Exactly. And if you can't put grudges behind you, then you won't find yourself very well accepted by society. If you want to keep grudges, go somewhere else.

Well that's the thing. Everyone who really has a complaint is already banned like me, who stood up for myself, because I'm not a pushover and people will learn that extremely fast. Now I'm not starting any drama or whatever bull crap useless stuff like that, just telling the truth. Which, is why, I don't bring up any of the issues I've seen from you and the rest of the admins towards other players.
But anyway ignore that. I'm not going to start a flame war and if one even looks like it's going to start after this post, it's getting deleted.

Danny, I think you should completely restructure the admin team. You don't have to do this, but I completely recommend it, since according to Steve's vague post, I think it's time.

As communist as Danny's last post sounded, (rofl), I agree with it. I have no further comment because really, besides the admins I had trouble with and that stuff this is not, a horrible game. And the reason my post was so vague was because I, do not! Wish to bring down the reputation of this game because of troubles I'm having on it. Danny's worked extremely hard, and he doesn't deserve that. Sure there were some issues between me and some admin staff, but that's no cause to tare down Danny, and that's not just because he's my friend either. I agree with ethin about the restructuring of the admin team, but Danny seems to be jumping on that quickly and doing the necessary justice. This is why I've forgiven him for the past things having to do with Tyler and such related incidents.
  I just think that if we have problems on the game from now on, we need to inform Danny, myself included. And now that this no spam policy is implemented, should I ever be back on the game it will be no spam because, well, no one is allowed to do it. You see, I felt like I was being attacked since others did it and yet told me not to, so what was expected? That was my only issue, really.

  However, I think the positivity of this game will cover up the past, eventually. It is a great game... I just wish ship prices weren't so spread out. But then again, that's something that can be fixed with a 40 minute colony supply mission on a cargo frater, so that's not even that big of a deal.

I don't think we can lay all the problem on the players - a big part of the issue stems from overreaction of game admins.  A lot of them are capricious and emotional, turning everything into a personal affront that must be destroyed at all costs.  Debates escalate to name calling and insults escalate to admins banning people forever in a righteous huff that does nobody any good.  It's stupid.

On top of that is the hacking issue.  The very idea of labeling someone like tyler a 'hacker' is ridiculous - he, along with 95+% of the so called 'hackers' I've seen, couldn't hack their way out of a wet paper bag.  They're about as dangerous as puppies:  able to poop on the floor where you don't expect it, but not much else.  But rather than treat these players like puppies that need to be taught and socialized, helping teach them and helping them grow into decent people, they get treated like crap instead.  They get banned, they get yelled at.  Small wonder they don't improve.

hi,
I won't write a long or constructive post, but what I'd like to say is there should be a separate system, or mechanism to deal with that kind of problems or issues, rather than involving the forum as a medium for pestering the developers with complaints regarding bans, and actions which are already in force.

afterall, there are many other contact methods, Skype, emails, pm (on this forum), and twitter/fb/whatever social networking site. plus the supposed contact form/comments section in case the developer here has a good website/blog/similar content. this makes it  obvious that there could be many instances in which the mentioned complainer could very effectively approach the developer and voice there claims, while compared to being an attention seeker on a nearly public forum like the one right here.

after that, there sometimes comes an anticipated argument against contacting the developers privately, put forth by a bunch of people, that the developer had, or  would have no difficulties in simply disregarding their say and deleting the emails, or messages in whichever form they are sent, therefore being indifferent  to the complaints and moving along their work. hence, a possible reason for that sort of public whimpering over online threads. .

if this holds true in certain sinarios, then such practice could as well be exercised on the forum, perhaps a sensible developer should have a reason to completely ignore and divert attention from these people and continue with their game development. expanding multiple threads like this may not only make the forum cluttered but also infuriating for a few people like aarjan and others who find this sort of behavior peculiar, in fact.

however, after looking at the amount of such topics over a timespan of last couple of months, it is really odd that a few developers tend to hold certain obligation to respond on the topics here instead of sorting out their differences on a private platform.  besides, there are a few forumites who seem to cause more trouble by adding more to either side, whether encouragement to fokes  like tyler and others, or ruthlessly supporting the developer's decision.

as far as I may recall, there had been troublemakers who used to hack swamp or create chaos on the server, etc. (afterall, the very reason swamp is now paid and not playable for a few who have shortage of money), and one or 2 of them would have started a similar thread on this forum, asking the developer to remove their ban while providing an odd reason which shouldn't have appeared to be logical. (I'm not completely sure about the existence of more than a couple of topics of that form). what, I believe, used to happen is that the developer gave a explicit reason to as why the refered person wouldn't be unbanned, rather in a little blunt tone at the same time, so that the topic in question doesn't spread further and so on. at that time, there weren't many who would ramble to that extent, nor did the player insist too much for the removal of his ban, in general that is.

moreover as of late, there had been another forum member with issues playing alteraeon, and being banned from public channels because of excessive swearing and other inappropriate behavior on the game. there indeed were a couple of long threads for that matter, but again, the basic outline of these was the need for improvement and his status on the game remaining the same, in fact dentin , Morpheus and a bunch of other players who noticed the topics apparently made clear the reasons for his punishments as well as the extent of the same, explaining as humbly as one may prudently apprehend.
they didn't last long as there were no more than a few arguments at first place, and there wasn't a whole bunch of people showing pitty or being sympathetic to the player whose behavior was abnormally improper. some people gave him sound advice, some reacted in a slightly harsh manner. but the entire issue was restricted to just one or 2 threads, not more.

now, specially after the release of numerous games by individual developers, a few online multiplayer games to be precise (for example, DMNB and others), the amount of such topics, or posts in other words, has simply grown up by a high margin. however, the more interesting part is that almost all the time, a large part of these conversations is apparently  centred around a particular cluster of forum members, which is very disappointing as a whole.

seriously, people from both sides should consider putting a hault to such occurances, mainly because in my opinion, all the public attention and discussions, rants, criticisms, and sometimes flamewars as well, would do them no good to have a more benifitial position, in contrast to the one they might carry without existing  as a publicly undesirable figure.

so, indeed, as the saying goes, a rotten apple has a potential to cause the apples in the whole basket to decay, but a bunch of rotten apples are enough to create a stinking, chaotic mess all around the place. let's not continue anymore with this kind of behaviour, guys. let's hope for the best.

regards.
sid.

p.s. my appologies in advance for any grief or discomfort caused by the above post to any individual or a group of individuals. certainly no intent to harm anybody's feelings or create hatred of any type.

Exactly, Steve. This is exactly why game developers must choose admins wisely. If they don't, this kind of thing happens. For instance, Danny developed DMNB, but chose admins based on friendships and trust; he did not base administrationship on passed behavior; and since he's done that, DMNB has turned into a ghost town. While I might have caused some of it, the other admins did so as well. Danny chose people in the beta testing folder, and did not choose anyone mature enough to hold the right of being an admin, and paid the price. I have no intention to be rude at all when I say this, but there is no "truly" mature adult on that admin team who can keep the entire admin team under control, and although Danny has tried, he has failed multiple times; and while I do respect him and I know that people surely do fail, it is remarkable that Danny still wishes to continue developing the game basing my knowledge off of recent and past events.

I do appreciate his determination as well.

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rofl

what's Dmnb ???
lol didn't want to read everything because waste of time (no offense to anyone)
just skinned through it and I am gonna add my two cents in...just because i'm bored.
read a book and stop getting so serious with gaming, there is more to life than a game.
bye