2016-02-11 13:33:14

I don't own a Eureka A4 unfortunately, and even if I did, I never was good enough with it to get it to sing.

My school use to have one and I mostly used it for games and the acasional bit of word processing.

Someone else managed to use it as an external synthesizer by going into the communications program and using something in there called talker.

That was with the technology back then, no idea if you could do it today.

There are better synthesizers out now anyway.

I did like the advanced music composer though, it had around 16 instruments.

2016-02-11 13:57:18

I do still have the A4. I can't make it sing, but I know how to operate the music composer. Sadly I have the A4 standard. I wish I had the Pro, since that apparently had a Yamaha FM sythesizer. That would have been really cool to have. If you can give me a link to the song you want me to do, I can try to make it with the music composer and record it with a patch cable.

The talker mode would work perfectly, but I don't actually know what character I have to send to it to make the speech stop. This means that I could theoretically hook it up to a computer and use it with a screenreader, but I wouldn't be able to interrupt the speech, which would suck. One of these days I'll get around to trying all the basic Ascii set when I'm bored. Most synthesizers used a control-x character, the KNG used a Control-C, the Sonobraille used... something weird that I can't remember, but the A4 doesn't respond to them. Does anyone know of any vintage screenreader that supported the Eureka? I could capture what it sends with the BNS and figure it out that way.

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2016-02-11 17:45:58

@guilevi here is your song I requested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s478ivT … 478ivTjFLA

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
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2016-02-11 18:10:38

Great. As soon as I have a good recording software and a decent mic, I'll let you know; the macbook's builtin mic doesn't sound very professional, and I don't know anything about using Garage Band.

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2016-02-11 19:40:27

thanks!

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-02-13 19:08:14

high,
@guilevi, did you look at the link in the last post?
as for old bns programs on other systems, porting between the bns and other old computers should be easy, since bns appears to run on a clone of gwbasic. Most bns programs, like the ones made by bpc programs, will run under ms-dos as is. a few apple 2 programs were also successfully ported to the bns, I saw an archive of old bns software that happened to have a port of origon trail on it.

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-02-14 23:51:00

Is that archive still available? I'd like to take a look at it.

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2016-02-15 00:59:38

The only BNS or Braille I had access to was the one that the tennessee school for the blind had. I think you can make the BNS sing, but that is a big if. The only way I can think of doing is via basic and the major draw back there was that  had to be under 61000 lines of code. I don't remember the exact number though. You will also need to remember the basic commands that control the synth in the BNS. Add to that, the synth wasn't all that great anyway. LOL. I think I still have the basic programming guide for the braille lite and BNS lining about on  hard drive somewhere. Don't remember where though. I did not know that most of the programs for the BNS could run on DOS. Then again, I remember looking into the basic programming stuff at some point and seeing that .BAS source code would run on other systems with vary little change. This is going back to the good old days. If anyone is wondering, yes I can still read the old basic source files for the BNS platform. I might be able to through one together if I wanted. Now I wonder where I did put those files.... I guess I have to weight until I get back to my desktop computer. That should be by the end of this week. Oh yes, don't tell me that someone has a old BNS around that is still in working condition. If they do, they might want to make a recording of one so that thenewer people around know how they sound. Yes, they really do sound bad compare to today's synths. Yes, the double talk, or was that the doublespeak synth that sounds better. Anyway, the first bookport really did sound better than the BNS. Does anyone remembers those devices? LOL. I guess I am straying to far off of this topic. LOL.

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2016-02-15 01:15:28

Maybe I'm strange, but I'd rather listen to the BNS synth over the original Book Port any day. How anyone could actually read a book using that thing is beyond me. I did like its design, though.

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2016-02-15 06:05:58

it was on braillesoft's website. I'd give you a link but I heard a roomer that the site went down and I don't want to take chances and give you a dead link.

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-02-15 08:13:34

I have no problem with doubletalk, but the millenium strayed from Votrax and used doubletalk, and it didn't have nearly as much speech parameters as the Votrax did.

2016-02-15 18:00:14

I once had a rare version of the bns that had doubletalk. I got it from my computer teacher at perkins school for the blind. I also had access to one of the votrax based versions there.

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-02-15 20:11:51

Rather interesting. I used to use a BNS but I didn't know it had a BASIC compiler. I wonder if the BASIC archive can be found on the wayback machine? The Dan Z Games website is archived there.

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“There are four things that we ought to do with the Word of God – admit it as the Word of God, commit it to our hearts and minds, submit to it, and transmit it to the world.” — William Wilberforce

2016-02-15 20:26:42

the talking dosbox includes this archive.

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-02-15 20:30:48

Technically, the RC8650 chip that  the DoubleTalk and Millennium note takers used had more configuration options - there was pitch, volume and frequency like with the Votrax SC02/artek SSI263 chip of the older blazie note takers, but it also had more voices, a basic reverb, a built-in speech processor and dictionary as well as a tone generator. The Votrax chip could only accept a command to play one of its phonemes at a specific pitch and amplitude (volume) and not much else. This is why when the millennium note takers were released the basic programs that generate tones would crash as basic was most likely trying to use some very low level assembly to talk to the Votrax to make it beep.

Anyway I think I have most of the basic and otherwise Blazie programs and we're working with guilevi on the site, which will probably be where it will end up. If you want recordings of anything, let me know, I can probably make something that sounds quite good.

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2016-02-15 20:34:52

by the way, I know for certain that the bns could sing, because jeff redousky got it to sing twinkle twinkle little star, and i almost included that version on the tts preschool album, but that was when I was following a "1 recording per song" rule, that I quickly lifted as soon as cae jones did his eloquence songs.
speaking of which, could anyone get the bns to sing there are 7 days? I'm still awaiting the eureka a4 backing track.

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-02-17 11:16:07

I haven't been able to set up the A4 for now, but I will do it this weekend and send it to you. The way Jeff made the BNS sing was by changing the pitch and making it say simple syllables.
There is a small chance that we might be able to access the sound mode of the Votrax soon. Pitermach and I both have BNS2000s, and we can record any sample of it you want. I will also be making recordings of all of the other devices I own.

The BNS that used the Doubletalk synthesizer was called Scholar and was sold by APH back in the day. This is, of course, the same synthesizer used on the Bookport and Millenium series of the BrailleLite. Like pitermach said, it had a lot of parameters that the Blazie OS did not expose, which you can verify by reading any of the Doubletalk manuals available on the RCSystems website.

The RC8650/60 both have the same voice. I actually like it, and I'm looking for someone who is trying to sell a used DoubleTalk. I might also try to find a way to hook up an RC8660 to a single-board computer such as a Raspberry Pi. It has been done before with Arduino. That might also be a way to get speech output from a Raspberry Pi without the audio issues, since the UART is recognized as a serial port I believe.

The Votrax SC-02/Artic SSI-263 was used in a bunch of devices, including all the Artic synthesizer models, the Blazie notetakers and Blazer embosser, the Aycom Accent line of synthesizers, the Kentucky pocketBraille, and the GW Micro Speakout. Apparently, Artic made it sound pretty decent, but I have never heard those actually talk. Does anyone have a sample of an Artic synthesizer?

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2016-02-17 17:49:41

thanks, could you do a bns version of there are 7 days when you get the chance?

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-02-18 23:03:53

OH, votrax's sound mode...I guess that explains jeff's version of unterlanders heimwa.

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-02-18 23:13:41

OH, I'd also be interested in a doubletalk version of that song as well, possibly with the tone generator providing a backing track. I know doubletalk can sing because patrick perdue got it to sing a gateway vs aptiva parody of daisy bell (a.k.a the song of hal 9000's funeral).
I did mannage to find a youtube video of the eureka a4 in action, mostly demonstrating the word processor, and a cd by the NFB containing related files has also been archived on the internet.

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-03-15 17:53:32

still waiting for the eurica a4 and bns versions of there are 7 days for inclusion on the tts preschool album.

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-03-17 12:00:45

Hi,
I haven't had a chance to set up the Eureka in a while, but yesterday I finally got it booted again. I have been recording the various system sounds and sampling it's music  synthesizer, and sometime this weekend I will make that song for you.
Does anyone know of any screenreader that supported the A4's talker mode?

A fight we cannot lose.
An enemy we cannot defeat.
A destiny we cannot escape.
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2016-03-17 16:58:12

thanks! May I have the system sounds?

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995

2016-03-19 00:27:03

I would be interested in the system sounds as well.

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2016-03-31 03:03:55 (edited by ammericandad2005 2016-03-31 03:07:13)

how are the recordings going along. do you think the system sounds and the eureka a4 and bns versions of there are 7 days will be ready intime for my birthday on 4/10?

be a hero and stop Coppa now!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dkm … DkWZ8/edit
-id software, 1995