unfortunately, see braille as becoming obcelete, and that blind people are still going to face problems finding suitable employment.

Josh, from what I have read here and elsewhere, it sounds like you had a lot of difficulties when you attended college. Have you considered suing the college for not providing reasonable accommodations that eventuated in your failure to complete the course and subsequently led you to be unemployed with very little money? I am fairly sure that your case is not unique, but it could just change things for future students.

2016-08-14 01:22:48

well, sueing the college would require a lawyer and money that I don't have. as for braille being obsolete? I hope that never happens. after all we have all this technology and stuff and still we have books in print on regular old paper. and if braille becomes obsolete how will people learn spelling and math and foreign languages and formatting and punctuation, and grammar? How will they know the difference between the words there their and they're? Braille is just as important as print is to sighted people. I really hope the orbit 20 greatly increases braille literacy.

2016-08-14 01:51:02

question about the orbit reader 20? On other braille displays when the braille display is turned off you can still feel the braille dots. they are in a half way up and halfway down position. is this the case with the orbit reader 20? or do all the dots go completely down when it is turned off or in sleep mode?

2016-08-14 01:55:23

In answer to your question about the Orbit, I would assume that they are in that halfway position when the unit is turned off, but I do not know as I have never seen one. That halfway position is actually the best for the dots because of their fragility.

About the college situation, that's exactly my point--things will never change because the people who were short-change by the colleges can't pay the legal fees. However, you should still tell the NFB or another group like that. They may be able to assist you. I do agree with you that braille is important, and I see it as a shame that less blind people are learning and using it today.

2016-08-14 02:16:21

Suing people isn't always the best solution. most people are scared to death of it, which is why we have stupid amounts of political correctness and overcompensation for certain issues which I won't get into, as it's not on topic for this thread. The point is, stripping a person or institution of some of its monetary resources does little to change the attitudes of those who caused the problems in the first place. First of all, if you've got a crappy attitude towards the disabled, no amount of financial loss, no matter how shaming it might seem to be, is going to change that. if anything, it would just make you more defensive, more protective of your assets. More than likely, it would just result in some smooth talk that sounds great on paper, yet does very, VERY little to fix actual issues. How about the ADA, for example? it's done some good, but it's also caused some pretty severe hindrances, too. An employer has to dance around mentioning your disability for fear of getting sued, so they can't really ask about reasonable accomodations that might help you. And of course, they can give you bullshit excuses for why you weren't hired, such as that you were overqualified for the job in question.

The glass is neither half empty nor half full. It's just holding half the amount it can potentially hold.

2016-08-14 14:50:58

@Afrim, even within my university some groups were better than others. My department was generally good, albeit their was one extremely bitchy and highly unpleasant ultra feminist lecturer who hated anyone with a y chromosome. In British university a lot of groups exist as "socs" or societies. Some like the philosophy society (philsoc), are subject related, but many aren't.
I was also a member of my colidge choire, who were extremely nice, tried out rock climbing which was fun but not something I really connected with, and later tried out ballroom dancing which was pretty dire because people were rather standoffish.

Most famously the light opera society were bastards, refusing to take me on auditions and make blatant excuses, the start of unfortunately a process I now know all too well. So, it wasn't all good, but there was enough of a good community in there for me to have an amazing time, just a shame as I said that it had to rather abruptly end.

Hmmm, this orbit thing sounds interesting indeed, I've fancied the idea of an actually affordable braille display, if nothing else to play roguelikes with big_smile.

Well the braille debate is another issue, though I will note that putting all your faith in technology to solve what is essentially a social and atitudenal problem is probably not a good idea, since all the accessibility in the world cannot fundamentally change the attitude's of an employer, community or group of people. There are after all many sighted people who firmly believe that unless someone is staring fixedly at some lines on paper or on a screen they cannot be reading at all and won't accept any substitute, or won't accept any alternative mode of travel to driving around in a nice little car, ---- my brother lost a job for this very reason, that his potential employers believed! he was unable to travel there without a car without actually asking him.

Turtlepower unfortunately is correct here. Anti discrimination laws simply mean the discrimination cannot be obvious, and often even preclude useful discussion, particularly because as a lot of sighted people believe disabled people are inherently  incompetent, this includes disabled people's own assessment of their own competence, eg, "the silly blind person thinks they can do x but I know they can't so I'll find an excuse"

When pushed for example the university light opera society once actually did say to me "we just can't! have a blind person on stage!" The bastards.

This is why my personal belief is that the system will only change when forceably changed, ie, there needs to be a third party not connected to either the disabled person or the none disabled person making an assessment of them, a third party with the power to essentially arbitrate discussions and force discussion of disability related matters since currently the power relations just don't add up.

I've even in some rather grimmer moments thought that every disabled person should be allotted five governmentally sanctioned murders throughout their life. Just five, no more, that way everyone would have! to be a bit nicer to disabled people, particularly since the majority wouldn't know how many murders any given disabled person had left o whether they'd be willing to use them, heck it'd make the power relation far less agent/patient and a bit farer big_smile.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2016-08-14 19:57:29

Regarding the Orbits: the braille is pretty firm. It's sleeker than the Braille Light M20, and... I'm struggling to remember how the scroll buttons were arranged, because I looked at 3 braille displays while I was there and that wasn't hte bit I was most interested in, but I remember thinking they were OK but I liked scrolling on the Braille Sense better. The only thing I can see people complaining about, based on the little time I spent with it, is the refresh rate. It's pretty quick, but it's not instantaneous like most of the multi-thousand-dollar displays. It refreshes one cell at a time, but IIRC it doesn't even take a whole second to refresh a whole line. It'd slow down some of the things I did with maps (checking out vertical things by holding a finger on the spot and scrolling), but I found it had no noticeable effect on my ability to read it, and my braille reading speed was last clocked at 134wpm, which is slightly above average. So I'm pretty sure the four people who read fast enough that it would be a problem are financially secure enough that they can buy one of the faster displays out of pocket.

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2018-02-23 14:10:25

People go to college so obviously they can try and land a nice job. Not many people want to pay someone good money for a job that they are not good at/have no experience in/have no knowledge in. In my opinion, the degree is quite important. So remember, if you want good money you should probably get an education first. As for myself, my college degree has been absolutely worth it.
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2018-02-23 14:33:17

oliviablond wrote:

People go to college so obviously they can try and land a nice job. Not many people want to pay someone good money for a job that they are not good at/have no experience in/have no knowledge.

Rather odd how many people I've seen with degrees and masters who are now doing shelf stacking or generic office jobs because they cannot be accepted to do anything better.

This is one of the government, and society's largest misnomers, the belief that the collective actually care! about your degree which they don't.
Unless it's a vocational degree such as nursing or engineering your probably not going to have any better prospectves of getting an actually interesting or semi decent job anyway.

not that university isn't worth it, just that if your only set on making money university likely won't help you much, especially with  the Uk has gone the same way as the states and the government have basically allowed universities  charge whatever the hell they want and slap people with gigantic lones afterwards, meaning that post your uni career your likely close to 30 thousand in the red (with increasing interest of course), as compared to someone who didn't go, and that is before you start looking for a job, which you likely won't find anymore easily.

When you add blindness into this your on even more of a none starter anyway. 

Not that university isn't worth it, it definitely is, but the bennifits are not financial or based on getting a good job, since the few none cog related jobs that society has these days usually go on who you know, what connections you have and who your related to, rather than what you know.

Just another reason why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer as Nocturnus said, and why your best off as a visually impared person staying out of the prophet machine if you can.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2018-02-23 15:38:13

College isn't just about the education -- I would argue it's hardly about the exams so much is it about networking and utilizing resources the university has to offer in order to get you involved in companies and/or organizations related to your field of interest.  It is such a common misconception that college is solely about studying, being assessed, passing said assessments, and graduating with a degree.  Often times I hear stories of people who had friends or knew of family members who went to college, received a degree with a 3.7 GPA, and are in a ludicrous amount of debt with no line of work in their foreseeable future.  I make it a point to ask if during their time at the university did they work with their career services department.  The answers are either I don't know or no.  This gives the prospect of college a bad name.  Students are advised regularly to take advantage of university-offered services more often than not.  You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force him to drink it.  The inability of students' showing initiative costs them making contacts, getting first-hand experience, and ultimately, the probability they will get a job in what they enjoy doing.  To put it blankly, college isn't what most people think it is.  Furthermore, it is believed that if students don't get a job relative to their major, it is the prospect of college's fault, not the student's.

Please don't misunderstand -- grades still hold significant revelance in college.  They are, however, about as important as schools let them be important.  Scholarship awards are contingent upon students' performance in class as well as involvement in extra curricular activities.  In other words, good grades get you through school by earning you money to help pay for your tuition, and of course making you more likely to get into other schools.  Outside of the academic arena, however, only rarely do employers (in America) request a copy of your transcript.  They are more concerned with what degree you earned rather than what your grade was in Contemporary Ethics.  In sum, grades are important predominantly inside the academic arena.

I've been working with a professor and some other advisors on getting an internship related to computer science.  Thus far, I've applied to an intership for field placement, and have an inside connection with a local medical center in need of dev-ops.  If I hadn't bothered to meet with my professor or the other advisors at the university, I wouldn't have found these opportunities.

To wrap this up, college is a time to study what you want, but also to network and forge relationships with those who are in the field who will hopefully, in turn, provide you with ways to get on the inside as well.  Pick the right school, ensure disability services meet expectation, do well in your classes, apply for boatloads of scholarships, and don't be afraid to bang on some different departments' doors to have your questions asked.

HTH
Luke

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2018-02-23 17:34:05

eIn the Uk the system is rather different.

You don't get scholarships specifically. There is a careers fair, but mostly that usually boils down to various high priced business arse holes sitting around waiting for lots of students to stroke their egos  in the vague hope that said business arseholes might have a position available somewhere.

i was quite amused when one idiot canvassing for a bank told me that they were looking  "A trendy young person with a professional attitude" which made me, or my blindness or my masters in ethics or somethign else rather useless, not that I was actually interested in working for Lloyds bank anyway (I was actually just making conversation since I'd walked into their display and was commenting on how boring Loyds current advertising was).

here in the Uk generally unless your specifically on a vocational degree course that has set links with parts of the local community, careers post degrees are sort of a joke, because both universities and the government still asume that matters haven't moved on since the sixties and most employers will be impressed by having a degree anyway, while most employers couldnt' care less about your degree and are more bothered who you know, and whether you fit the stereotypical shape for whatever hole the cog they need you to be in.

It also doesn't help that most actual recruitment for coorporate employers is done by employment agencies who have their own agenders.

My brother applied for a position with the crown prosicution service with a reference from! the crown prosicution service where he'd done a placement. unfortunately the recruitment had bugger all to do with the cps and was carried out by a random agency who of course did not want to risk their fat contract with the cps by recommending a less than perfect applicant, ie. a blind person.

Actually the job market is bad enough for any graduate, especially if you want a job that requires you to use your brain, add in blindness and your onto a none starter, hence my above stated philosophy of forget a career, look for a vocation instead ;D.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)