2017-08-19 16:24:25

Witch anti virus programs are accessible for blind people? In other words, witch ones are people currently using and do they work with screen readers? I am using Webroot and it has 0 screen reader support. NVDA won't even read the hole screen when pressing capslock b, and none of the menus open with the keyboard or mouse. Someone on this forum said to desable it to get some games or programs installed, and I can't do that because it's not accessible. So, I want to know what people use and if it's better than Webroot so I can try using it. I've tryed the built in Windows Defender, and it's not very good meaning it doesn't really protect the computer from viruses so I got Webroot.

Barren Byron used Nature Overdrive!

2017-08-19 16:33:09

I use Microsoft Security Essentials, also known as Windows Defender if you're running Windows 10, because so far it's the only fully accessible anti virus I've been able to find. That it is free isn't such a bad thing either!

2017-08-19 19:15:04

I agree, I'm starting to get really annoyed with AVG now, but I haven't tried removing it yet because I've heard stories of stuff breaking. Absolutel gutted it's come to this, because we trust companies. That's what they get for getting too greedy or overprotective.

2017-08-21 12:47:03

honestly,  there is nothing wrong with windows defender.

unless 1. you do not know how to use a pc correctly. or 2. you are a very naughty person and likes to indulge in the darker side of the net such as torrenting.
so my advice would be either get some extra training on internet surfing or if its the latter, mend your wicked ways and lay off the porn and torrent sites.

2017-08-21 18:09:44

I'm using esset internet security and it's working flawlessly with JAWS. It even has a built-in firewall. Using this with malwarebytes.

2017-08-21 19:06:56 (edited by Orko 2017-08-23 17:35:52)

Oh wow! A firewall? Amazing!

Wait, oh yeah, Windows has one that works quite well built right in.

2017-08-23 21:01:17

I am also looking for a good and accessible Anti-Virus-Program. At the moment, I am forced to rely on Windows Defender. But since there is no safe way to install windows updates anymore without getting weird notifications, that your CPU is not supported by windows anymore, which is complete bs, I don't know, if Windwos Defender still gets all the updates. And no, I am not using Windows 10.

2017-08-23 21:55:22

If you are not using Windows 10, Windows Defender is just an anti malware program, to get anti virus protection you need to upgrade Windows Defender to Microsoft Security Essentials.

You can get it here:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel … s-download

This will install version 1.0, right after installing it, run Windows Update to get it updated to something like version 4.x.

2017-08-23 22:11:43

Your CPU isn't supported by Windows? What the heck? Neverh heard of that one.

2017-08-24 06:46:39

I can't remember it word by word. And I don't know, what it would say in english. But yup, that's what they throw at you, if you are not willing to update to their oh so great Windows 10. And you see that message at least twice a day.

2017-08-24 09:57:36

Well since I got windows 10 anyway, Windows defender came with it and I'm quite happy with it thus far, particularly it's  accessibility.
I did use malware bites for a while but I'm not sure what the access is like on some of the buttons with nvda these days, if anyone has experience I'd appreciate knowing since a bit of extra security never hurt, and malware bites was always good at getting the stuff that  other antivirus programs missed.

Avg sadly has gone totally down the tubes. It's sad really, I used it from about 2005 onwards, but every new version was less accessible, it's almost getting as bad as avast these days, where any notification ois unreadable, which is rather pointless for an antivirus big_smile. We're even going to need sighted help in removing the damnable thing since guess what, the uninstaller is completely inaccessible these days and even C cleaner can't remove without Avg's own uninstallation program.

I suppose if Avg used to have the good tech support they used to have I could phone them and discuss the problem, accept that said tech support also went down the proverbial  swonny too.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2017-08-24 14:42:38

Well, I am still running Windows 7 and get no error messeges like that from Windows Update.

I quit using Malware byte because it was always a pain in the tail to navigate through.

2017-08-24 17:48:59

Maybe they don't do that with Windows 7. Or maybe it depends on which hardware, the computer has. I don't know. But it happened to me. When I googled it, I got confirmed, that there is indeed an update, that causes this message, to make people switch to Windows 10.

2017-08-24 18:35:09

Maybe I've been lucky, or maybe it's because I still have all the Get Windows 10 from the free upgrade days disabled.

Even though the free upgrade is over except for users of assistive technology, I saw no reason to enable them since I still don't want Windows 10.

2017-08-24 20:45:52

With regards to malware bites, with supernova I remember the main  problem were the action buttons on what  to do with stuff.
running scans, seeing threats, even  changing update times, all fine, just a case of hitting the  right tab and button, but for some reason the program used these very odd message boxes.
You could read the message, but the actual button to click to say  choose an infection to   quarantine, or whether to quarantine and delete or just quarantine wasn't readable.


This sadly also seemed to count the registration box, since I did look at buying malware bites a couple of years ago but then couldn't actually register the thing.
On the plus side, basically all I had to do with most notification boxes was just hit tab once and enter, which would quarantine threats first off, and then empty the quarantine section later which helped.

how Nvda does with malware bites,  I don't know though, since with supernova I was using virtual focus fairly exclusively and oviously things in Nvda are different.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2017-08-24 22:29:47

Malwarebytes is really not that accessible, I use it once a year on the remote boxes and clear stuff, but mostly it finds vary little.
One time it did last month, a user had been looking for things, software which was for skype recording and a few other things.
Instead of asking me he decided to go it alone with expected results.
Clearing the infestations out wasn't the problem, backing up his files wasn't the problem, but as well as destroying the malware the program and other things he used destroyed his sound card drivers which I had to reinstall.
It destroyed all his outlook databases, and office and his user profile.
He uses this system as a box for odds and ends and everything is on the cloud.
So its not the biggest loss, however just fixing all those issues alone is a nightmare.
Especially since he got a system from the lowest shady bidder on the net.
And the hardware is so old and outdated I am not sure if it will survive the next reformat and if that happens it may be easier to just replace it.
So I tried and thank the good lord that the system came back up.
I had to replace one insecure, and quite old and out of date wireless card which had caused a lot of issues, but as far as I care the entire system is a security risk, there are no updates not even hardware security updates because its to old.
it cost him 200 dollars and is cobbled together from junkish bits and bobs.
If the good lord gave me about 2000 dollars today, I'd buy him a reputable system from a reputable dealer.
He has got from the same place a branded laptop, but its a branded laptop.
An hp one, its had some modification, and it to is no longer supported by hp but bar a couple drivers I had to load it runs default microsoft hardware and even hp says it doesn't need anything on its website so I leave it like that.

2017-08-25 08:58:51

Odd there Crashmaster, I used malware bites on two different xp machines and never had any problems with hardware etc, just the issues with the text boxes I mentioned.

It didn't find stuff as often, but since it was auto scanning every day and it was difficult to check the quarantine box  I wouldn't have known if it necessary found anything specific a lot of the time, not  unless I'd by mistake stumbled onto a dodgy site and run a scan just in case.

On the plus side I began using it when I ran across something Avg wouldn't handle, or at least Avg kept getting threat messages and I had an annoying popup constantly appearing again and again which it cleared up fine.
Malware bites though does seem to be one of these things  first time it's likely to find stuff, later it is less so since it eats things up one at a time if you come to them, which is what you want.
this is why I wonder about the accessibility with nvda.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2017-08-25 16:28:38

As far as I know, to get anything like accessibility out of Malware Bytes you have to use some pretty old versions. That was another reason why I quit using it.

2017-08-25 17:47:48

Hmmm, that is odd.
With supernova I had the most recent version of Malware bites up until November of last year on my xp machine, and as I said the majority of the program was okay, it was only those annoying notifications that were a major problem.
I'm actually surprised there isn't an Nvda addon for the thing given how popular it is.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2017-08-25 19:13:59

You do know what you get when you assume?

I don't use NVDA, so whether or not there are Malware Bytes add ins for it, would be of very little use or value to me.

So do as I do and don't assume that anyone uses any particular screen reader.

2017-08-25 20:04:02

@Orko Dark didn't say that you used NVDA, they were just wondering if there's an addon for NVDA that works with malwarebites.

2017-08-25 21:22:12 (edited by Orko 2017-08-25 21:31:24)

Maybe not, but regardless of what he meant, he was responding to one of my previous messeges, so the assumption seems pretty clear.

@Dark, if I am wrong, my apologies.

2017-08-25 23:13:55

Well Aaron said it  [

dark wrote:

I'm actually surprised there isn't an Nvda addon for the thing given how popular it is.

Which is all I meant, just a general comment regarding the status of Nvda support and antivirus programs as per this topic.

If I had been directing the comment more generally I would have used an at sign and the name: eg

@orco to indicate to whom I was speaking.

Still, apology noted, and not a problem.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2017-08-26 00:08:33

Sheesh! You'd think by being visually impaired, this wouldn't be a problem, but you loose so much communicating this way versus face to face or even by telephone.

2017-08-26 01:00:50

There isn't an NVDA add-on for Malwarebytes, which I agree is a shame, given how popular and effective it is. I wouldn't even mind paying for the new version, given how many new features are included with it, such as anti-ransomware protection and so on, but it just isn't as accessible as the older versions. And by older, I mean all the way back to about 1.75 or so. It technically is still supported, meaning it gets definition updates, but for how long, who knows. And that's not a chance I personally want to take when it comes to any kind of antimalware software.

The glass is neither half empty nor half full. It's just holding half the amount it can potentially hold.