I respect you, Sam for trying to make this work without a compass, because. I do think the north star idea is worth exploring. The moss thing is cool, but not all trees grow moss on them. Also I like the landmark idea too. I think the beeping would fix the items thing because say its slightly off to the left, but you got all the way there, and side stepped once to the left, you don't always get it, then you have to back up and turn by one degree and keep checking and keep turning and keep checking until it says its straight in front of you, and that takes time.

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I do want to point out, also, that a cumpass would be useful for everyone. Sam, think about it. If you were in the worlds largest desert, and you had all this equipment with you, including water, food, etc., wouldn't you want a compass, too? I don't see how a compass is impossible.
Also, a simple way to stop random killing is to have something like alter aeon has, wehre you register for player killing. Sure, it's not realistic, but a game cannot be completely realistic to the letter. So, a player would have to register for PK, and the other PKer would have to register as well to make it fair. There's only one issue for this: if a player's hunger is at a critical level, then they can kill freely or risk going insane.

Ah Ironcross, I do see your point, but at least with the current implemented way of telling direction it's pretty much impossible to know.
I agree with post 33. And if you think about it, there are quite a few elements of stw that are not real in the first place:
1. you can cary 500 pots of water in your inventory.
2. you can cary around a boat.
3. you chop down trees with a knife.
4. There's an ocean, a stream, a grasssland, and a desert all in walking distance of each other.
  Are all these bad? No, but they prove that a game can't be entirely realistic.

Well watches can stay powered up if they're kinetic, they sort of wind up themselves by the movement of the wearer, but point taken. As I said before, there's a lot to juggle in a great game. There are also survival knives that have magnesium strips inside, like the pommul is unscrewable. Well magnesium burns hot as hell, so all you gotta do is lay down the strip and strike the back of the blade against it and whoof, better than a spark from flint Also yeah, I agree, while chopping down a tree with a knife is theoretically possible, its not likely to ever happen, it would take forever, we need a hatchet or something.

So maybe a cumpass will be nesasary but I just want to see if I can avoid it. I probably can't but I want to try, by doing improvements. Coding it would be easy but I had nothing of the sort in mind when I made this rotation system. Like I said I want to try the radar thing, whare you track something then simply turn to it and get the beep there, than walk forward, right to it. That might be cool. I fixxed the c key so it shows how it is supposed to, yay! Again maybe none of this will help, I just want to try and if it doesn't, i'll probably do an erg, compass. But how it is supposed to work is the only time you should need to know whare your traveling, is when you want to travel something and you know it is in that direction, etc the campground north of the desert, not the stream west of the tree. You should be able to turn twards the stream and just beeline right for it very very easy. I know it scemes like i'm rediculis for not adding a compass but it's not supposed to be nesisary anyway.

Terminator, I would not publically ask for admin status. Not to be rude, but admin stuff like that is private and should be discussed privately.

Honestly, it'd be neat if more stuff to make navigation useful without a compass was set before someone got a compass.   I haven't been on the game for a long while, but I vaguely don't remember metal being very common (or existing)

    The main reason people seem to want a compass is that it helps with navigation. the last build of the game I tried had resources grouped in large clusters of land, which if one wanted to get a certain resource, they had to go there.   I think to fix something like this is to make the  resources land areas load extremely different and randomly, probably more akin to how nature would grow out haphazardly.   So there would not be set locations for resources, but something one would have to go exploring directionless to find something, and resources should run out and move to another spawn. that would still make sense.    (And the river should be more extensive or uh, mor rivers)

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Those are good ideas, and yes spreading out resources would not only spread people out, but also minimize all of the random killing since people wouldn't be all clumped together.

That's actually an impressive system, and if you implemented the landmarks system I told you about earlier that would especially make this more affective.

So guys, I am actually now working on the landmarks system, it's in with a bunch of map stuff so it will take a bit but am still doing it. Or maybe i'll just make it so you can track zones... You guys think this would be a good idea? I've also finily got off my lazy but and fixxed events! yayayayayay! So we can have loads of fun with those now! So now I ask, what do you think needs to hapen next. I want people to like the game as much as possible while yet still maintaining it's original point of being a survival game. It may sceme like i've been being a jirk and only telling you ther'll be no compass, but I have actually been reading the other posts. Hee, I actually like the killing idea, whare the count goes up and down acordingly. I've also listened to you guys about the realistic factor going down, and i've been working on that. No wonder you can still chop trees with knife. hahaha. And heck I may, just, may, make it possible to craft a compass. Maybe that same water idea, the one mensioned previously, but then you put a casing around it, and the metal object in there would float to the north side. So when you use the compass you crafted, it would make a ploop sound at north. Do you guys think this would be a reasonable compromise? First, it's not completely realistic, and second, with the tracking system, water is pretty easy to come by, and it would fix the other issue, people could get a compass. Reviewing my previous posts in this topic I can see why some of you got a bit upset and i'm sorry about that, defs not that profetional and a bit harsh. I hope I didn't kill your impressions of me. Heh. Anyway do any of you have any other recomendations for this game? At least ATM? Or ways I should improve it besides what's been mensioned? I personally think that I need to deal with killers and improve newbie friendlyness, how do you guys think I should go about doing this? Heh, or maybe at this point on me my self, maybe I got some improving to do at this point. Anyway, i'm sorry for the previous well, how to word it, not so... well written posts? I should have explained my self better, but do any of you have anything else to say on the matter? Or should I just update the game and atempt to add new features at this point. I am just trying to make it so that as much of the comunity as possible actually has fun and enjoys what I create. Another thing I heard on this topic was language channels. I know, It's just, well, maybe i'll make a way to turn chat off, or maybe have an option to only chat with certain people? So you could choose to use like a chat list, or something like that. If you chose to use a chat list, Then that might work but i'm being a bit vague. So you could choose to chat normally, or switch to an option to use your chat list. Anyone who's not in your chat list, you wouldn't be able to hear. I don't know. But ifsomeone can somehow get me a list of every language I should use, I think it may be a simple matter, but I don't know what I should use, nore how to spell language names or anything... Heheheh, I know of only a fiew, so also if you guys could post a list of languages I could use or at least suggest them, that'd be great too. Thanks.

hello there
at post 50
This game has come a long way sinse I tried it last,and the new changes IMO are in the right direction. When STW was released I did try it but quit it not soon after because while the concept was great,I could
see it'd be more like a shooter or a pvp game with everyone trying to kill others for no dam reason. And from what I read afterwards, I seemed to have thought rightly.
But that random killing seems to be improving somewhat,so that's good
I would not mind playing a game which included survival where you did everything from foraging to hunting and building things to cooperating or killing others to gain access to that longbow or that huge sword you saw on a person or just to loot their foodstores. This includes RP that is killing or fighting others for a reason. even in the whild you would not have people walking up to you and killing you for no reason even in a world setting like this. Everything is survival in a situation like this, and you would not kill someone because you were bored or had nothing better to do. because killing would take effort and a person who spends efforts in doing things which are not essencial to survival wouldn't last long.
So basicly what I mean with these is, RP killing good, NON  RP Killing bad
I specially liked some of the recent changes like the tracking system and am looking forward to landmarks too.
Now what makes people kill others for no reason? and what you could do so that killing happens less or at least the mindless killing happens less and less
people kill because they have crafted everything they need have nothing better that they could be doing so they go and kill others because that's doing something that isn't fishing or drinking water.
So, adding activities which would give people to occupy themselves with would lessen these to some extent, or so I hope.
Something that includes a element of killing would be much better like  animal hunting you could either create a group and run after a animal with spears or such, or ambush it with a bow and arrow or other ranged weapons

This wouldn't be eazy I know and will certainly take time. But there you have it

I do have a few other small suggestions and they are more to do with the gameplay and less with people being dum mindless killers
A keyconfig where you can change or assign keys as you like, because as it stands now playing on a laptop I can't drop shit because it needs a delete key and my laptop has a numpad delete key which doesn't work for games. same gos for page up and down to increase/ lower volume

currently the rate at which you get thirsty seems a bit excessive to me, so if that were to be lowered a bit it'd be cool,too. But this one I dair say I couldn't really say much on because I haven't played the game as long as some here so feel free to comment or disregard this one. it just looks to me to be a bit high where you are drinking constently.
Hope that helps some and keep up the awesome coming. :d
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Hello Sam,

I think all of this is a great idea. The bugs, and making an option in the options menu to disable the mouse is an excellent idea! Also, making the number pad work with your game is an excellent idea. The bugs idea is excellent too! Also, another idea that someone brought up previously on a thread as well, is Maybe you could make the thirst for newbies start at zero, and maybe the hunger. As sung people have a harder time finding clay to get their thirst down as you start a random place where Clay sometimes doesn't exist nearby. Is just a helpful thought. Not to make you do this, but it would be helpful for newbies to play the game. ! Over all, I think everything you said is a great idea. Excellent job with the game Sam. Keep up the excellent work