Exactly, for most companies, they use accessibility as a marketing tool, not because they give a crap about the visually impaired, because they don't, all they care about is their bottom line on their profit and loss statements.

The only companies that might really care, and even that is questionable, are the companies making assistive products, from low tech white canes to high tech screenreaders and brail displays, that help make our lives a little bit easier and enjoyable.

@figment,
No joke; raising two kids has finally done a number on me.  I came down and I came down hard... Still not feeling the greatest but a guy's gotta do what a guy's gotta do.  Thanks for the well wishes.
At everyone else, if Fs removed eloquence from JAWS because a new, supposedly greater sounding synth came out and eloquence is the most obsolete thing ever compared to this new synth, you would probably launch the most massive complaint campaign the blind and vision impaired community has ever seen, and rightfully so!  Why is it ok for Apple to get away with murder compared to that?

I also won't be upgrading because of the headphone jack issue as well. At first, i thought it wouldn't be a big deal, but the more i read, the more the proprietary nature of the design just bugs the crap out of me. Again, this is from a guy typing this on a macbook air right now, i like this machine, and my iPhone 6, and i'm good right here, i don't need an upgrade, unless i was compelled by some mind-blowing feature, but it's not in the iPhone 7. Now if they do this to any future MacBooks, i'm done with the company. I'm willing to bend quite a bit, as long as it doesn't hamper my productivity. I have spent enough time with windows 10 to conclude that it's not for me. So it's down to apple and linux boxes, let's hope apple doesn't trash it's computer line as well.

@Figment,
I don't know that there's anything that brings me relief from a cold anymore.  Once upon a time NyQuil used to do the trick nicely enough; I'd just take a dose and fall asleep, which I personally believe is the best thing one can do when one's this kind of sick anyway, other than drinking tons of fluids.  I don't know if NyQuil has changed over the years or what have you, but it no longer helps, either, so for the most part I just do my best to tough it out.  I'm getting older, too, so maybe that's part of it.

@figment, completely echo your sentiments in post 80!
@Griff, as I said, Apple may have a commitment to accessibility... but appearances are not everything. apple is not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, at least, not only that... they are a multibillion dollar corp, and one thing people need for competition is appearance. Apple may have a commitment to accessibility on the surface, sure, and as long as I have it, I don't care... but I'm just saying that it can't be avoided that anyone who thinks Tim Cook and the boys are doing this only because they care about their products being accessible is living in a romanticized reality. It's as much because they care as it's about being able to hold that up in front of consumers for popularity and appearance. Hey look how good a company we are... we include everyone, unlike these other people *cough* samsung *cough* who don't put a priority on accessibility. but we do!

True that. and having said that, I wasn't pointing that answer at you specifically... more as a general point that many people in the blind community are zealously loyal to apple because of what they consider apple's charitable goodness and how much they are willing to help us. And like I said, I'm sure that to a point, there are some higher ups who do care. It's just idiotic to tout that as the justification for sticking with Apple... and so many blind people act indeed as if they think that apple is just so good and generous and forget that marketting and good will matter. I'm not saying that they don't care, just that accessibility is not a priority for the same reason people believe., necessarily. But again, I don't care about their motives... it doesn't effect me. Just so long as I have an accessible product... I hate Apple's ecosystem and being locked into it much more.

Right now, I'd say Apple is still best, at least in the mobile department... but that may change in the next few itterations of Android. Hard to say though, as there's much less centralized information about android accessibility.

Samsung the Great will also remove the traditional 3.5 MM jack headphone port on its next flagship Samsung Galaxy s8, the great!
Let's go altogether,  bitching about Samsung as well!
I am the first! Follow me!

Go Apple go.
http://www.sammobile.com/2016/09/14/rum … tary-port/

oh boy oh boy! A format war!
Y'know... It's like we used to have this neet thing... a tiny port that was on everything. We could plug into it, Send our audio out to anything. speakers, headphones even those things you could put in car tapedecks. Now I'm about to go visit my friend. I better remember the 3.5mm to apple converter for the car, the Samsung to apple converter because my other friends always forgetting hers, the converters to turn both those connections into USB C for the dock at his place, and the thing that puts audio out of phase so that I can use The thunderstrike connecter on the sony dock at my other friends place. Few Glad I remembered all that. Gotta dash now... Take care all!

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Why not get both platforms and reap the benefits of both? As for Android, get a Nexus. I don't care about these other companies if all they want to do is skin Android and make my life difficult. Stock Android is awesome! If I have my way, I'll be getting one of the new Nexus phones and still keep my iPhone. A sim adapter will let me swap my sim from phone to phone so I get the benefits of both platforms.

Ahoy there

Exodus +1 man. you sir are hilarious

along similar lines, If you ever need proof that accessibility is not just a scheme to garner goodwill as a marketing strategy, go to applevis and look at all the new accessibility features that come out with each major release of IOS

how about getting a blu r1 hd phone for $110 with 16gigs storeage and 2gigs ram and quad core processor android 6 marshmallow with talkback screen reader?