No rules

no rules means that you can't accuse people of cheeting when there is no rule to prevent it.

True, no rules is a bit dicey, and should be avoided at all costs, but who doesn't make mistakes please stand up and throw the stone... I'm not sure what qualified as cheating, but i'm sure that somehow duplicating items wich you originally have to buy qualfies as unacceptable behaviour, rules or no rules. I am not sure what the qualifications of cheating are, and would be glad to know that myself, but since money is asked, i don't think it was just a matter of too much fish...

Howdy all,

Oh boy, I thought the forums would be active after Sam's announcement, and I wasn't disappointed. Who would have guessed everyone would be flipping out about making the game semi-paid...well everyone should of. The issue with things like this is those who want to comment on it are always those who feel strongly, and in situations like this they are always the angry ones. So why not, I'll throw in my 3 pennies, or $15.95 worth of thoughts.

My first response is to say, yeah, get over it. yes I know some people can't afford it, but if anyone would like they can go and read the forums when Aprone made the same announcement for swamp. oh boy were people really flipping out over on that forum thread when he made the game paid. but you know what, even those who couldn't use PayPal to buy an account still managed to get one and play the game. So all those who want to wig out and say they are done, well if they actually are then they are, that is their decision. But what they don't realize is even if they can't use PayPal, folks always find a way to keep playing a game they like. Would everyone be happier if Sam made the game completely paid? I know I would enjoy that much more, but I can only imagine how much everyone would be wining here if the did that instead.

The thing is, what is the detractor from cheating right now? oh yeah, that's right, there isn't one, just to hope people will be decent and not ruin the game? Well the worst thing to hope for is people to be decent for the sake of being decent, folks don't work like that. Now there is a small price tag attached to the game that will work as insurance. Yeah go ahead and cheat, but it won't get you too far with item caps, and if you want to unlock the game fully and still cheat, well that will get pricey.

Now that said, I do agree, I would much rather see the game be 100% paid, and there is a good model of how to do it. the same way Aprone did with swamp, you pay something small like $2 a month, but you have to pay up front 1 year at a time. that way if you cheat you then forfeit the years worth and are out the $24, then if you want to make another account after cheating go ahead, but it will get expensive if you want to keep cheating. There is something to be said for making the game 100% paid, then you get rid of all the riff-raf who cause the issues and the player base is solid and those who actually want to play and enjoy the game, not screw around and ruin it. Yeah I know some people don't have the ability to use PayPal, or they say they don't have the cash to spend on the game, but if I think about this I don't really buy into that. For some this might be the case, but if you think about it, you spend money on things you enjoy, whatever that may be. for me it's My brandy, my cigarettes, good food, and a couple games here and there, and I'm not rolling in the dough by any means. but if stw is something you enjoy like say going out to eat, there is no price difference there, if you don't want to pay the money it isn't because you can't, but you don't value it enough to pay. for those who do they will pay to unlock the game as it stands now, or if it is 100% paid they will pay to play. And I can already hear folks say, but I'm only a kid and I don't have a PayPal or credit card, well how do you think kids all over the world get COD, or GTA, or Halo? They aren't running down to the corner market with a toy gun and robbing it for the extra cash. What I'm getting at is everyone bitching at Sam, well it's just silly, do you call up AT&T to yell at them for charging for phone service, or a main stream game developer for daring to charge for their product? Let's take call of duty for example, you need to pay for the actual game, that lets you play it locally, but then if you want to go online that is another thing you need to pay for, and I'm guessing if you go read some X box forums you aren't gonna see everyone complaining about it being paid, and folks saying they are done because it isn't free. And in this case they are charging for a profit on their investment of time, Sam isn't even doing this. He is charging to weed out the cheaters and those who ruin the game, if he just wanted a monetary return on his investment he would say hey folks, the game cost X to play. So with everyone saying they are done, and how wrong this is, well all I do is shrug, quit if you want, but you should be happy it isn't simply pay to play. If I had the choice to make that is what I would do just for simplicity's sake, one change, and boom problem solved. of course people will still try to cheat and get away with it, but let them, they can keep paying and getting banned.

So in summary, yep I'm an ass, I could apologize for that but if I did I'd have to apologize all the time and I wouldn't have time for anything else like playing STW. I'm sure this really rubbed some folks the wrong way, but that's not the intention, it's just life. Overall Sam is a pretty damn nice developer, he actually seems to listen to everyone complaining to him even though he tried to find the middle road and make it fair for those who "can't pay". My over all thoughts are, well time to move on folks, the game has changed, and as usual it was because of stupid people doing stupid things, if you haven't realized it yet, this is the case all through life. But a part of me hopes everyone gets Sam frustrated enough that he says okay, game is 100% paid now, take it or leave it. for those like me who will give up the couple dollars it will be so so worth it for a player base who doesn't cheat and who plays the game to play it right. Now all I have left to do is wonder what the over under is on how many people will post about how wrong they think I am...

and as a side note, I've been away but live streams and stuff along those lines are coming, just a little bit longer now.

@the poster before this one, you have quite a few good points. I'm not complaining on the game being payed. I struggle with money myself, but I still manage to find time and money to get the things I want. If it were meerly that, i'd leave my face out of this one and indeed, keep my opinions to myself as you suggested. Like I pointed out in my last post however, their's a few things that need to be considered. The lack of a rules document for one. I haven't been on stw in quite a while, so I may have mist the hole cheating thing, but their's very little explonation as to what exactly is going on here. Just an announcement of hey, to prevent cheating the game will now cost half way. While we're talking mainstreem games, corporations/companys could be slammed by their users for doing this meerly because their was only cheating going on. The exact same thing would very much happen their. Users will get up in arms about it, and even if you tell them to keep their complaints to themselves, they will still continue to voice their douts and annoyances. This too is life. I'm avoiding commenting on this hole paying situation, specificly because i'm neutral on this hole paypal ishue. I'm sure if you talk to sam about this and you explain the circumstances as to why you can't pay he'd be willing to listen.

And taking Swamp as example: even though there were a lot of rules when it was still free, people either didn't read them or said f... and cheated anyway. So, Swamp became payed because of the lag of normal behaviour, and so stw folows suit.

hi all i was in school and couldn't post here Before.
sam, this thing with a limit is not a good idea. Think about it. take some time to relax and Think about why people is cheating and so on.
first. the pk thing will be unfair because say i have 1000 energy and just 100 grenades and i pk someone who have payed. he can have more energy then me and more items. is it fair? is it fair if you want a net you must pay 16 dollars for that. is it fair?
sam if you ask why people is cheating i can tell you why
people are cheating because pop_cans spawn so slow and because they want dfc's. remove those things and no more cheat.
@the rule  Thing. yeh stw needs rule not only for players for admins also
1 time i spammed stw a bit. not so much in the chat but a bit. sam came online and wrote to me to stopp and gave me a warning. when i wrote to him if he could fix a rule file with some rules in stw he wrote back and said, what i Think? i Think you should stoppp spamm.
so i'm angry you limited this so bigg and you is saying you will  limit us from some maps. is it fair for us players? i hate cheaters but what is cheat? if you not have rules for that you can't just limit us Before posting some.
guys some time ago i talked with a hacker on skype. i recorded it when he said he is hacking stw and so on,
if anyone want to hear the recording and want info, just kontakt me in skype @sito4331. sam didn't reply to me on skype so it's ok to chair that i Think
@akkiler why sam should listen? til now i didn't see him listen. just a important thing like spawning in gas he didn't want to change it after much players want it. hmm for me it feels sam didn't listen on us players
i'm not mad on you sam but i need to write it here. you are a greyt developer but you did many mistakes. now i hope you are a man and can lern from them you did today. if you listen on me and all other posts here you will not have cheaters left

now to an other thing
sam how you rank playersw? did you rank them to admins because they help players? i don't Think so with those latest admins. some of your admins are cheating also for shure. give ranks to those are trying helping you and this game please

If something is possible in a game, and no rules exist to stop someone from doing it, it's going to be done. That's called human nature. It's certainly not the players' fault that a game developer, (whether or not it is by mistake is completely irrelevant), either didn't know how to or couldn't be bothered to put in all the work necessary to fully prepare their game. Mistakes=consequences, in the real world anyway. See, I find it funny how Sam said, he was going to write up a rules file long ago, but never did, but now is considering getting money for this... no. How about back up and do what you said you were going to do originally. It's called being responsible.

So many things to say about... Emm, I don't mind that stw is payed, and I even like this limit, we've got something to do.. But, maps limit, less gifts per day... I like this game for sounds which are there, for some maps, so if I will not be able to visit them, why should I play then? And Sam, if you made than noone can drop teleports and dfcs, why you can't do that noone could give them to others? Eg, if I bought some dfc, I can keep it only for my self, and wouldn't be able to give them to others, it could help a lot.
About the rules: lol, since this game exists, the rules are just on work, and, in our minds    I know not so many audio games, but this is the only one what still has no rules in. Ok, someone here said that rules aren't so important for cheaters, but, you know, if there are no rules, they couldn't even being called a cheater, because... Who said that we can't cheat, only admin? Ok, show me the document where this rule is, I don't wanna believe just in words. That's, people would say, and for them is not also important, that others saying to them it is not allowed. Now, I am not saying that rules can stop cheaters, I just wanna say, that the document could help the admins and dev to give an explanation to those, cheaters. And if they will not understand, it's already another thing what dev and admins have look for.
And, just maybe in the future, I'd like to have this game in offline mode. Yes, I haven't enough money to buy it, and even I'd have I wouldn't. I am very, very sorry for saying that, but: so big difference between payed and free accounts here.  Nice thing will happen, if someone will cheat, all people which have free accounts, would be purged.
Excuse me, just for this a few suggestions... I know you Sam did a lot to get those cheaters, and sorry to hear that you decided this currant variant as the best one, but, it's understandable, anyway. And, you have your real life ok, but, just try to listen the people, and catch the senseful messages in the game and skype, not only about "when will be the next update" and etc. Heh, it's not my business but, look at your admins team.

Wish everything will be fine,, at some point I hope the game could be like before it was.   And of corse, sorry for my english

Well, then I have another idea that some of you might like:
If stw should stay paid, I suggest that insted of buying a paid account for it, you can buy anything from the store eg teleporters, death free cards, gifts etc, and your account directly turns into premium as a result. this way you'll hit two birds with one stone. you'll get rid of that price problem people were talking about. On the other hand, the cheaters case will remain as it is now. But that can't be done if the price thing is important for you Sam, meaning that the issue here is a price issue, not a paying one. That's if so, it's your choice.

Burak, I didn't mean that the game should return to what it was in the past. My suggestion inshort was to unlock the game's feature by buying any upgrade from the store, not by buying it as a premium account itself, which means that the game will remain with limits, and with your buying process of anything from the store, those limits vanish and the game returns into normal as it is premium now.

Well Burak, I'm saying this as one of who are facing the truth now. Sam won't change what is he currently doing, I was against the whole thing from the begining. But what, just trying to ease it with those mentioned above suggestions.