2015-03-06 18:02:16

Hello there,
Firstly I wish you won't see this in a "scientific" way -- since if you do you will say Chi might possibly not exist. But I believed it did because I had went to chi gong once or twice and "felt" the chi flow into me from the master.
Now to my questions: First I suppose I should tell you I'm completely blind. Now to my real question: for whatever reason, when I "look" at someone (not literarily looking, but rather  a different way to describe it), I can "see" (or "feel" since I can't see) colours of some sort radiate from the person. I can also feel some form of heat (not body temperature, this I'm sure because I'm far from the person). And since the sensation of heat is similar to when I went to chi gong when I was very young, I started to wonder whether its Chi I'm feeling. Also the intensity increases if I'm meditating; particularly if I just relax and not think of anything; and that sensation usually calms me. Though the weird thing is others couldn't feel it or see it. Someone else also said he could feel the heat when he went to chi gong too, so here I'm asking.
I just wish I'm not imagining things... Anyways looking forward to answers (if you're a professional of chi and all that) or opinion (If you are a normal person who isn't trained in chi).

Hth,
Kenzon

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2015-03-06 20:25:44

@Kenzon, I'm not sure whether I'd class this automatically as Chi but sinse I am not sure of the philosophy or practice of the actual diciplins such as Chi Gong I wouldn't make a judgementt on the subject.
I can say however the experience of colours if your blind is quite familiar, it's called synaesthesia, experiencing one sense in terms of another. For me most things I sense or think of are colour mixed with tactile sensation. i also find if I concentrate I can tell what a person is feeling without speaking to or touching them. I am not prepared to call this Chi, psychic force, aura or mystical energy or anything else, I don't have a name for it, indeed one person I talked to who was a qualified councelor  thought it could well be theramones.

I don't have an explanation for what! it is, but I experiencially know it exists.

however, I will say I am rather wary of accepting others explanations for unfalsifyable claims, sinse just because I have a scheptical view of scientific knolidge and belief doesn't mean I accept anything else either, for example I disbelieved the man who once told me I was picking up alien transmissions from the inter dimentional aliens who were observing humanity (I'm not actually joking I did meat this man and he didd believe this).

So chi? I honestly don't know and don't feel I have enough knolidge of such eastern philosophies and paths of belief to make a judgement, but that there is! a way of sensing the presence and emotions of others without

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Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
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2015-03-06 21:10:08

Hi.

I'd say you are feeling chi, chi is energy isn't it? so saying that, we feel it all the time, weather we know it or not. I'd recommend looking into how to use chi, making chi balls for healing, making pillars of chi to stand in, that's fun, try it! It's warm! Meditating and holding chi, and there is more but I don't know it. For those that don't believe chi is real, think of chi as the bodies energy but this energy surrounds every living and non living thing in the universe, weather we can see it or feel it or not, it's there. I know for me it's deffenetly real. I know you said you didn't want a scientific viewpoint and I'm not good at giving those, but I'm quite sure some scientists said in an article I read quite a while back, that they can use equipment to see the stuff around an object, what they were seeing is energy, or chi. I hope this helps and if you don't believe me that's great, find your own path on your own and be happy doing so. smile

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2015-03-06 22:37:17

Hello,
I have also felt chi, and on accasion I've created chi balls, now don't expect anything dbz style or such going on, but they do feel like something, not quite solid, bu not quite liquid, in your hand, it's jsut... there. It is very interesting because if you spread out your palms the ball starts to spread with you until you sort of, well, shake your hand and the ball just goes away. I once had a ball that was two hands' width and honestly, I was kind of surprised I could get it to spread out that much.

2015-03-06 22:51:50

Hi.

OH you can make them much bigger than that.

I'm telling you, try to make a pillar of chi and walk inside it.

To do it; 1. Hold chi in your hands.
2. Try to put the chi on the floor in a long shape.
3. Make that long shape go to the sealing.
4. walk in to the pillar and enjoy the warmth.

It's all to do with belief, if you think you can, chances are, you will.

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2015-03-07 05:22:45 (edited by Kenzon Yeoh 2015-03-07 05:27:27)

Hello.
Given this, I'm quite sure I feel chi, now. @dark, yeah, I sometimes could tell too but since I dunno whether others believe me I never told anyone (except my family, who half-believed I could feel it, but definitely believed chi/aura/soul. They don't really have any exposure to psychic energy or any other energy so they just thought of those as a concept). LOL receiving alien transmitions? I wouldn't say its true or false; for those who believe its true then it is, for those who doesn't then its not.
@brad and the others, Thank you for your reply. Though to make a ball/pillar of chi... I didn't really know how to channel chi; I just know I could feel the warmth and colour of energy around us. I do, however, made a chi ball... I think. That's by accident though, when I was meditating. I was relaxing and opening my imaginations (you might not call that meditate but it still calms my mind and I don't know what that's called) and I just felt warmth in my hand. I tried to move my palm nearer and the warmth increased. I tried to move it further and I felt it expand sorta... but then after I break focus it disappeared.
Oh I can't learn to use chi yet;I'm still a teenager and school is... well busy to say the least. I will think of the suggestion however, when I'm older.
EDIT: now to my second question: how comes I know the colour is blue, or red, or green, or brown, or whatever, when I "feel" it despite having no experience with those? I'm born blind so it couldn't be my memories... right? So what is this interpretation of colour in my mind? I told some people how their chi (or at least I thought it is and some of you also do) colour is. For instance, I can see reddish-blue chi from my mom, intense reddish-brown from my father, and a pale colour from my friend... So any opinion on this?

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2015-03-07 11:03:44

Finally a great discussion!

Well I’m not sure what the Chi exactly means, so I looked it up on the dictionary.
Again I can’t exactly understand it, but following this discussion, I can create an opinion on what it is, although I can’t explain it.
It sounds a little strange indeed what you’re saying like feeling somebody’s heat or opinions or whatever you mentioned and so far I haven’t come across with it, but I’m sure I got some strange “Senses”
For example, I can feel a person when getting closer; I think other do feel it as well, but I can feel it when they are not so close. I feel like a “Shadow” coming closer and closer untill I speek  to him or her. I don’t hear that person walking, no, I don’t feel him or her, but I feel it coming to me. For example, I work with my laptop at my school, and once my English teacher came to see what I was doing. While she was about a meter away from me, I stopped working on my Laptop, and she wandered why I was doing that. She said, go on, why did you stop?
Also, when rarely I want to cheat on any test, again, it happens rarely, I make sure where the teacher is, I can locate almost exactly where the teacher is, then I do what I need to do. Another example: when I walk on the street, there are some big houses which have big gates. The point is, I can feel the space between the door and the road, and I can go, right there.
Another similar case occurs with cars. Once, I was walking with my best friend close to the school. He is not blind, and I felt like there were a blocked space over there. A car was parked, and I could feel it. I asked him right away: Who’s got that car?
He got stunned saying, what the heck? Can you see it?
Another interesting example, at least for me, I don’t know how did it happen, although I did it myself. We were sitting somewhere out of the school, and some guys were playing basketball. Suddenly, the ball was flying in front of me, very fast, and I felt it when it came very close. It would hit my head, but I moved it, and the ball crashed onto the wall. I don’t know why I did it, but I’m sure I felt something.
I am never sure where does this come from. But I assume that many blind people have some senses like these. When coming to the question why, the reason is theoretically very simple. Many people try to explain it like a miracle of god. God helps them, they used to say, but I think it’s very difficult to literally explain it. Although the science has advanced so much, they’re still unable to explain some phenomenon, like, why does a person get red into face when you yell at them? Or, why does the face “View” change when a person laughs.
Anyway these are somewhat different from what were we discussing, but it’s highly interesting to know about them.

2015-03-07 13:01:22 (edited by Kenzon Yeoh 2015-03-07 13:02:40)

@afrim,
Chi is, literarily a Chinese word, just translated into english. It meant lifeforce or simply energy around us.
That's interesting... and I know some others that could do like you did. Though I dunno whether what you feeling (the person one, not the basketball or the car) is chi or not, though. Many say Chi feels different for different people and that might be the case.
I'm not feeling somebody's heat, it just felt like something warm is flowing out of them (well some people say it as aura but I dunno whether its the same thing... oh well). I guess the shadows you're feeling is chi?

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2015-03-07 13:18:25

Hello,
I think what Afrim is describing here is spacial awareness. On a slight off topic note, I don't know, but eSpeak butchers this, it should be pronounced spay sheal but it says spash ill.
Anyhow, back to the discussion, it could be a different form of chi, as in a way something is being sensed there, I've noticed it when walking near a large car and such, much like afrim. It is a very interesting and quite random feeling, and can be useful. However, I don't know if it comes under the category of chi, unless a car could, technically speaking, have a life force but wouldn't the car's life force only become active when the engine activates? With a basket ball moving as well there could be a fore there as well, it's moving, but it's moving through the air directed by the force of a throw. I thought life force would mean that someone or something has to be alive, or could life force mean more than that? When we get into souls and things, well, I find that quite fascinating. I definitely think that there is such thing as a soul, but as to what will happen to it, I have no idea. Also, spirits, I think they exist. In the past I've had times where I feel like something or someone was watching me and no one was in the room. It seemed friendly, but I didn't really want to disturb it so I didn't approach it. That has not happened to me for a while, so I'm wondering what happened to that being and I hope that it is still safe.

2015-03-07 13:41:45

ah spirits! Now here comes something interesting... I actually felt spirits before, too. Though I'm quite sure its one of my... ancestors? I dunno, but its... chi is familiar (well if chi is what made up spirits, or if spirits actually have some residue of life on them)
As to reply of your OT, perhaps make a ticket for those NVDA devs? You know, report this problem of yours?
back to the topic: well maybe so... well the funny thing is there are different beliefs on Chi. Some say they're around all objects in the universe, others say lifeforce (I do believe, the energy around objects is aura, rather?). Well anyway do anyone know how I could interpret colours as red or blue or green or whatever despite having not seen them in real life? Since I'm born blind... I shouldn't have seen colours unless I had memories of the past... though that's unlikely. I can only see light despite having no eyes (yes my eyes are blank... and I didn't sense the heat; since what I saw are lights on the road from the window in my room and my parents confirmed it saying its the light on the road)... My parents do believe what I'm seeing is Chi, and why other people can't see it is because my "perception" is stronger. Other family members say that this is psychical (supernatural rather) and asked me to inveestigate further... Oh well thsi is starting to get confusing.
and also why didn't I sense this sorta energy eralier? I only started to notice it nowadays though I've started sensing it on 2014. I don't know that's chi then, and I don't think my family members would believe me and so I just don't mind it. It went away for a while before recently I remembered the sensation I had when I went to chi gong earlier and also started to understand the similarities of what I sense and what I experienced.

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2015-03-07 14:25:30

Afrim, what you are  describing sounds to me like the result of echo location, not chi. Chi in chinese isn't specific to life force, it simply means energy, but the way kenzon yeo defined it is more popular understanding of the word. All those experiences you've had, with being able to tell when people are near and when cars are close without hearing them, are part of the process... and is actually not a feeling, but something you can hear, because of sound waves and their movement patterns. As for my own personal experience with chi... I haven't had any. Partially because I haven't ever experienced it so don't believe in it, though I'm open to the idea.. but also in part due to being a Christian, I have no need for ieas such as Chi, though again that doesn't mean I hate it. Spirits though... are most certainly another discussion, and things to be very, very careful with when dealing with them. In fact, I would say the best solution is to avoid them altogether... and I definitely believe those exist, both in my own limitted experience, and things I've heard from others. Certainly an interesting discussion!

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2015-03-07 15:22:50

@assault, that explains it. Sorry for my misconception..maybe?
Also you might say it isn't chi, but I say it is: directly quoted from Afrim's post:

afrim wrote:

For example, I can feel a person when getting closer; I think other do feel it as well, but I can feel it when they are not so close. I feel like a “Shadow” coming closer and closer untill I speek  to him or her. I don’t hear that person walking, no, I don’t feel him or her, but I feel it coming...

So he didn't hear the sounds. I say this is sorta like how we could feel presences near us. Its OK though if you don't believe it;like I said, I'm just wanting for opinion and or advices in this topic.

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2015-03-07 15:32:23

The only reason I say it isn't Chi is because I can do the same... and I've taken worshops on the subject, and this is how echolocation works. It feels like an increased density in space, like a presence that you can all of a sudden just tell is there... and if Chi is a life force, that would imply it exists in inanimate objects or even empty space, which I'm not so sure about. I'm not criticizing anyone here, and am perfectly aware that not everyone holds my views on this subject. Just wanted to contribute a little to the discussion. smile Chi is definitely an interesting topic, especially as someone who has been into martial arts and the like since I was young, and especially being interested in arts like Aikido which have a lot to do with energy and life force as part of the grappling system. When I was younger, I used to sense things around me all the time; cars, people, empty doorways or spaces, fences, tree,s you name it... and had no idea what it was for the longest time until someone told me it was echolocation. Not that you have to make sounds to utilize it... which is why I can see some people theorizing that chi is the reason, which, for some, may indeed be it... and I don't doubt that if such a thing exists, it could definitely be used to enhance echolocation... though not to the extent shown in zatoichi and Daredevil movies. lol

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2015-03-07 16:03:15

lol definitely not those movies. They show it as though chi is something like mana in the games. What with those hadokens and kamehameha waves they do? Or even bending in Avatar? No, I'm not saying that it's fake; depends if you believe it or not. I didn't, but if you do that's OK too.
Ah, so maybe what Afrim does is really echolocation. But I do know I could, and believe that some oters could, feel chi like me.
Chi isn't life force like @assault said, rather its energy, so it does exist in inanimate objects if you believe it did. Though, I'm certain many people didn't due to religious backgrounds or science. I'll say though, that not all things could be explained via science. What, you heard the sound of the god (or spirits or whatever) and science said its just imagination and that human brains are complex? Or you went into trances and science just says its because of not enough sleep? Well of course if you believe in those its perfectly fine; I just don't want any scientific viewpoint in this subject since, if you take a science perspective, chi doesn't exist, neither does psychic energy or aura. The energy around an object is the heat energy or kinetic energy... bla bla bla. So yeah, opinions are always welcome, but please do try to refrain from using scientific viewpoints. This topic will still be opened to suggestions/advices/opinions/answers, and I will update with my own opinions on the matter regularly too if I got the time. Keep those opinions/advices coming!

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2015-03-07 16:14:47

Well, the thing is, chi as the term is used does refer specifically to the life force that Chinese and Asian mythology believes to exist. I was just saying that the actual Chinese word chi can mean many different things. Energy does exist, and what a lot of Asian martial arts refer to as Chi is normally due to kinetic energy and an understanding of opposing forces. I would not discourage science, and I think many religious people who do are incorrect... as science and faith, at least with Christianity, actually go together much better than they do trying to stand alone. And the problem with experiences as those that you mentioned is that there is no objective way to prove them... I don't disbelieve you, as I've had spiritual experiences myself, just none with chi. smile

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2015-03-07 17:40:36

I never did disbelieve science; I didn't say blood is something God create to sustain us; I say its a substance that transfers other substances in our body and we need it to stay alive because we need oxygen, all our cells do. I just don't want a scientific viewpoint because I already knew almost what scientists are about to say so I prefer another, non-scientific viewpoint. Like I said there are a lot of unexplainable things in the world. If you ever saw some mysterious things you'll know; yes, some are fake tricks (fake water-bending by using a small thin string with a cup hanging there, and the string being as thin as it is its almost invisible to most... or firebending simply by cloaking your hand in bubble and holding the fire...) but some are real (what, how did they survive on a bed with nails? Of course they could with tricks, but what if they aren't?). Those are unexplainable to most and definitely undoable by most normal people.
Spiritual experiences? I have those too, even those unrelated to chi. Like calming people simply by meditating (Well I tried spiritually reaching to them and so yeah), sensing spirits (again that might be because spirits are made of chi or they have some residue of chi on them), out of body experiences (no not really, just the feeling you got, it felt like your spirit is floating around without you actually dying), spiritual dreams (seeing my ancestors, gods, or even having a curse removed by god and feeling better the next day...) etc. So I do believe the ycompliment each other, just not completely. There isn't proof that this is real yet we experienced it. Similar to chi, it isn't proven whether it is real, but many did experience it and use it (heck, I went to chi gong together with a few others, the master was attempting to chi heal me, he said that we should see colours and feel warmth, one of the other person did and the others didn't, and I also did, god that intensity). And I do believe it works... only to an extent though;if it did fully my eyes would've completely healed rather than this. My family even said once that I might be able to see chi because I saw it when I was young. (or feel it rather)

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2015-03-07 18:48:19

@Asult_freak
As Kenzon mentioned, I didn’t hear the person walking, neither smelled perfume or any other clothing aroma. The person was approaching and approaching. I had my earphone put on, and Jaws was speaking as loud as I could hear it well. There was nothing to do with sounds or air.
Another thing I experience everyday, is when getting closer and closer the walls or large objects like houses or buildings, I can feel a blocked space. It feels like something is in front of my face, don’t know weather there’s any “Special cells” (sorry for the bad description) on my face. I try to prevent my ears from hearing by blocking both with my hands or by putting on headphones and listening to music, and I experience that feeling again. I go close to the door and do this. Yeah I tried it last night when this topic was posted. I felt the door or an object near my face I even walked around the house, and I could feel walls. I can’t say I saw them. I was not born blind. I fell on an accident when I was just one year and a half. Exactly it was 1997.
As about spirits, I don’t know weather I ever felt a spirit in my room, or somebody else was in the same room when I was alone there. Anyway, One night while I suddenly woke up, I heard like someone was running on my corridor, drawers being opened and closed quickly, doors as well. I’m sure about what I’m saying. I heard everything. I’m not crazy. To prove I was awake, I tried moving my hands, get up from the bed, and once I opened my room’s door, everything became calm. So I was hearing it, right?

2015-03-07 18:54:16

this is a very interesting discussion and I will add my oppinions too.
first I have to say that I had quite a few out of body experiences, I've learned how to induce them. i always feel chi when i meditate, usually after 5 or 10 minutes my whole body begins vibrating like a river of energy is flowing through me. this is a very intense sensation and it's nothing that can be explained through science. i do think that chi exists and I've proven it to myself and that's enough for me. I've never tried to control this energy but you just gave me something new to try next time when i will meditate. also I'm interested in what techniques do you guys use for meditating and controlling chi?
I also think that what afrim is talking about is echolocation. because i can do that too and i know what I'm talking about. afrim this can actually be improved by making a special click sound with your tongue, this will help you to identify more accurately the shape and the height of an object. sometimes i can even identify the composition of an object by how the sound reflects of it.

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2015-03-08 00:33:07

Hi nin.
When I meditate, which isn't often. I usually just listen to music relax whilst lying down, and aventually I will feel my hands but only my hands go tingly, then i can feel above my hands, and can move my spirit hands? in circle movements, so going over and over, like when you're swimming kind of.

Or, if I'm really lucky and having a good day, i get to have a nice ride on my bed. I mean it, the bed feeels like it's moving. Forward... back... up forward... down, back... and round and round too, it's quite awesome.

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2015-03-08 09:46:46

@afrim,
Maybe its like what Aaron said; spacial awareness.
@Nin, I just sit there silently, not caring the slightest for any noise around me, and after a while, I start to feel this vibrating heat? around me. I can't be sure since noone else felt this. But I'm quite sure when I pray (I mean read the mantras and all that stuff), I feel my chi gathers at one spot before expanding around me sorta.

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2015-03-08 13:06:14

I do have something similar, but not the same I believe. I can induce some electric current-like energy in my body. I haven't found any use for it till yet, but it's like...when you keep an arm in the same position for some time and it feels like needles? it's like that, just milder and not painful in the least. I can't describe it. I don't know about meditating, though I can feel it if I stay still for a long time, more if i'm lying down on a bed. It appears to generate between my neck and chest, though as I said I haven't found anything to use it for. I wouldn't believe this to be chi, because I can generate chi too as an invisible pressure between my hands. It's mre of a thin line than a ball. It's light and heat-I can't really describe it. I tried meditation etc years ago, but I just haven't researched more yet because of time constraints. Maybe I look into it when I complete exams this month.

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2015-03-10 10:03:37

well it might just be another form of chi or something, or maybe its another type of energy... Oh well, you never know. The universe is mysterious, eh?

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2015-03-10 23:36:24 (edited by blindncool 2015-03-10 23:45:04)

@Dhruv, The human body produces a mild electrical current; It is mild enough that you can't even feel it that often. Maybe what you're feeling is the electricity produced by your body? @Kenzon, Since I am a Christian and do not believe in chi, I'd like to think that's what you are feeling. As far as spirits go, I agree with assault_freak. They should be avoided at all cost; What may seem to be kind could really be the devil in disguise. When the fall of man occurred, something happened; We lost the ability to be spiritual beings, like God. Thus we do not understand what lies in the spiritual world, and can be easily deceived by the hostile spirits within. For those of you who disagree, I pray you are not deceived.

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2015-03-11 09:40:30

blindncool wrote:

Since I am a Christian and do not believe in chi, I'd like to think that's what you are feeling.

Uhm..just wondering is it a typo? I mean if you don't believe it how comes you'd think its what I'm feeling?
Hmm perhaps that's just that. Oh well, I hope druv won't lightning-bend and strike the world with aweful amounts of electricity? lol just joking.

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2015-03-11 12:04:20

aye, I will create lightning elementals and destroy the world with the wrath of which ye mortals hath never experienced. Beware!
Erm..I mean..

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