2005-07-11 23:02:45

hi

to all [particularly those that understand the consepts of programming]
I

started learning c++ using bloodshed's.net free compiler
how ever,I'm

having alot of problems with it,I can't compile anything yet,I dont know

just how it works
I mean,I'm subscribed to  the bloodsheds list,but people

there keep giving me advise but non of them seem to work.
is there someone

hear on the forum that knows about c++ that can help me?
or perhaps,I

started to get anoyed from the thing I can't compile with it,perhaps I

should learn vb insted?
what do you think
I really nead help on this

fokes
thanks
big y

2005-07-11 23:29:59

hey!
dude, you should learn vb. that's what i've started coding this

summer! i used to code in delphi but i had problems with jaws so there we

go

alter aeon character armagedoom

2005-07-12 01:29:44

That depends on what you are trying to do.  If you are doing windows GUI

apps like word processors and oer high level things VB is definitely easier

in my opinion.  HOwever if you are doing more computationally intense stuff

or simple things like console programs or games than go with C++  but I

think vb is a good starting point.  If you want to buy it the only version

you can get is vb.net which is pretty cool.  You should get started quicker

using that but if you are determined to use C++ I'm not stopping you (it's

pretty cool).

James

James

2005-07-12 03:38:15

Hi, I

think you should use Vb. I have Visual Studio 6.0. It has Visual Basic,

Visual C++ (which doesn't work with JAWS) and other things. I don't know

if you can get it now but what is Visual Basic .net?

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-07-12 13:09:47

hi

james,
so you say vb.net is easyer then c++ to learn?
and the things I'm

interested in programming is of cores firstly audio games[not simple

ones],like g m a stile games
but I nead to understand more for you ,so you

say vb.net is easyer but isn't c++ a better langwij?
cause alot of people

say it is
though I dont know about accessibility with vb.net
and every

game developer hear seems to use vb6,though I dont understand why,isn't vb6

very old?
thanks
big y

2005-07-12 16:41:22

Hi,
Yeah VB is easier, and if you use that more people can help you here

since no one uses C++ for audiogames except TDLgames. So I say go with VB,

if you're planning on developing Audiogames. And, Microsoft Visual C++ is

not accessible. I'm not sure if VB 6 is old, I have Visual studio is that

old?
Thanks.

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-07-12 20:36:01

Nothing needs to be accessible about VC++, all you need to do is edit code

and go in the menus or know the hotkeys to compile stuff.  There's nothing

special that needs scripts or anything.  You can also get the compiler for

free at msdn.microsoft.com and many other free compilers such as

bloodshed.net's dev-c++, where as you have to pay $100+ USD for vb.net

(since as far as I know you can't buy 6 anymore).  I too wonder why

audiogame guys use VB6... probably for it's ease.  If you are going to make

GMA style games I suggest you make simpler ones first so yu know what you

are doing unless you know some basic 3d physics and how to position

sounds.

James

2005-07-12 21:21:03

So

what are you using James, VB or C++ and if C++ what compiler?

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-07-13 02:14:05

For now I am using Visual C++.  Like I said you can get the same compiler

that comes with VC++.net free, only thing is it doesn't come with the fancy

easier-to-understand ide to facilitate all your project stuff.  If you want

taht kind of thing Dev-c++ would probably be good.  You can also get the

Borland compiler somewhere.  If you are going to do C++ I suggest using SDL

(libsdl.org) and SDL_Mixer (which can be found under Libraries of the sdl

page) because they simplify a lot of the stuff you have to do under windows

or any operating system that is really not necessary to write out if you're

just doing a game.

James

2005-07-13 03:11:17

I'm

going with VB.

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-07-13 06:28:55

actually, the language of vb is very easy to understand. for example, when

you say: x.setCurrentPosition 0, what do you understand from it? yes, it's

very understandable. it means set the position of the verriable "x" to 0.

(beginning of file). and don't think that it's easy, the hard thing is

that c++ or vb .net, have shortcut things. i mean that the program writer

can do the thing by 2 lines of codes. but in vb 6, you have to make new

things that can do it. even best vb program writers, sometimes can't do a

thing, but a beginner, can do it. well, it depends on the person that wants

to learn. maybe, your game would be 100 lines in vb .net, but in vb 6 it's

1800 or such. because you made new things. it doesn't exist!
parham

doostdar, mp-soft, www.mp-soft.tk

2005-07-13 11:53:45

hi

james,
I didn't quite understand you,you sed you are using visual

c++?
what is it,does it uses c++ for code writing or vb
and I all ready

use  bloodshed's dev-c++
but I dont know how to make it accessible, I

mean,you can't really navigate in the ide propperly with out any

skript
but if you know a way to help me with it[I'm using jaws5],I'll be

happy to know
also,what is sdl and sdl mix,are they compilers?
and you sed

I can get the vb6 compiler for free?, that means I dont have to pay for

getting vb?
I thot it was something like 95 dollars or something
please

help me
big y
the king

2005-07-13 20:13:29

No you can get C++ compilers for free, VB you do have to pay for with the

IDE.  You can't get vb6 anymore (I don't think it's supported) and I

don't know how much jaws supports .net but it must since other developers

use it.

Just go with VB

James

2005-07-13 21:24:56

hi

james,
what is visual c++,is it another langwij?,that name confuses me,is

it visual basic or c++
or is it a mix of them both
and about vb.net,the

only developer I know that uses it is munawar,other developers like james

north,dan z and justin all use vb6
so what is visuall c++,and what is

stl,is it a helpfull tule or another langwij?
thanks
p.s do you have

skype
thanks
big y
the king

2005-07-13 22:29:47

We

use Visual C++.

2005-07-13 23:13:44

Hi,
Visual C++ is another language, C++. Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 is a

compiler but like James said you can get other free compilers. As for Stl, I

never heard of it. I think it is like DirectX from what I understand from

another post. I need to find some good VB tutorials first so I can start

writing games.
Thanks.

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-07-14 00:32:22

Visual C++ is not another langauge; it's the name for Microsoft's

compiler/ide.

James

James

2005-07-15 01:38:53

hi

james,
so if I want to use visual c++ what lang do I have to know?
c++?,or

vb?
and if it's not another lang,than why there are lots of tutoryals on

it in"blindprogramming.com"?
thanks
big y
the king

2005-07-16 20:13:37

Hello,
If you're looking into game-development, VB is probably you're

best bet, specifically VB.NET. VB6 is outdated and does not encourage good

programming-practice. VB.NET improves on this greatly and it is simply more

flexible. I won't get into the jargon involved owing to the fact that

you're still starting out but you can get VB.NET Standard 2003 edition

(which does everything the average developer wants) from amazon.com. I do

use VB.NET and have coded Treasure Hunt 4.20 and above in it. The GMA game

engine is coded in VB6 but like it has been said many times in earlier posts

to this thread, VB6 is unsupported. The newest generation is .NET. There is

an excellent book called "Learning Visual BASIC.NET" which you might want to

look into if you do purchase VB.NET. Bookshare.org does have it for

download.
Regards,
Munawar

2005-07-16 23:36:36

Hi,
So is Vb 6 andVb.net different languages or just different programs?

Regards,
Mike
Co-Founder, RS Games
www.rsgames.org

2005-07-17 22:53:58

hi

mike,
no,they are not diferent langiwjs,of coress they are diferent

programs
but there are lots of updates in regard to the langwij,like you'd

see a code ritten in c++ and in c#.net,you'd see a diferens in the code,but

the langwij is very much simular
thanks
big y