2017-03-09 14:56:29

I haven't had that experience of having trouble sleeping, however, I can relate to naps messing up my sleep. Sometimes it may be just a planned two hours that go in to a full 8 hour sleep.

Oh no! Somebody released the h key! Everybody run and hide!

2017-04-14 13:12:53

Hey folks,
I am struggling with screwed up sleeping patterns eversince Winter 2011, don't ask me how it came; hell, I don't know! mad
I think it began when I went to bed as usual, but instead of sleeping between 6-8 hours, I woke up early in the morning between 2 and 3AM, unable to catch any more sleep. As consequens, I became terribly tired during the day and I couldn't keep myself awake anymore.
In the evening, I am usually pretty awake again, but if I went to sleep anyway, I must admit that I didn't have any problems falling asleep real soon. Still, after 3 or 4 hours, I have the same troubles I already mentioned above and, therefore, on and on goes the cycle.

The first two years I was fighting with it, nobody believed me that I had a sleeping problem. Instead, they thought I just stay awake too long in the evening and intentionally don't get enough sleep, which was, of course, not the case. The tiredness I experience is a different one than a normal tiredness. It's like a very harsh fatique you couldn't really get rid of. You desperately try to keep yourself awake, but at a certain point, you are defeated by the exhaustion. It feels like an anasthesia: From one moment to the other, you are back awake and you don't have any idea what went on in between. Normally, I only drift away for 5 up to 15 minutes, but it also happened once in a lesson that I fell asleep, and woke up three quarters of an hour later. Holy hell, you can't imagine how happy I was that nobody realised and nobody asked me anything during my nap!
I am not proud of it, and I found out that I can resist a little longer during the day when I go to sleep later in the night (at 2 or 3AM, for example). Come on, I only sleep up to four hours anyway and I have to get up at 7, so I will at least be awake on time and don't have to struggle with getting back to sleep. Screw it, it doesn't work anyway! And if it works, it is usually one hour before I have to get up and if the alarm goes, I have extreme trouble getting out of bed.

My teachers and classmates didn't take me serious, and so didn't my parents, which was quite depressing. The only one who believed me the whole time was my psychologist whom I consulted during that time. She also told me about this Melantonin, that is been automatically produced by our body when our eyes don't catch sun light or so. Since some of us are not able to catch any light, it is more likely that the production of melantonin is iregular and screwed up, causing this sleeping issue. In this case, the production of Melantonin can be steared by taking certain pills.

But that's just one explanation... As we already heard above from other folks here, the issue is similar, but based on other criteria. At least, after three years struggling with my sleeping issue, everybody finally started to take me serious because they heard of issues similar to non-24. Although this doesn't really get me further, it is a good feeling that all the people finally stand behind me and understand my trouble I have.

Back in 2015, there was a time where I had a few hearing losses. I took Betavistin to cure it, which worked just the way I wanted it to, luckily. But, as always, there was a stupid side-effect involved: It speeded up my blood pressure very quickly, and made me tired even quicker. Friends and classmates told me that I was very quiet during that time, and it was difficult having conversations with me, because I either reacted slower or It took multiple attempts to make me react on something.

I also had to take Prednisone once, due to an infection I had, so I know the side-effects as well (this unhealthy look, for instance). Plus, whereas I have had no appetite during the infection, I had to make sure that I always had something to eat with me or nearby, otherwise I would have turned into a zombie, getting angry pretty quickly. I could also more likely motivate myself to do things, and I didn't fall asleep at school, which surprised my teachers for a little while.
When I was finally done with taking prednisone, the unhealthy look went, and so came my sleeping problems again after a while.
In short: it's a hell of a circle we are all in! sad

A couple of months ago, I read in a blind-related newspaper about some faculties in Germany that began specialising in things like non-24, and they have extra blind-dedicated methods. I consulted the faculty in Münster and argued with my parents until my mother finally insisted. So we went there last week, and they gave me an actimeter, which looks like a watch that you can wear around your wrist. I have to wear it for two weeks, so that they can work with the results to diagnose what is wrong with me, eventually medicating it properly.

At the moment, my sleeping pattern is pretty well. I get tired in the evening, sleep 6-8 hours and stay awake the whole day. But that's just one of the phases where everything is going well, so I am already expecting the next horror phase of non-24, or however we wanna call it.

Feel free to check my blog at
http://www.patrickdembinski.org
Aut enim do tibi, ut des, aut do, ut facias, aut facio, ut des, aut facio, ut facias.

2017-04-14 13:30:04

Paddy, that's pretty much me exactly, including the part where I keep getting accused of deliberately staying up all night.
Melatonin is somewhat helpful, but the problem is that my cycle is shorter than normal, not longer, so I need more help staying awake than going to sleep. As soon as people acknowledge that non24 can go the opposite direction and make it legal to prescribe modafinil for non24, I'll let everyone know.
But, in the US, doing anything medical for non24 is a horrible hassle. The only medication approved for non24 is really expensive (as low-incidence conditions tend to get), medicaid doesn't like paying for it, a sleep study is required and sleep studies exist to sell CPAPs, and to get to that point you have to have a doctor who hears a blind person complaining about sleep problems and thinks "Oh, yeah! I heard about Hetlioz! Think we should try that?", rather than "probably some dumb kid staying up all night on snapchat".
But I just found out that, apparently, Modafinil is approved for OSA (obstructive sleep apnea), which you more or less are guaranteed to get diagnosed with if you do a sleep study. Last I had heard, Modafinil was only approved for narcolepsy and airline pilots. (Also, they added workshift sleep disorder to the conditions for which Modafinil can be prescribed.)

看過來!
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2017-04-14 13:34:23

cae_jones wrote:

well, I have no idea how long this Goldylocks interval... honeymoon period? Denouement? is going to last, so get back to me in a month or two.

The answer is approximately two months. A new high score! Normally it's a miracle if I can fix anything for more than a week out of a year.
But yeah, temporary fix is temporary. And I have no intention of sliding back into the doom pit. So... the next month better be at least as exciting as the previous sentence makes it sound like it should be, blast it...

看過來!
"If you want utopia but reality gives you Lovecraft, you don't give up, you carve your utopia out of the corpses of dead gods."
MaxAngor wrote:
    George... Don't do that.

2017-04-14 14:38:40

Sleeping pattern?

Pfft, please, nocturnal here. I catnap for a few hours then am up and on the go, and have this insanely annoying (for everyone else that is) knack of waking up at 3am and hammering away on a keybord on my laptop. xD Good job I got a thick door between me and everybody else, I need it at times....that, and I ditched my mechaniccal keyboard, I whip that out for Skype calls when people walk off, I hammer on that thing and laugh at the reactions....but sleeping patterns. Nope, Nocturnal here pretty much, or something close to it...

Nocturnal and East Coast time makes for an....interesting sleeping pattern

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2017-04-14 21:11:41

From what I heard, you can get some kind of melantonin-like pills without proscription in the netherlands, but it's very expensive. On the other hand, certain pills still have to be proscribed by a doctor. In general, it is always recommended to first consult a doctor who knows what kind of medicine - in your case - is the best to take.
Yes, this sleeping study you mentioned exactly sounds like what I am currently undergoing. Nevertheless, I hope they can help me somehow.
When I fell asleep and people want to wake me up, I can hear them calling my name, trying to wake me up, but it takes very long until I can finally react.

Feel free to check my blog at
http://www.patrickdembinski.org
Aut enim do tibi, ut des, aut do, ut facias, aut facio, ut des, aut facio, ut facias.