Thanks Mason in advance.
I'm wondering still though, where desafio mortal stands and what code it used. Honestly, I'd jsut like that game back because it had some good concepts. I also think BlinkWizard should be aloud to stay here too. Thus, I ask: Am I aloud to re-open the desafio mortal topic?

@ironcross32: I think the community will speak if a game is nothing but ultrapower itself with nothing else added, and I think those games will just die. With stuff like Desafio Mortal, it shows that expansion is possible from the ultrapower code, and I think if people were to just put up games that had nothing new now, it'd be an utter mess. So, it's up to people to make judgement and not jsut get the code, rename it, and upload, because in the end it will just hurt their development.

Well, much to my disliking, I have set UP free, as stated before. It wasn't a choice I wanted to make, seeing so much of my hard work and others' hard work put to waste. However, I do understand what this means, I'll probably be hated because of my decission. And here's why I chose it.

No matter if I had or hadn't, people were just gonna keep posting UP topics over and over and either way there's nothing we could've done about it. And I really don't care as much what happens to my code.

If someone propperly can expand and update that code, they will prove themselves a decent coder. If it's just a UP clone, then it's not worth anything. Ug I don't know. Any decission I would've made someone wasn't gonna be happy. Sometimes I just wish I'd never created that game and worked on that for so long. I don't know what to do at this point.

Mason, I feel bad that you have been somewhat forced into this position, because the users of your stolen code have shown they are not going to stop.  It's true you are "choosing" to make Ultra power free, but I understand that this is actually a gift you are giving to myself and the other moderators.  This is not a developer happily giving something to the rest of the dev community, this is a person letting the moderator team off the hook, realizing how much work it will be for us to police and battle to stop the future "UP clones".  (I used the popularized term "UP clone" to refer to games created using Mason's original code.)

Mason I thank you.  As a fellow developer I can appreciate what it took to do this, and I believe I understand the reasons behind it.

ok, here's my opinion on this.
even though myself i was a shitty bitch cause i made clones of it back at the end of 2015/beginning of 2016 i really disagree with you mason. can you stop them? ofcourse not. i really don't wanna know how many private clones are made of ultra power and btb, but dude, come on, people are sick of stupid clones on forum. you should really have thought about this before setting it as free. on the other hand i feel bad for the mods for having that much to deal with this, but trust me, i wouldn't do such thing. it's your code, not their. that's what you have to think about. just you and sam know how much god damn time have spent to make this game possible and awesome, and guess what? some stupid person decides to ruin it. and well, the past is the past, but like i said you have to think about more aspects before saying well, i don't give a fuck about this, i'm gonna make it free. you also have to be ok with yourself. cause if now you hate yourself for that, then it's not a good decision at all.
thanks

I guess that's fair.

Hi Mason.
Thanks so much for your decision. I hope this will give less drama in the future. I hope people will enjoy the sourcecode. Do you plan a public release of the sourcecode and maybe the server as well?

As someone who worked with Ultrapower's code after it was leaked, I can only say this: if you want to make a game, I would make it from scratch and not rely o much on that source code. Here's why. First, its your own code. Nothing's better than looking at your own code, and understanding the entire thing. You worked on it, you made it, its just better. Second: The source code to that game can go so far, and the server is very, very, very, laggy! Sure, people can fix it, but that would take quite a bit of work and at that point, you're better off writing your own server. I mean, the way I would put it, go ahead, use some of that code, like the map system, for example. But hey, that's not my decision because whatever you choose to do with the code is your own choice. Mason, I would like to say thank you, for releasing that code to the public and allowing it to be used. At first I was a little bit mad because now that's all we're gonna see, is the forum getting spammed with Ultrapower topics. But hey, your game, your code. If anything you're doing me a favor, trying to stop these people from creating more clones. I have to say that takes a lot out of someone to just give that code out for people to use. While I have done some things in the past that are questionable regarding that subject, I am going to say sorry to whatever I've done concerning that. To be honest, if I didn't get so mad, we wouldn't have to go this far. The plan was to start a new game based on the source code for UP. But no, here I am using the source to log in to UP and eventually giving out the source code. But o well, I can't go back. If I could, I would have never done that.

Hello.
I reading this topic and thinking:
Ultra pover is a good game, in 2016 or january 2017 i searching a code to open server and small modifications.  At the time, I was a bad person. In actually time i thing  With stealing codes is really bad thing Sam did not want me to have someone stole code My game, if I wrote some sort.
greetings

Ta, Aprone. I changed the title and text. For those unaware, it promised that Mason had liberated the code. I mistook his allowing DM for all of UltraPower. I think this is reasonable, if you consider that DM is just one such UltraPower derivative, albeit rather better than most.

But now for the real questions. Mason, if you aren't opening it up, what exactly are you proposing? If we were to allow DM, how is it different from allowing any game? And how will we know which of the games to allow, and which not? And if all it takes to get access to your code is to raise an embarrassing stench on this board, how is it good for the forum, and what kind of a message are we sending that code stealing is OK, you'll get your way eventually, just shout very loudly on a public topic?

I want to respect your wishes, I really do. And to others who have observed, you're quite right it's a bloody difficult and annoying thing to have to do, and we do it because we're principled and give a damn and we don't want to see bad behaviour rewarded. But sooner or later there must come some definite end to this drama. Sooner or later, we will either absolve ourselves, by absolute necessity, of all responsibility of this kind, or simply forbid anything. We'll probably have to write a rule, to the effect of "no theft", regardless, and that's just what every new developer wants to read when writing a new game, I'm sure you'll agree.

Come on Mason, please decide, once and for all. If you want it to disappear, no problem. If you want to give it away and end all the doubt, that's cool too. Whatever you decide, we will respect your wishes, but we will have to make it policy and there can't be any turning back. Thank you.

See, this is hard because I get what you're saying. I just wish MP never happened to be honeest and to say I'll have nothing of it would be unfair. You also have to understand that it's not just my code at stake here. It's Sam Tupy and NS Studios's code and I'm not willing to decide for both of them. I made a mistake in deciding what I did in the first place, not even thinking about Sam or NS. This was a bad move on my part, and me and Sam had a not so nice discussion about it which made me realize some things.

While it's true a lot of you may not like Sam for one reason or another, it is also true that quite a bit of UP's core code was written by Sam. For instance, the initial server code, as well as the inventory and map systems, to name a few.

So as I've said before, I'm not OK with making the final decissions on this one. I hope you understand. I hope that me, Sam, you, and NS can make a final decission that nobody's mad about here.

I think a generalized no theft policy should be in effect. But, its not the Mod team's responsibility to decompile every new game and check it against source code already in existence, its the job of the developer who might suspect their code is being used in such a manner to report it. That, or a concerned player who suspects this.