2015-07-24 07:50:00

So has anyone gotten this boot on an uefi system?

2015-07-24 14:58:04

Yes, I have. It took some figuring out, and messing around in the bios to set up the correct boot order, but I finally managed it. Here's how:
- Boot your regular Win8 or Win8.1.
- Press Windowskey+S
- Type "Recovery drive" in the search box and press enter
- In the results, look for the option that says "Create a recovery drive" and press Enter to open it
- Depending on your settings, you might be greeted with UAC prompts, or you might not

- If the "create recovery drive" wizard opens, uncheck the checkbox that says "include the recovery partition"
and press the Next button
- In the next dialog, select the usb drive you want to use as your boot device, and press Next
- In the next dialog you will get a summary of the settings you chose. Prezss the "Create" button to format the drive and put the required files on there
- If the recovery drive has been created, close the wizard
- Now press Windowskey+E to open "file explorer".
- First navigate to the place where you have stored the Win81SE_X64.iso file and either open, mount, or extract it.
- Once you have access to all the files from the iso, grab the "sources folder" and press ctrl+C to copy it
- Now, go to your usb boot device, and press Ctrl+V to put the sources folder in place. You will be asked to override files, wich you should do.

If something isn't clear, feel free to ask away.

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2015-07-25 00:39:38

OK. Thank you very much. I'll try that.

2015-08-04 03:36:11

Ok, I just stumbled across this thread, and I'm rather interested in how I use the Elloquence isos. I've got three versions of Windows that I need to install on various machines, all three of which I have the dvd's for, Windows XP Pro 32-bit, Windows 7 Home Premium x64, and Windows 10 Home x64. What exactly do I need to do to get this working with these three os? Thanks.

AKA president731

2015-08-04 07:00:55 (edited by Figment 2015-08-04 07:05:31)

jsymes,

From my own experience installing 32 bit Windows 7 Home Premium, all you should have to do is put the Win PE mini ISO on a CD-ROM or use the ISO2USB program to put it on a flash drive, then boot the mini ISO you just burned. Windows is entirely in memory so if you burned the ISO to a CD-ROM you can eject it to put in the DVD with the OS you want to install, then run the set up on it to start installing Windows.

Anyone can correct me if I've forgotten anything, but I don't think I have.

I could have used the Windows PE mega ISO to install Windows since it includes the Windows 7 DVD in it, but I wanted experience with installing from a separate disc just in case I need it in the future. Say for installing Windows 10?

Good luck jsymes, I hope this works for you!

NOTE: If you use ISO2USB, use Fat32 for the file system, I tried using NTFS the first time I used it and it didn't work. The second attempt using Fat32 did work though.

2015-08-04 07:08:53

Thanks! This puts the XP reinstall higher on my todo list, and the other two on my future projects list! smile

AKA president731

2015-08-04 10:34:26

Have fun! I'm no expert, but I'll help if I can. The only problem I ran into was getting Narrator to stay in memory and keep talking to me, but I eventually taught it who was boss and everything went smoothly from there. For all I know, it could easily have been something I was doing wrong.

2015-08-12 22:07:12

Hello to all. I have a weird problem. It boots fine on a dell inspiron laptop using a flash drive but I have a custom built laptop and it will not boot from a USB drive on there. I wonder if it would boot from a cd?  These are the specs of the bios as according to speccy. American Megatrends Inc.
            Version    1.03.06RNS1

2015-08-13 03:55:21

Hello and good morning.
I have a question regarding the pe instalation files.
I downloaded the disk.zip file to my harddrive.
Now, What do I need to do with it and what extra equipmend do I need for this to install for example windows 8.1 on this computer?
Greetings Moritz.

Hail the unholy church of Satan, go share it's greatness.

2015-08-16 12:52:39 (edited by gellman 2015-08-16 12:57:15)

Update:

I have uploaded a 64bit bootable VHD which can easily be converted to a bootable USB.

- Added support for Winamp and  Winrar.

- Changed the boot loader from Grub to Microsoft's boot manager.

- Added the EFI files from the Windows 8.1 Recovery Drive so that the talking Win8.1PENVDA should now boot even on a system with Secureboot enabled.

I tested that UEFI boot is working by forcing VMWare Workstation to boot the disk in UEFI mode.

The UEFI files are  copied from the Windows USB recovery drive and are signed by Microsoft.

That should be enough for Secureboot to work, but who knows.

The file is a  VHD and can be imported and used in a virtual machine to bootstrap a talking installation of Windows or be booted natively from inside Windows
7 or 8-8.1 or even better be converted to a bootable Secureboot compliant USB drive.

Converting the vhd to bootable USB is very easy.

Just plug in your USB drive and format it as FAT32 and create an active partition with diskpart.

Copy the contents of the mounted VHD to the root of your USB drive.

Then detach the vhd and you now have a bootable USB drive  which works even in a UEFI and Secureboot scenario.

I have been able to verify that basic UEFI boot works in VMWare, but I don't have a system with Secureboot enabled, so I hope that someone will ttest it.

What I did?

First, I did some research and found out that the Recovery Drive created by the File History/Recovery Settings in Windows 8.1 is Secureboot compliant.

The Recovery Drive is basically a Windows PE with a commandline and some rudimentary recovery tools, but of course with no speech or accessibility.

Secureboot requires the boot loader and system loader to be signed by Microsoft, but there is no obstacle to creating your own Secureboot compliant WinPE.

Download links (valid as of August 16th 2015):

(Note that the password to the rar file(s) is test)


Win8.1SE_x64-vhd

http://www97.zippyshare.com/v/urRWlJp7/file.html
http://www8.zippyshare.com/v/oYem10dr/file.html
http://www64.zippyshare.com/v/FPhVCuXT/file.html
http://www50.zippyshare.com/v/0VMoz5Bn/file.html

Win8.1SE_x64-iso

http://www76.zippyshare.com/v/qHQZmpX8/file.html
http://www38.zippyshare.com/v/GMDNbzGx/file.html
http://www78.zippyshare.com/v/Lit5tto3/file.html
http://www92.zippyshare.com/v/K8ntL4ZA/file.html
http://www86.zippyshare.com/v/71Qu65jG/file.html

m

2015-08-17 15:51:10

Hello,
I was wundering how to add drivers to a windows pe iso.
I have the windows 7 aik installed.
What do I do?

Roel
golfing in the kitchen

2015-08-17 19:40:29

@roelvdwal

It depends on the version of Windows PE.

Microsoft TechNet provides extensive documentation about Windows PE.
But even if you are able to inject drivers into a WinPE image built with WAIK (for Windows 8-10 it'is now called  Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit) you wont get any screen reader support out of the box.

But you can maybe solve the problem by injecting drivers into an existing talking WinPE.

But which driver support do you need?

WinPE or rather its project Win81PESE can boot on of lot of different hardware.

m

2015-08-18 18:44:13

Hi,
I want to try making my own windows PE. So I'd have to start from scratch, do I just inject audio drivers into the image and will it have audio?
I red somewhere that audio support was completely stripped for windows PE, so if that's so, How can  I reintegrate it?
thanks for your help

Roel
golfing in the kitchen

2015-08-27 07:33:53

Hello all,
This question is related to the installation of Windows Seven. Let me tell you, I spent about six hours straight just trying to get everything to work, because every time I tried something, it either backfired or something went wrong and I had to keep troubleshooting until I nearly got a headache from working on the same thing for a long long time.
First, let me start out by explaining what's going on. I purchased a Windows7 X64, service Pack 2 installation disc with Amazon. My mac was recently restored due to excessive water damage, so the hard drive had to be replaced as well. Unfortunately, there were a few minor changes from the time Chris Hal, the author of how to install Windows without sighted Assistance on Bootcamp had written it. For example, there is no format file system selection like the one he talked about, and Bootcamp is able to provide sound support.
Here's where things started to go awry. Last Monday, I went over to my local community college and one of the tech specialists guided me through the installation. It took about half an hour to complete. Once that was done, I had to pack up my computer because my ride was coming, and I had also made a terrible mistake. I accidentally left the boot camp drivers at home. This caused another problem to come up. The keyboard only worked on the log on screen, but once I logged in, both the keyboard and the mouse were totally unresponsive, dead to the world. The only thing that worked was the Windows L key, which locked the screen, and when I pressed shift five times, the sticky keys message came up. Also, I heard no sound--I knew what was on the screen because someone told me what was on it.
So, I decided to go for a plan B. I went on-line to download VM Fusion 8 Professional, and from there I made a virtual disc based on the Bootcamp partition. That went smoothly until I found that I couldn't pass keys over to the Windows side. Every time I tried doing a Windows command, the Mac would make the familiar thump sound. Occasionally narrator would say something like tab or shift tab, but nothing else.
So then I went over to plan C. About a week ago, I was on the Apple Vis web site, and under the podcasts section I found one where someone named Armando described how to install Windows. So I listened to it yesterday, and he talked about installing Windows 8 using the talking installation disc. He wasn't very clear on the directions though. For example, when my mac restarted to begin the installation, I don't remember him saying he had to unplug his flash drive any time before or while the Mac was starting up, so that required some trial and error. I had to constantly restore and build partitions.
I digress, so I'll back up a little bit. All of that happened yesterday night, so while I was sleeping, my desktop was downloading the zip file containing the TWPE second release, which included the Mega install.
I went in and looked at the read me file, as well as the change log, and at first I was not able to comprehend the fact that my installation CD wouldn't work with the preinstallation environment. I just went ahead and got the necessary software that I would need to work with. First, I tried BurnAware, but that wasn't very accessible, so I gave up. But I discovered that IMGBurn was capable of ripping files onto an ISO image. So I went that route. When that was done, all I had to do was find the perfect flash drive that would support the windows installation. Note that I used IMGBurn to make my bootable installation disc with the talking PE on it, and I used ISOtoUSB to install my copy of Windows onto an SD card that I finally ended up having to use, for it satisfied the necessitated criteria.
I took a quick nap, and resumed the problem at hand when I awoke. Now that I had everything in place, I went ahead and began the installation. This is where I had to experiment until I finally got the PE to talk. While I was holding down the C key and the mac was chiming, I plucked the flash drive out of the USB port and the disc started spinning shortly thereafter. At around a minute and a half, the familiar NVDA startup sound came up, and I felt my spirits raising considerably. I just crossed a major hurtle and achieved a milestone I thought I could never get passed.
So, after having plugged in my flash drive with the SD card in it, I launched setup.exe. Can you imagine the disappointment I felt when it said that this programme was not compatible with the version of Windows I was running? Well, that's how I felt, but I quickly remembered that I had burned the mega version onto my DVD, so I felt a little more hopeful. I launched the other installer and proceded to install Windows. Everything went smoothly until I got to this screen. Installation error. A file appears to be missing or corrupt. Make sure your installation has all the files required to install. Error code: 0x80070017. I tried installing other versions of Windows, but I kept getting the same error message.
So now I feel like i'm scrambling to get everything in place, for I need to get this done before fall term starts, which is in a couple of weeks. So I decided to come here and take a look at that other installation programme. I followed the first link that Mason put out, but when I went to download disc.zip, it came up with a message about making sure Java was up to date, and then it wanted me to run Video player. I was assuming it was an ad, which I truly detest. So I decided to try the second link, but it gave me an HTTP 403 forbidden message.
So now, I'm at a loss as to what to do. If I really, really, really have to do this on my own, I could probably memorise exactly what's going to happen and when it'll happen. What I'm not too sure is wheather narrator will work on the setup screen--the one where it asks you for your name, computer name, password, etc, like in Windows 8 and later. At least the keyboard, mouse and sound drivers work for part of the process, but I know that eventually I'll have to install the bootcamp support drivers for full functionality.
So, writing all of this down, and hoping for some response has lightened me quite a bit, but I know I won't feel better until I know how to do this independently.
Another issue I am concerned about is how I can obtain my product key. I tried getting it through key finder, and when I copied the CD key over to microsoft's Windows Seven download page, it said it encountered an error with my product key. Now, this is a desktop with Windows 10, which I recently upgraded to, so I don't know if the product key was changed somehow. It does sound similar to the one on the case though.
Anyhow, if someone could give me any advice as to what to do, in lay terms, I would really appreciate it very much.

Ulysses, KJ7ERC
She/they
Reedsy

2015-08-27 09:46:05

@roelvdwal
Injecting audio drivers into the WinPE image is certainly not enough to make it talking.

There are a lot of dependencies needed by even the portable NVDA -- Audio Service, Plug and Play hardware detection, Microsoft Virsual C++ Runtime etc, so you must be very knowledgeable about Windows and building a WinPE image.

@Green Gables

If you have VMWare Fusion, you don't need the talking preinstallation environment.

Just create a new VM and use Easy Install to perform the unattended installation of Windows.
VMWare Fusion builds an unattended answer file and automatically incorporates all necessary drivers during setup.

After restarting the VM the first time, press Windows + Enter to start the Windows 8.1 or 10 Narrator (on Mac I think Windows key is mapped to Cmd) for Windows 7 it's Windows +U.

m

2015-08-27 17:44:58

I don't know what Easy Install is, or how it works. Could go into further detail about this and how I can approach it. Remember that i am new to VM Ware Fusion 8 so I don't knwo how accessible it is or what any of its features are.

Ulysses, KJ7ERC
She/they
Reedsy

2015-09-01 16:03:54

Hi all, thanks gellman for the updated WinPE. I have been using talking WinPE to help people reformat and reinstall Windows all this while and it is awesome. Now I have another problem.
Soon I might need to format an XP machine, and I am not sure if this PE or the previous Win7 PE will work. @gellman or  others, can you kindly explain how to get XP to install with speech? It is not a VM, but just an old machine which still run great on XP. I will need to clean the hard drive though, since it is virus infested.

2015-09-01 18:02:07

@YoungMan

Yes, you can use Win7PENVDA or Win81PENVDA to install Windows XP.

However, note that Windows XP requires a partition alignment of 16065.

The Diskpart application in WinPE 2.0 and later by default creates primary partitions with an alignment which is incompatible with Windows XP.


However,this issue can easily be fixed by creating the primary bootable partition with the proper alignment.










Windows XP network install by WinPE3.0 - Windows PE

http://reboot.pro/topic/10762-windows-x … y-winpe30/


Installing Windows Xp on a partition created with Windows PE 3.0

http://reboot.pro/topic/9453-installing … ows-pe-30/


If you don't want to read all this, here are the commands you must enter from within Diskpart:

CLEAN
SEL DISK 0
CRE PAR PRI SIZE=10000 ALIGN=16065
format FS=NTFS quick
exit

Then run bootsect /nt52 to make the partition bootable:

bootsect /nt52 c:

The rest is well known XP stuff.

I would recommend copying the entire contents of the I386 folder to a distribution folder on the destination partition.

From within that folder run winnt32.exe with the proper unattended switches.

m

2015-09-03 20:44:46

Hello is there a way some one can add
active @ disk image free version to the iso?
everything works in the 8.1 iso how ever the one that carlos put together none of my usb devices are found
but with this image all is detected
the active @ disk image is something that carlos had in his image, and wanted to have it put in to this iso.  if any one could get back to me it would be awesome.
thanks
Hank

2015-09-04 05:28:57

gellman wrote:

@YoungMan

Yes, you can use Win7PENVDA or Win81PENVDA to install Windows XP.

However, note that Windows XP requires a partition alignment of 16065.

The Diskpart application in WinPE 2.0 and later by default creates primary partitions with an alignment which is incompatible with Windows XP.


However,this issue can easily be fixed by creating the primary bootable partition with the proper alignment.










Windows XP network install by WinPE3.0 - Windows PE

http://reboot.pro/topic/10762-windows-x … y-winpe30/


Installing Windows Xp on a partition created with Windows PE 3.0

http://reboot.pro/topic/9453-installing … ows-pe-30/


If you don't want to read all this, here are the commands you must enter from within Diskpart:

CLEAN
SEL DISK 0
CRE PAR PRI SIZE=10000 ALIGN=16065
format FS=NTFS quick
exit

Then run bootsect /nt52 to make the partition bootable:

bootsect /nt52 c:

The rest is well known XP stuff.

I would recommend copying the entire contents of the I386 folder to a distribution folder on the destination partition.

From within that folder run winnt32.exe with the proper unattended switches.


@gellman, Thanks for the details. so can I change the size of the partition as require by the user or must I follow the one above. I will also try out the rest of the instruction as it is quite new to me.

2015-09-04 13:08:36

@YoungMan
Yes, the partition size is only an example.

You can also enter:

CLEAN
SEL DISK 0
CRE PAR PRI ALIGN=16065
format FS=NTFS quick
exit

This command sequence will select disk 0 (first available disk), clean all existing partitions, create a primary partition using the entire disk with a partition alignment of 16065 and do a quick format of the new partition (type NTFS) and then exit.

Hope it works.

@hanksmith5

I'll look into incorporating Active@DiskImage, but you can already accomplish the same by creating a bootable USB disk of Win81PENVDA and create a portable installation of Active@DiskImage.

Active@DiskImage can run in portable mode.

Just install the software on the matching Windows architecture (X64) and copy the contents of the application folder from c:\Program Files to a portable folder on your bootable USB disk, and you are set to go.

m

2015-09-04 23:03:16 (edited by gellman 2015-09-06 03:17:17)

Update September 4th 2015:

- Added the applications Active@Disk Image, Odin, WipeDisk, WipeFile, Aomei Partition Assistant, Any Burn, IsoToolkit, BlankAndSecure.

- Updated NVDA to version 2015-03.

http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=16911

m

2015-09-05 21:58:52 (edited by agasoft 2015-09-05 22:25:11)

Hi Gellman,
I uploaded the last 64bit iso on my cloud.
Here is the link, yu can spread:
https://onedrive.live.com/download?resi … file%2cISO
Edit: Edited the wrong link.


Finally, I can confirm that its working on secure boot on, Uefi environment.
I tried on my machine, secure boot is enabled.

2015-09-06 00:51:49

@agasoft
Thank you so much; would you mind mirroring the entire package?

m

2015-09-06 11:42:57

Quite not sure, because I think that x86 is not needed for most of us.
And I have not time and speed to upload all.
However, you can count on me that I will maintain x64 updates as long as possible.
You should change x64 link now on your new topic.
Also, you can register to OneDrive your self, and get 15 to 25 gb of space.
It will be enough to hold the project for ever.
Links never expire.