2016-12-15 20:39:30

I've Always been fascinated in Aircrafts, but it's only recently that I picked up my interest for them again.
I grew up around airplanes, having flown some 100 times on all types of Aircrafts from  props to turbine.
I Always wanted to be a pilot, it's been my ultimate Dream. Then I realized at some Point I couldn't. I knew from Before but the realization dawned on me. It was horrible.
I'm not a Tech freak when it comes to other  things, other than say submarines. I couldn't care less for space, it holds 0 interest with me  what so ever.

I'll update this with more airplane things later, but for now let me ask you a question or two:

if you have flown several Aircrafts, what Aircraft is your favourite, and why?

If you've looked at, read about, watched, listened or know about Aircrafts in any other way which one is your absolute favourite and why?
Feel free to give multiple Aircrafts for each one.
Has anyone here flown a helicopter? I have not, sadly. But my stepdad worked at our local Airport for a while where he flew in a helicopter as well as a glide plane.

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2016-12-15 21:55:43

Hi.Woohoo, I thought I was the only one on here fascinated with aircrafts.
I haven't flown a lot, actually just some times across europe to spain, corsica and latvia.
I have flown with an airbus 320 and 321, and a boeing 747, that really big one with the 4 turbines and seriously good sound.
I picked up real interest in aviation when i started playing microsoft flight simulator and my interest in aircrafts grew. I sometimes go over to live atc and listen in on the comunication between the pilots and the controlers to get a picture what's happening at an airport, just for fun and entertainment reasonns.
Greetings Moritz.

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2016-12-16 02:49:01 (edited by LordLundin 2016-12-16 02:55:49)

hi.

@simba yes ... I'm so jealous of  some of the fs sound effects ... and you can get a lot of nice aircrafts with addons, some are truly fucking amazing. I'll be sharing some amazing fs videos ...
I don't think we ever can get that in audio games sad sad sad

@TJT1234 are there any passanger differences between the normal 747 model vs either of the two dash models and between the dash models?
Damn ... 777, what's it like?
I kinda want to fly the dreamliner because of how supposedly passanger friendly it is ... then again I kinda wanna fly all aircrafts there are lol.
And I haven't heard of the CRJ series, is that Boeing as well?
So out of  these, which one has been your favourite?
Edit: ahh damn! I had no clue that was the Bombardier Aircrafts ... I actually watched a documentary about the Bombardier Challenger earlier today. I thought it was a bomber! big_smile
here's the wikipedia article for anyone interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_CRJ

And here's the Challenger documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlG_OC8s8M
Lol I can't Believe I actually forgot about that one so soon, I was going to build a CRJ for eurofly ... or well ... at least a prototype eurofly one.
I've already built Concorde and a D-Commet, though I'm still struggling to find a good sound for the commet.
Concorde is experiencing some issues ... but I'll only blame eurofly for that. tongue

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2016-12-16 08:27:00

Hi.
No, the CRJ is a bombadier plane, heard of that one.
I also have flown in an ultra light aircraft of a friend at the airport in Dortmund, with his assistance, I also had the control of the aircraft for some minutes and also was alowed to handle the comunication with the ATC controllers, worked ver'y fine and it was a fun experience.
I have not flown in one of those, but I had the chance to climb in to the cockpid of an f16 fighter jet at a fare of the german military and US-military in germany where they had some vehicles and aicrafts on display and with my disability documents, I gained access to some of those and had the ability to snuggle in to the cockpid of said f16, darn, that thing is small. Also, they had a leppard tank around, also a great experience.
Greetings Moritz.

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2016-12-16 09:24:24

* flipping through the forum*
*sees this topic*
*immediately clicks on it*
Ok, while most of my aircraft experience is rc, I have in the passed flown in a few aircraft.
I've flown in a couple prop planes, an ultralight, helicopters, and a glider, technically.
I've really never been able to try the controls, except the ultralight and the first prop craft I flew in.
Other than that, I usually only fly rc stuff, quadcopters mostly, that and eurrofly.
About as close as I'm and most of us are going to get for ease of access and, well, in what other simulator can you, turn everything on, fuel up, and fly? smile

2016-12-16 11:25:35

hi.

@TJT1234 ahh I thought you were talking about the Boeing 747 Dash model which is a modernised version of the Boeing 747, enhanced to be more environment friendly. And Sydney to Los Angeles, that's a long trip over deepest parts of the oceans!
So question for someone who's experienced the differences between various airlines (francly I don't remember too much from my most traficked flying days when I was  young) but all my airlines I flew with gave me amazing service ... then again me or my family hardly go on trips but when we do we don't exactly take the low budget stuff.

@simba fuck you! big_smile
When I was  young I had the chance to go into the cockpit of a huge aircraft, I would say it was a Boeing as those and the Airbus are the most commonly used international crafts over here, but ... my 5 year old pussy self was shy. Also fuck the fact I flew much in my younger days ... because I stood next to the Concorde as it took off! I don't remember anything of it but my mom told us our whole plane (which was next to the Concorde on the tarmac) shook violently.
I was at an aircraft museum in Turkey (probably my best experience with that trip other  than say, the comradity between team members) and I sat in the cockpit of a fighter ... don't know which one.
Damn the fact  my sight is dwindeling ... damn it ... they had an air stunt performance back there and I couldn't see it ... fuck this! lol

@Omar Alvarado hmm what's the difference between microlight and ultralight?
Also ... a glider, technically?
Damn fuck ... you controlled a prop? Fuck my shit. No wait ... don't do that tongue

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2016-12-16 15:33:07

Hi.
I guess ultra and micro light are different wait categories, for example I think the krikri, the smallest twin engine plane, is a micro light plane, it's a french model btw.
Interestingly enough, the head of our blind and visually impaired comunity is a pilot with lufthansa, I think he flys long range flights. I also talked a lot about aircrafts and aircraft technology with him.
i would love to enter a cockpid during take off preperations, would be fucking awesome.

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2016-12-17 19:18:03

I don't know a lot of aircraft stuff but I watch air crash investigation and play a lot of eurofly.

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2016-12-18 05:19:12

Has anyone considered playing MSX with IYP? I know that ZKline does it, and flies on virtual airlines online. THere is also a bvipilots list.

2016-12-18 08:21:45 (edited by hadi.gsf 2016-12-18 08:22:54)

This is a very cool topic, keep it up.
To answer to Orin's question. I have flown with  Itsyourplane. - In fact,  a lot of the new features that are added  was me suggesting them to Robert Cezar, the developer of IYP and he implementing right away. It's been a year or so that I've not done it because I'm really busy with life, But I can  probably help you with FSX, IYP, online flying, VATSIM/IVAO network, and virtual airlines.
I've flied in VATSIM a lot. It's an online network with online traffic controllers and pilots. a lot of them  are very friendly and will help you a lot If you tell them that you're a visually impaired pilot. some of them who are very busy have some different behaviour. but  most of the time, If you're good, They're good as well.
I love online flying with flight simulator. It was an amazing experience and I've made lots of friends that way.

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2016-12-18 18:55:43

omg someone tell me more about this, how to fly with fsx as a visually impaired person?
How much vision is needed?
Francly, eurofly doesn't cut it for my piloting orgasm smile

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2016-12-19 17:41:33

I love traveling, so I have flown quite a bit. at least, for what I can afford through scholarships, school events, family separation aka parents shipping you to the other parent, and work. lol I have been in several different planes, but I think one of the most common is the 737. I did fly in one of the 787 planes, but I didn't notice too much of a difference, other than I can't tell whether the window is open or not, so people next to me could wake up with sun in their eyes. hehe Also the seats seemed to slide forward a bit so it felt like you were leaning back farther, even though it was probably the same. It was a long night flight so I was a sleep for most of it, or at least tried, but kept getting woken up every time there was some tiny turbulance because I think that airline is required to make some big anouncement. The in-flight entertainment stuff was esentially inaccessible as usual, and since my braille sense broke I will probably invest in some sort of mp3 player thing for the trip home.
My first flight was a q-400 I think, and remember it vibrating and having a higher pitch sound than the jet planes. I have also been in a 757, 747, a340 or a350 (I can't remember which), and embrair 145. There might have been more, but I can't remember.
When i was very young my dad worked on these giant Chinook helicopters, and i got to go inside one. I also got to go inside a couple of tanks I think, but I can't really remember too much about that either. I think they were really old with all kind of metal controls. The school for blind people I attended also got a trip to the local air museum for some of the students, and we got to feel up this super old biplane, including sticking our hands in the open 4 cylinder engine. They also took a lot of care to describe this huge world war I thing hanging on the ceiling that could only fly 48 mph and had to be pulled by horses when it was on the ground.
Sometimes when I can't travel i listen to this plane noise simulator on the my noise website, because it has a preset that sounds like when I was coming from Brazil. If you're really in to particular engine sounds the designer of the site made the little interface accessible. Just turn off virtual mode or whatever your screen reader calls the thing that lets you use keyboard navigation and press any of  the numbers to change the 10 pitches and create the plane noise you want. I'm sure someone has already posted this here, but here is the link for the sound I am referring too.

https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/cabin … erator.php

2016-12-19 18:40:05

I also need to know, how accessible is FSX, and where to get it?
It's impossible to get it from microsoft website, it always gives me some kind of 404 error.

2016-12-19 19:59:46

I mean ... how hard could it be to make menus and so accessible? Then you need to make Controls reachable via keyboard ... and also having an accessible output for parameters.
I Think I could take off ... not sure with the sight I have today though ... not sure how it'd be to land though! Lol

@Arcadia the 787 was designed for passanger Comfort ... apparently the windows have mood lightings or something?
Can you desecribe the Embraer in detail, as much as you know?

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2017-07-20 13:39:13 (edited by Green Gables Fan 2017-07-20 15:55:58)

I do want to point out that when it comes to planes and helicopters, watch out! I could really care less about cars, unless they are the really, really old ones, but aircraft? I've flown in piston aircrafts like the Piper Comanche, the Diamond Aircraft DA40, and the Cessna-182 when I did my Sky-dive. The only turboprop I've flown in was another sky-dive aircraft which was a Cessna-208 Caravan. then of course I've flown in commercial turbofan jets. I've even got the chance to check out the cockpit of a Southwest airlines plane. I learned that most planes have a yoke. Imagine cutting off the top part of the steering wheel of your car. You're now left with a U-shaped yoke. Some yokes have two handles connected by shafts that is a full circle. . On the Piper Aztec I toured, the yoke was more like a U shaped in a square form. It had two handles connected at the bottom and open at the top. But in all designs, they pretty much work similar. They have trim tabs that you either move with a pair of pliers, or with some electrical or manual means of adjusting the control surfaces. Most planes I've seen had stabilators, which basically means stabilliser and elevator combined in one. One interesting phenomenon I've observed was that when you first take off, the force of the wind pushes the elevator up, which causes the yoke or control stick to be pushed as far back as it can.
I also learnt about the three main axes of rotation. Imagine drawing a line through the nose all the way back to the tail, and you rotate left and right along this line. That is called a roll, and it is achieved by moving the yoke or control stick left and right, which raises the aileron on one side and lowering it on the other side.  If you draw a line from left to right, from wing to wing, and you rotate the plane forwards and backwards, that is called pitch. It is achieved by moving the elevator of the tail up or down. If it is up, the tail moves down, which points the nose upwards. If the elevator is down, it causes the tail to go up, which points the nose downwards. You do this by pulling the yoke or stick back to pitch the plain back, or push the yoke or stick to pitch forward. These are the y and X axes respectively. Now, if you draw a line from the top of the plain all the way down, and you rotate in a pivotal manner, that is called yaw. It is achieved by moving the vertical rudder with your foot pedals. That is called the Z axis.
Now, if you've read about the Bernoulli's principle states that all fluids rushing over an uneven surface will create a current that is independent of the fluid rushing beneath. Let's examine one of the wings of an air glider or sailplane. Notice how the back end of the wing is very skinny, but the front part is very fat? Do you also notice that the top part of the wing seems to be rather slanted? It goes up from the back all the way to the front. But if you look at the bottom, it's relatively flat. So what this means is that when the wing is pushing against the wind, it causes the current to be split. The wind rushing atop the wing is moving back and down, while the wind on the bottom is only moving back So notice what happens. The flow on top is going by much more quickly than the flow on the bottom. this creates less pressure being pushed on top, which causes the greater amount of pressure on the bottom to push up. This is creating a force called lift. So in short, if you want to know which part of the plane is moving, the leading edge always goes first. The leading edge is the fatter part of the wing, and the trailing edge is the skinnier part. by applying changes to the shape of the wing, you can use the ailerons, which move independently from one another, and in some planes, the flaps located inward, which move together. In some gliders, you have slats or spoilers which act as brakes to slow you down.
Now, propellers work pretty much the same way. The leading edge always turns into the wind, which creates thrust. You can change the RPM by pitching the angle of the blades as well. P-factor describes the phenomenon when a plane's propeller pushes in one direction to get trust. If we are facing the propeller, and it is spinning left, the force of the turning would cause the plane to want to turn right, because of action equals reaction. so you have to have a trim tab pointed to the left to compensate for this.
I'm not going to go much into detail on turboprops, turbojets, turbofans and turboshafts, suffice it to say that they are pretty much the same in how they operate. The turboshaft operates a vertical rotor, which we'll talk about in a bit. The turbofan is simply a turbojet that drives a fan. So imagine the exhaust of the plane. All around it is a force of cold air blowing in a circle. In the middle of this cold air is the hot air from the jet. This causes a significant reduction in jet noise.
Now, let's look at how helicopters work. I won't go over this too much since I'm still learning about them. But the basic idea is this. You use the collective, which is a small lever that looks like the emergency stop in some cars. It even lets you throddle the engine by twisting it like a motorbike. this causes the vertical rotors to pitch with a greater angle of attack. Remember what we talked about earlier? The greater the angle of attack, the more thrust or lift you are going to get. But that also means you need to increase your throddle. Helicopters aren't natural flyers like planes. Planes are designed to fly themselves with very little effort. However, with helicopters, you have to balance out each move to avoid losing control of it.
Anyhow, the next part of a helicopter is the cyclic. In some Robinson models, this looks like the letter T, which has a main column and another shaft that swivels. This is useful for helicopter training. When you move the cyclic forward, left, right or back, you are creating a change in the rotor disc. This is something that I'm still trying to understand how this works. The idea is that you create a disc when you spin the rotor blades. By default, you spin both rotors evenly, which creates an even circle. But if you move the cyclic in one direction, it causes the rotor blades to shift or act in some maner that tilts the direction in which they are spinning. Think of spinning a CD (compact disc) and instead of it moving horizontally, you tilt it at a 45-degree angle so as to make it spin diagonally.
And finally, the pedals at your feet control the pitch of the anti-torque rotor. The more pitch there is, the more the helicopter will spin.
I think this is a pretty long enough post, and I encourage you to check out some air shows near your area so you can demonstrate the new knowledge you just learnt. tongue I love air shows! I also encourage you to get a hold of 3D Velocity so you can practise using a flight controller. Many of these principles applies to this. In fact, my community college has a flight programme, and they use a flight controller as well.
One of the things I'm really fascinated by is astrophysics and how things behave in apparent or true weightlessness. So I did some research on various space capsules and space planes. I won't go much into these here, but one of the interesting things I like reading about is how the human body perceives spatial disorientation and other sensations when it is moving in directions that we are not meant to perceive. This is why pilots can't rely on their vestibular systems to tell them where they are in space. Some pilots are actually trained to close their eyes, or be blindfolded altogether and they are asked various questions about where they are in space.
Anyhow, happy flying!

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2017-07-20 13:41:16

At the penultimate post, why do you suppose the aircraft moved down the runway with less force? That's something I've also noticed and have wondered about.

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2017-07-20 14:47:18

Alight, time to be insanely jealous.

I have a few good friends at an ARB, and they can pretty much, along with the MPs on that base, get me pretty much anywhere. I have, via a lot of form signing and strict guidance, been able to poke around everying from an F-18 to a C-5 and ridden in the ollowing:

C-16, C-5, Fa/18, L-188 (cargo...no clue why the hell it landed though), B-17 and a Catalina

I have, under strict supervision, managed to perform the takeoff roll of a C-5 on a sim, I have crewed up on a B-52 in a high end sim with serving personnelll and managed to do the radios while hthe other guys did their stuff, and for the best one, I got into a C-5 for a poke around and was asked, hey, you want to do thet takeoff roll, by a pilot, and the technical sarge patted me on thet shoulder and escorted me to th re right seat. So...yeah, I was somehow able to perform the takeoff of a Galaxy and this was, bear in mind, one of the ones they didn't quiet down so it screamed all the way. Just reaching down and shoving the throttles orward, yep wasn't ready for the fact that thing sounds like iit's gonna break apart.

The highlight of the flying though has to be this: The ARB near me has a yearly airshow. I got, via a few friends on the base, a call I figured was a joke, a 'hey, you wanna go ride with the Blue Angels', who are the USAF display team. Turned up expecting a joke. No, I got to go up in a two seaterr F-18, and II got offered the chance to fly it.

I'm five ten, 100 pounds. Don't ask me how the hell they thought I could withstand seven G, but I flew it for a few minutes and just about went through the seat when the aterburners kicked in and the plane just about went into a cobra, so...yeah, that's my interesting flying experiences, sadly the guy I knew retired from the air force so I can't easily get back on that base now....but I had fun while I could.

Oh I've also hung around aircraft mechanics and gotten the chance to try the full motion simulaotors the professsional pilots use. Here's a thing I didn't realize. At least in the sim, full motion rig, you can learn what things are by feel, the gear handle is different from the flap handle, and so forth so once I knew where things were by feel I could go down through a checklist with the captain telling me what and looking to verify I'd done it right. I wouldn't ever wanna do that on a real plane but for the sim, rig it was insanely cool.

So yep, there's my flying experiences

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2017-07-20 14:49:56

Hi.
At tjt, haha no, i think I explained that wrong. In germany we have something like the NFB, over here it's called the BEBSK. The head of the BEBSK is sighted and I know him quite good.
He and his wife are long range pilots for Lufthansa.
Greetings Moritz.

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2017-07-20 15:48:18

Oh my gosh I hate you! LOL JK. I wish I could do a lot of those things you mentioned. I seriously need to get involved again. I want to control a motion simulator so I can hopefully work with colleges and universities on making flying more accessible for people of all abilities.

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2017-07-25 19:55:00

Alright here is an idea. Airships! Airships! has anyone considered that they are also air crafts.
I have always found them very interesting because of there amazing power or ability to move around tons of cargo without using that much power. in fact the British military are now using a hybrid airship concept as there major cargo transport solutions. Am I the only crazy one on here who wishes the airship flight simulator was a thing, and totally accessible for the blind? Anyway thanks for letting me have this topic for a second, you may all return back to your awesome and very interesting scheduled programing! lol.

2017-07-25 20:30:16

When I was younger, I read about aeroplanes and dirigibles. They were sometimes combined, and in Tom Swift books they were things like the Red Cloud, the Black Hawk, the Flyer, etc. Nowadays, they are called blimps. The Hindenberg, which exploded due to hydrogen instead of helium, was one of the largest airships in existence. I've always wanted to tour the Good Year Blimp, or check out an airship.

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2017-07-29 23:58:20

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2017-07-30 22:57:22

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2017-07-31 22:08:31

Interesting topic. I am sorry for not really having anything to add. Anyway, has anyone listened to the Airplane Geeks Podcast or the Airline Pilot Guy podcast ? I have been in a jet before, but I do not recall what type. I was heading from Nashvill Tennessee up to denver to go skeeing with some people. There is one of time I went up in a prop, but I do not recall the type. I was in the co-pilot seat and I do recall holw the control felt while taking off. It was as if you could fill the wind under the wings tthrough the controls. Yes, the pilot had everything under control. I just am not at the seem level as everyone else in this topic when it comes to the freak level. From time to time, I like learning back at the history of aircraft. I remember reading something about how the 707 and the 747 came into being. As I recall, the 707 came in to being around the time when airlines did not see a need for jets and where said airlines did not think highly of them at all. I have to go dig up the info again to see what exzackly happened there to change the mind of airlines. I will post the title of the book I read as soon as I can remember.

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2017-08-01 22:39:01

Ive flown in an Embrair 170 and a 190. Also, a Boeing MD 80 and Boeing 757.

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