2005-12-03 05:26:01

Hey

AssaultFreak, I don't think I like you. I am gonna go on each page of my

website and see if it pops up ads, and it, doesn't! The reason there's no

news is cause nothings gone on! What am I supposed to write, we are reading

manuals and ggetting sounds? NO! You be patient! You know what? We are

making this game so 1, cause we want to, and most importantly 2, so you

people have a darn game to play! So if you complain like freaking 2 year

olds then we won't release the game at all! We'll just use it for us to

play! So be, freaking, patient! I don't see cx2 and some others complaining

about our site but you! So, keep your damn comments in your freaking head

AssaultFreak! P.S. Sorry for the long post, but I had to say this. Remember,

you AssaultFreak the same dummy who had "f" u Mike as his signature?

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-12-03 05:27:34

Look,

I am back, just went on every darn page of my site, not, one, single, ad!

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-12-03 05:42:24

Mike:
I can't remember ads on your site for the record, but haven't been

visiting many games sites lately. If there were ads it is possible that it

is either:
1) Adware on assault freak's computer
2) Ads popped up byyour

web host, sometimes happens.

I would suspect it is adware, the ads

usually seem to pop up whilst you're changing web sites anyway.

And yes,

it's the same assault freak that had the f**k you mike sig. If I recall I

berated you both, but now I sense you are the one being more reasonable. Try

to take the edge off your posts and we might be able to defuse this

situation yet. Not complaining, just trying to stop another flame

conflict.

cx2
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To live by honour and to honour life, these are our greatest strengths and our best hopes.

2005-12-03 06:00:39

Having

screen reader trouble, so I'm double posting. Sorry.

I'd just like to

point out that the GMA news page hasn't been updated in over a year, so you

can't touch Mike there.

Me defending Mike? Is the world about to end?

tongue

cx2
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To live by honour and to honour life, these are our greatest strengths and our best hopes.

2005-12-03 14:01:44

Hey

Mike,

Stop whining like all you care about is you're shitty, decapitated

website with no games on it, and with you're shitty programming skills...

Oh guys, by the way, he's lying. Remember that thing he posted a few days

ago, need help with "sound" in VB? Hmm. Sound. Looks like he doesn't even

know what "program" is, or "sound" is. Hey Mike, just in case you've been

dropped on you're head two many times, the sound is the core of your game.

So this means you haven't started coding yet and probably never even read

manuals.

I won't be going to you're website to find in the news section

"Hi all,

HQAG will now seese to develop games because I am afended of all

the audio gamers out there.

Or, aanother one might be that you're

sleeping or doing some rather... bad activities elsewhere, which we will not

get into here..

Doesn't it seem that every topic write Mike writes, the

first page is the discussion half, and the second page is a thread to

afending Mike. So, Mike, raise you're common sense a little and we won't

have to do this.

Now I mean I was seriously saying that, those other

things were jokes. But seriously dude, if you want some rep in the comunity,

don't just start making a side scroller, make a bloody game that doesn't

take as much programming!

Or with you're skills as they stand now;

nothing.

Hey CX2? May I have you're MSN? i don't know, wanted to add so

we can talk about WF and stuff.

2005-12-03 17:38:41

I'm

not on MSN unfortunately. I avoid instant messaging, I've never had a need

for it and it opens you up to virus and hacker attacks. You can have my

email. Please noone misuse it:
[email protected]

I would also like to point

out that half of this thread was taken up with arguments about the worth of

Hal, which is not Mike's doing, and this time I don't think Mike started

the hostilities. I can't say I think posting a whole topic on google ads at

L Works was the right thing to do though.

cx2
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To live by honour and to honour life, these are our greatest strengths and our best hopes.

2005-12-03 17:39:04

hay

mike, do you actually have msn? i want to talk to you, but not on this

forum, because they will start saying "don't do this" (i will not say what

i am asking for here, but if you have msn mike... i will be glad to add

you)
orin: how do you know he's lying? you do not! it's a company in the

beginning stages, so it takes a while to make a first game!
and one more

thing mike.
i recogmend you should try to make something simple first, not

a side scroller. i am not telling you to stop making z16, i am trying to

give you advice, so if you read manuals, and things... well, guess the

number will let you learn from your mistaches, learn from skills etc. guess

the number is a good one in my oppinion, (alright guys, we have lots of

number gbuessing games but it's still good for a beginner), also try

simon.
what do you think, mike?
oh and if mike replies, dont start

offending him. that's what makes him stop. that's what made kyle stop,

remember? it was mike who stopped kyle. what if mike i s nmaking games? it

will be us who stops mike! i! dont! want! that! i love gaming, i love games,

and... best of all, audiogames!!!!

2005-12-03 18:13:24

I think

that's the standard advice. Personally I wouldn't even try games at first,

just snippets of code to see how things go and what I can do with what I

have at hand. That's just me though, I always learn by playing with bits of

code to see what I can make the computer do.

cx2
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To live by honour and to honour life, these are our greatest strengths and our best hopes.

2005-12-03 22:06:47

Yes,

I have MSN [email protected] please don't send me any crap by email other

whiners, but Aaron you can add me to MSN but whatever you want to tell me

better be good! I have a feeling it will. As for the sidescroller seems a

long way away, but I'm sure it'll come up eventually. As for AssaultFreak

seing ads, i think it's his adware, cause my webhost even though a free

host doesn't show ads, maybe occasional but otherwise I've never seen an

ad on it.

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-12-04 00:42:25

There's an add on the bottom of your page. Not the only one I've

seen, but it might be my adware...

Discord: clemchowder633

2005-12-04 09:30:21

it

took me like 30 minutes to read this topic cause there were a lot of new

posts, and i only heard offending for the most part.
i don't totally agree

with assault freak. also about hal, if aaron's using hal, then he's using

hal; and hal is a program. i tried it and it was pretty cool, but jaws was

better for me. and yes, jaws is simple for me, but if you have some

experience with jaws, i twill be pretty easy once you get used to it, so

will hal be.
about the ads: they were actually pretty funny, not about

those word games, but pigeon panic, there's an ad something about pigeons.

it was kinda funny.
and yes, Mike is kinda right.

2005-12-04 14:10:04

mike,

i added you. it's [email protected], so if ya get a message

about that, ya can go ahead.
a window should come up withsomething like

"alow this person to see you online" and stuff, just click ok. i should see

ya on there.
reguards
aaron
[email protected]
this is

actually my dad's msn address, well it's both my parent's. i dont have an

msn account.
my real e-mail, however, if anyone around here wants to drop

me a line,
is:
[email protected]
i hardly get email these

days, if i do it's in my bulk folder, i have 42 messages (yes, 42!) in my

bulk folder!

2005-12-04 15:07:41

I

know the ads were kinda funny, I did say that

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-12-05 19:12:09

Regarding the ads:
This happened on th4e warring factions forum. There's

a guy calling himself Hepatitis C for some reason, and when some of his

battles got put on the recent battles list at the front page all the ads

suddenly became about the illness Hepatitis C. He started a topic in the

flamewars section of the forum, reserved for being silly and such, titled "I

have infected the front page". A little childish perhaps, but mildly

amusing.
This h

cx2
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To live by honour and to honour life, these are our greatest strengths and our best hopes.

2005-12-06 01:51:16

Let's see. You've proven that you visit Liam's site and noticed the ads,

so now he knows taht you've noticed that. And maybe you'll see his names. 

And now you've succeeded in giving L-Works a ton of free publicity cuz

others will go to the site to see the ads or the site.  Way to go.  Oh and

your message about not whining like a two year old in that really whiny

tone? priceless.

2005-12-06 11:17:02

When I

did check Mike's site, it had the following.
Free Domain Name -

www.YOU.co.nr
yes it is at the bottom of the page, but it makes no

difference.  Whether or not a certain piece of access technology works well

or not isn't the issue.  I think the issue is that someone doesn't like

the fact I am trying to make money.  Let's face it, this is the problem. 

You don't like the fact that I don't run ads, ads help me keep producing

games, there for you don't like the fact I'm trying to make money.  I also

suggest you refrain from calling my fellow developers idiots.  Mike, you

will find that in a professional environment, that kind of talk burns

bridges.  As a developer, I can say that after reading your posts I would

never do any sort of business with you.  I find you to be very childish. 

I'm not sure how old you are, nor do I care.  But, here's a piece of

advice from one stable developer to an "Aspiring" one.  Grow up.  Do this

community a favor, and grow up.  I know I've written this before, but I am

forced to go on a major tirade, so bare with me.  I am not the smartest

person by any means.  I am not the best coder, designer, or writer.  I do

have one thing that helps me out.  This is common sense.  A lot of younger

developers lack this severely.  I tend not to visit this forum due to the

lack of intelectually stimulating conversation that has appeared to taken

place as of late.  I'm certainly glad to see that there are those who can

express themselves in an adult fashion.  Now, am I no way suggesting that I

am an intelectual giant, I am only stressing that I feel these forums are

pointless to read at times.  But, let me get back to why I am writing this. 



When a young developer feels that he/she want to create a game, or start

a so called game company the following happens.  First, they think of a

name, usually like Franky's game company.  Second, they then make up an

idea for a game.  Franky's game company presents shoot the frog.  Then, and

this is my favorite part.  They decide to release a "press release".  I use

the term press release lightly.  It looks more like this.  Hi Everyone I

have an awesome game Im werking on it's called shoot the frog you'll like

it alot it's eksiting.  Finally, they get a free website, learn the basic

basic html tags, and start there site.  Of course, they forget the most

important part.  They forget to learn to program in a suitable programming

language. 

To be fair.  I have seen a few developers who have plopped

down some quality work.  this is the kind of thing that makes me happy.  I

started LWorks when I was 16, and my first project was horible.  However, I

never have called LWorks a company, and I also never make myself look bigger

than I actually am.  Oh, and one more thing.  I never release info about a

game until I can learn how to code it.  There have been projects I have

released info on, and haven't finished, but this is due to time constraints

and not my lack of knowledge.  I have working prototypes of everything I

have ever posted about.

In conclusion.  if you are going to write a

game, or start a company, and btw company is the wrong damn word.  But, I

will save that for a different soap box.  anyways.  If you want to write

games, that's fine.  But, don't start crying when noone gives you respect.

Mike.  I do not have any respect for you as a programmer, until you can

prove to me you know what you're doing.  If you want to blow smoke, that is

terific.  When you have been doing this for three years, have released

several successful titles, and have had a chance to speak at conventions,

then look me up.  I'd be honored to congratulate you myself.  And, I'm not

bringing these things I've done up to make myself look bigger or better.  I

just want to make a point.  Anyways.  I know this strayed so far from google

ads, and I know that it is sloppily written, but I hope that everyone learns

at least one thing from this post.  If you want to send any questions,

comments, or hate mail my way you can do that at [email protected].

Much less active on this forum than in the past.

Check out my live streams: http://lerven.me
follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/liamerven

2005-12-06 12:08:23

I

knew there sere several reasons I admired you, Liam.

Check out my Manamon text walkthrough at the following link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z8ls3rc3f4mkb … n.txt?dl=1

2005-12-06 22:31:47

Liam,
I never said I don't want you to make money, actually I don't

care! And are you telling me i can never buy a game from L-Works again? What

did I do! And look, the game thingy might look dumb now, but we are working

on it. Seriously, I want anyone who wants games from us and who is not gonna

whine about us using a free webhost etc. to post to this. If no one posts,

well obviously you don't want games from us, so we might as well quit! I am

asking, you people, if anyone of you would apprecaiate games from us, to

post here. We are not gonna make games for nothing. So? And Liam I did not

mean anything mean about your ads. I was just pointing out. Your games are

very good, (well except for L-Works Arcade I wouldn't but that ween you can

find free games like that on the internet, at least sighted people can).

Again, thats a whole nother thing I won't even go into here. Well anyway I

am sorry Liam if you got the wrong impression.
Mike
P.S. I'll be waiting

for those replies...

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-12-06 22:56:45

I'm

not commenting on whether I'd like a game from a particular individual, or

group of individuals, until I've actually at least played a demo. Unless or

until that happens I'm reserving all judgements on the worth of said games

and said individual or individuals abilities.

No offence Mike, I just

can't make these decisions without some knowledge above what already

exists. It's asking a lot to expect people to say "Yes, we want games from

QAG" when they only have a text description and the discussions on here to

go by. Ask again when there's at least some sort of demo released. And

since you've already said the games will be free, how about using public

betas? You get more testers, and if it works for audio quake... It also

happened with normal Quake actually, they released the "Quake Test" as it

was called.

cx2
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To live by honour and to honour life, these are our greatest strengths and our best hopes.

2005-12-07 02:49:39

Yeah,

I think that would be good...I might consider starting smaller than the side

scroller.

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org