Hmm. Not sure how impressed I am with dramegon any time it comes up against another dragon type. They just throw draco breaker, which hurts like a ninny anyway, plus there's that yummy dragon weakness, which just makes it worse. I was using it mostly for water damage, and I'm sure there are better water types to be used. Hydrake maybe? Something else? Error is decent enough, but but the random misses that can't be planned around or accounted for just really make me wonder what the hell I was thinking to bring this one along. You have power surge, which is neat, but again, omg the misses! Doing zero damage on an attack is not really all that useful. Not sure what's better, this one or jimitron which is fragile and dies in one hit to a lot of stuff. Banyardan, I dunno. Seems like he just stops being useful later on in the game. Really I never use it all that much in the later stages. You got sleep spray, which misses, a lot. You got toxic spray, which misses some too and I don't usually keep stun spray. Being able to hit air types with earth attacks is cool, but omg, earthquake at 56? I think pandourbit gets it at 49 or something. As far as ranking which starter is best, between leafox and the water starter, I think I prefer the water one. Haven't tried the flame one yet but what I've read suggests he's kinda blah. I wonder why the higher level shops don't really sell anything different than any of the others? You get to the master stadium and still no shop that sells full revives? No discount on healing herbs?

Erroir blows jimitron out of the water so long as sparking tail hits. However, jimitron is carried a little bit closer by the breeze of erroir's missed attacks, which is definitely a problem. I like accuracy. Jimitron definitely has that. I can reliably count on his moves to land. But he is also reliably killed in one or two hits to just about anything, which is also a problem. I don't like having to think, if this lands I'm golden. If it misses, I'm in trouble. Really hope he bumps the accuracy on some of those up a bit. Btw what does the accuracy number mean? I thought it was like a percent? As in, 100 accuracy means 100%. I think earthquake has that, but I don't have the game open atm to check. If that's so, why then does earthquake still miss, especially on groups? Sleeping things is cool, but again, only when it hits. I get that banyardan is best used to put things to sleep and then open up until you kill whatever you're fighting. But you're relying on a lot of randomness, starting with whether or not the move lands, and then how long does it stay asleep? It could be right away, or it could be in 5 rounds, and there's no way to know how long it's gonna be that I know of. Also, is it just me, or is the freeze that comes from psycho trick kind of, er, pointless? It says they're frozen, and then the next line, when it's their turn, it says they're no longer frozen. That's not even one round. Bleh.

Found what I'm quite sure is another bug.

So, I decided to really and truly try Simulon. It really is pretty awful to start with, its attack stat is just terrible. By the time it evolves for the last time at 45, its attack is mediocre instead of awful, and both defenses are quite good.
So here's the bug. This line gets Tunnel, but if it uses it, the move will hit over and over and over again. In other words, if you use Tunnel once, you'll be locked into using the move over and over without a choice once it hits. This is not how Tunnel is supposed to work, and it's not how I've seen it work on other manamon, so I really don't get it. It's either a hidden Simulon perk (which I seriously doubt) or it's a bug (which is what I suspect).
Apparently Simulon gets a move called Stone Avalanche or something, and I want to see if it gets anything else besides. That, and I want to know how good Stone Avalanche is. This might be one of those manamon best suited as a wall with some attack capabilities, sorta like a poor man's Fiendour with more weaknesses.

Took Guerrerrol to level 64, and the last thing it learned is Gammadrain. Fair warning: a plant-fighting type royally hates the move Toxic Storm. In raising Guerrerrol, I realized something. The Master Stadium really isn't kind to plant and/or fighting types. Plant types can't stand the first or second tamer, and as for the third one, both Arctana and Submenno are fast and will tear them up with ice attacks. If they're plant-poison, Squarpha also messes them up. And if they're not plant-poison, Turoison can screw them up a bit with Toxic Storm+Rehydrate combo. Really not very nice. Too bad we don't see stuff like Eksponge and Fingon in that fight. And then the fourth tamer is sound-based, so there's a bit of a reprieve there. The stadium master doesn't, at last count, have anything actually weak to plant on his team, and there are a couple (Dragomier comes to mind) which will wreck plant types.
Fighting isn't too much better. I'm coming more and more to realize that having a fighting type really isn't a huge deal. Your go-to types appear to be magic, water, earth, electric and maybe air. Ice too, but that's mostly for Irroadium.

I've seen the bug you mentioned in a previous post. the mon makes the dying sound but keeps doing damage and taking damage and playing the dying sound. On a move like shred that hits more than just two or three times, this is actually kind of funny. I'm guessing banyardan's plantness is what makes it less usable in the end game. Maybe I'm doing it all wrong but I just see too many things that take it out with one hit. I'm curious about other manamon but I just could not be bothered to grind them up.

Oh dear. I must've missed those and/or forgot about them. They ring a faint bell though.

I've been experimenting with Sansurgion...and guys, this one's not bad. At level 50 he's got 155HP, 111 defense and 118 special defense. Attack and speed are 86, special attack is 98 (though it doesn't really get any good special attacks to use). Learned Pollution Solution at 50, and it's also got Ooze Blast and Takedown. This might be the best poison type in the game, unless you folks know of something that eclipses it. Poison is kind of a bum type, but this is another "poor man's Fiendour"...won't utterly destroy what it hits, but doesn't die by being flicked either.

Myaneko...I'm sorry, but it's brutal. Loads of HP, nice speed, crappy everything else. And it gets so many attacking moves off crappy stats. Its only saving grace is Retribution.

At this point, I'm just testing out manamon to see their stat spreads and their movelists where possible, rather than restart yet again with no further ideas. I've only got a few left.

Trumer appears to be a bust. Nice HP, everything else is average, and insect-poison makes it weak to all kinds of stuff.

Stone Avalanche is a nice move though.

Can you imagine if most if not all of the luck were taken out of the game, or at least made much more insignificant? I'd love to see my attacks miss a lot less frequently than they do. But I also know that a lot of the strategy for beating irroadium revolves around luck. If paralyzed, does he skip enough attacks? If confused, does he hit himself enough? If you're using ice attacks, do any of them freeze him? If so, how long does he stay frozen? And then, for anyone on your team not immune to shadow, how many oblivion attacks missed and gave you the time you needed rather than hitting you and killing you outright? That's all luck. You're certainly not going to brute force your way through him without a lot of grinding. Like days and days of grinding. I prefer strategy over luck for the simple fact that you can control strategy. But currently, my strategy for beating irroadium is luck, which is definitely a problem

Just picked up the update. Thanks, Aaron, for 1, reconsidering Meteor Rush, and 2, being more detailed in the change log. I know we've been on your case for the latter a lot. It was definitely not my intent to be annoying or rude about it.

As for Bellaard, I've never trained one past simply transforming Chingle, but I do tend to groan inwardly when I have to face one, because they seem to be fairly bulky, can inflict 2 statuses, and attack with 2 types (3 if you count the fact Heaven's Winds is also part air). They're absolutely wrecked by undead, but other than that, I've rarely been able to one-shot them.

Here's what I mean when I say I don't get how to grind up some mon efficiently. Here we have a deciced, level 15, and I want to level it quickly. that's easy enough for a while, stick an exp pal on it and kill stuff in the area before the master stadium. But that starts to drag on as it gets into the 40's. so we have tangeria sea, where everything is ice and water, so that means I do ineffective or neutral damage only. We have the tangeria tower, which is nice, but killing hundreds of things per level surely does get old in a big hurry. We have malorene valley. The air stuff dies in one hit, so that's nice. But we have redonkius, one powerkick and I'm dead. We have miterosier, one hit from white lance and I'm dead. There's bearran, which I don't have anything to kill it quickly so it's just tit for tat until something dies. It's why I just go ahead with what I've already got instead of trying out others or just waiting around for people on here to share their findings of what works and what just doesn't. Kinda curious about enchantethol, meteor rush, toxic tail I think and daring comeback, but blah! it has to be leveled up. Some I just know about from reading here and seeing on playthroughs. Snowmonno is just, no! Lots of hp, gooooooood! No defense, baaaaaaad... Viralite can cause problems if it's not killed quickly, but it's also pretty easy to kill. So I don't even bother with those. Ghoperto looks like another one of those that can cause problems if not killed quickly, but is likewise pretty easy to kill. Does it get anything besides sing and night terror, and fly? Promolder seems like another nono. Oh, that yummy weakness to plant and water, so it's just another easy kill.

If you can mention how you trained it (since the game will tell you), then yes, that will give me an idea of what to expect.

Promolder/Craggallem is actually not half bad. Needs a stronger stone move, but being immune to electric, resistant to standard and air and poison...well, that gives some handy tanking options, especially early on. Craggallem's not ungodly slow (I think Pandourbit is slower), but yeah...double weakness to plant and water is very dangerous. You bring it in when you know it's safe, you take it out when you know it's not.

It's quite tedious trying to raise manamon before you finish the master stadium. Once you have access to the postgame there's a route with level 60-65 manamon on it, plus if you have something with Oblivion Slash (Tigrath, Dussoket, Irroadium at level 75), you can do the EXP trick. You can literally get 17000-18000 exp for one of your weaker manamon. It starts being a bit of a drag after around level 40-42 or so, but it takes so much less time that a little more grinding, or taking it through the master stadium with an EXP Pal for a few easy levels, becomes potentially worth it.

Just tried out Titomaton. It's...meh. I can't really complain, since it does get Superspark and it uses its decent special attack. It has a lot of HP and special defense, and it's surprisingly not slow (Jimitron is faster, but Titomaton has about 95 speed at level 50). Only thing is, it's part steel type. This means it's even weaker to earth, plus it's also weak to fire, and the only steel move it's got so far is Iron Tackle, which comes off its pathetic attack stat. Really wish there were a couple of special-type steel moves to let more specially-oriented manamon shine. Ditto physical sound moves. There aren't any at this point. Either way, this one's not bad, but I still think I like Dussoket, Mondevol and even Erroir better.

Ugh. Slowly, slowly getting to the point where I've trained everything up into the mid-40s or thereabouts to see how good it is. It's a slog, but you know me...always digging for information.

There's one main difference between Ghoperto (two, really). One is Avenging Spirit, which is an awesome ability. The other is that Ghoperto actually has decent defenses, and probably won't die in one hit. You can use the Sing+Night Terror combo with Fly, it's true. If this think had Spirit Force, it'd be just about perfect. I was dubious when I first saw it, but its stat spread, while not insanely good, is certainly not bad. Hits respectably hard too.

Yeah I'm not quite to exp trick territory yet. I mean I can do it sort of with the mon I have access to, but that only nets a few k at a time I think, not quite the same tigrath seems like a ninny to me. his oblivion slash was missing all over the place and didn't seem to be able to kill stuff in one hit like irroadium did. but omg... you get him at level 70, and he's kinda just there until he hits 75 and then the real fun begins. So, mondevol is nice, how about between dussocket and error? Which one wins out?

I thought I'd have both mondevol and erroir on my team, and it kinda worked, but it seems like I could do better. Erroir does hit hard, er, when his move hits, but he seems kind of fragile. Not as fragile as jimitron, but still kinda fragile. And, he's fast! Plus power surge was kind of nice when I went through the group fights throughout the game.